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Steel_Samurai 
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,14:58 |
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Last night, on AIM, a friend tells me that this girl that has been a thorn in our collective side is back and is trying to 'bring him closer to God'. It seems that, in an attempt to take her own life, she found God instead (cliche anyone?).
Anyways, she starts going on and on about whether or not my friend really knows God, blah, blah, blah it's the same kinda story you hear from any other tele-evangelist.
She goes on and on for some time recycling the same spiel, acting if he was of the Godless persuasion (which he isn't) all the while, she's just proving more and more that she's become a brainwashed clone of commercial christianity. Is it just me or is the Christian faith the most advertised religion??? You've never seen the Shinto Network or The 700 Club: Bhuddist Edition because they don't care about advertising as much as christians do. Until recently I was a firm believer in christianity as a religion, not as an organization. My girlfriend mentioned to me about a month ago that she didn't believe in God anymore and I accept that. Unlike the brainwashed child from the paragraph above, I didn't try and push my religion on her, I accepted it. After that, I really wasn't too terribly comfortable believeing in a religion that tells me that my girlfriend is gonna burn for eternity. So I questioned my own faith and realized that I had becomed disillusioned long ago, but failed to realize it. Considering my own faith incorporated other aspects of other religions, I had something to fall back on.
I'm just gonna stick to karma and reincarnation 
Pushing religion on people is a dangerous game...
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joelthegreat
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,15:23 |
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| Quote (Steel_Samurai @ 11 July 2002,08:58) | | I didn't try and push my religion on her, I accepted it. |
That's good, I hate religous pushers...
I am a Christian but I will not force it on others...to each their own. But don't let bible thumpers give you bad thoughts about the religion. The tv pastors and such, I beleive, have it wrong, and are not helping much with the religion. Anyways....I lost my train of thought and i had something else to say...hmmm.
| Quote | | Pushing religion on people is a dangerous game... |
SO is pushing Anvil's on people! HA HA...? 
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Wolfguard
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,15:30 |
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i never knew god was lost...
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Steel_Samurai
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,15:53 |
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It's not that I have anything against Christianity. What I have a problem is the way in which it's packaged and mass-marketed these days.
I guess what I'm trying to convey is that the modern day Christian faith in general (exceptions are made) is trying to do what the catholic bishops did in the middle ages and convince the public that the only to get to heaven and escape hell is to read the bible cover to cover numerous times, go to church twice a week without failure, and (remember, generally) throw their religion on all those around them, regardless of what they feel and believe. Any discretion on any of these points and you're not a 'true' christian. I didn't go to church very often, but I prayed every night. I respected God (note: I still do) and that, IMO, was what people needed to focus on rather than the church organization, as most do.
It needs less flashy lights and more focus on the principles of the religion itself.
Granted, there are many who do that, but they're outnumbered by the Christian Corporate Machine
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Crafty Butcher
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,16:11 |
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religion sucks. faith is powerful. God is whoever i decide he is. as for spanners, look around, there are thousands. the ideas that televangelism espouses are such a terrible mix of the populist and fundamentalist theology that it is very easy to explain someone who's really trying it on, what a bunch of crap they believe and what a cobbled together mix of pagan superstition a lot of christianity is (say, all you shepherds on the hill, minding your flocks, being appeared to by angels, and bringing gifts to 'the king'. are you the same guys from the day Mithras was born roughly 1000 yrs earlier? geez, what a coincidence) i don't have an issue with christianity per se. i have a problem with dogma and the control that is exerted through dogma. religion relies on dogma. faith does not.
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demonk
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,16:22 |
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Faith = good. Sometimes it is the only thing that can make life livable.
Religion = bad. This is what happens when a bunch of people get together and say that their "common" faith is the best one out there. I say "common" because it isn't possible for everyone, even in a small group, to have the exact same faith. It always varies slightly from person to person because of life experiences, intelligence, family background, geographic location, etc.
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Necromancer
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,23:05 |
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lifes a bit of a fucked up thing really either way you're either sent to oblivion when you die aka athiesm or you live forever which is something i couldnt handle because can you try to imagine never EVER dieing you'd run ou of stuff to do.
and seeing as the universe will end no matter what buddism's reincarnation is pretty much fucked as well.
the only thing i've managed to logically figure out is that possibly the universe recollapses and starts again which isnt a probem because time simply restarts.
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Wiley
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,23:18 |
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| Quote (Necromancer @ 11 July 2002,15:05) | | the only thing i've managed to logically figure out is that possibly the universe recollapses and starts again which isnt a probem because time simply restarts. |
Hence the Buddhist view of reincarnation.
Basically, matter cannot be created or destroyed so everything will exist again ...the only way to avoid having to live again and again is to transend the physical world and become enlightened. Your concience moves on while the physical body is left with the rest of the physical world to be broken down and rebuild for eternity.
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demonk
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,23:35 |
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Personally, I don't want to live forever. It would get boring after the first few thousand years. I know this much, the human psycie was not ment to live for more than 80-100 years. You go beyond that and things get weird. What I would prefer is to be able to live as pure thought, but mortal thought (ie, when I'm all done living, I just stop existing). That way, I could go anywhere in the universe. If I wanted to see some cool cosmic event, I could slow my thinking and let time go by me at a faster pace. Wouldn't it be cool to watch the rise and fall of an entire civilation in 15 minutes? Anyway, in the end, if the universe doesn't collapse and start over again, it will just become one big, empty, dead place. I think I read that some scientists had conclused that 70% of the universe is dark matter, so we won't collapse but keep expanding.
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jul. 11 2002,23:42 |
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I have no problem with Christians in general, but I definately agree that there are a lot of Christian groups out there that are god damn obnoxious.
Buddhism doesn't need any advertising. It sells itself. The really neat thing about it is that Buddhist philosophy and practices can easily contribute to any religion.
Buddhism has all kinds of philosophical texts. But it can still be summed up in three words: "Calm down. Think."
Plus it has the coolest figurehead of any religion:
Stoked!
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