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BlackFlag 
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This is not made up. Click the links on this page to BBC news articles, etc.
Consider the fact that we've had the technology for a LONG time to make electric cars/truck/whatever, and we have enough nuclear material to run the world on nuclear energy (the only viable source of clean energy) for hundreds of years.
Why are we still burning fossil fuels? Because the guys who sit around in dark rooms controling the world from their cloud of cigerette smoke (a la X-Files) are afraid of change.
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| Quote (BlackFlag @ 09 Mar. 2002,16:00) | Consider the fact that we've had the technology for a LONG time to make electric cars/truck/whatever, and we have enough nuclear material to run the world on nuclear energy (the only viable source of clean energy) for hundreds of years.
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Because it's cheaper!!
Yes we have electric cars, but they won't dominate the freeways because people don't buy the electric cars in enough numbers to make them profitable for car companies to produce more of them. They take a lot more out of the R&D budget to create then it would take to produce basically the same engine as was made last year and the year before. Other fuels are being looked at as well. BMW now has a fleet (ok twelve in all) of Hydrogen powered cars ...again at too much cost to produce in bulk. And don't forget the natural gas powered vehicles that are apparently bought only by California's local and state government. They are cleaner burning, but don't have to public acceptance because you can't fill them up at any corner filling station. And as far power plants go there is a heck of a lot more red tape and disposal/on-site storage costs associated with nuclear power then a conventional gas or coal type plant. As with everything in life it comes down to profitability. It's not a conspiracy. The proof being that if you could make an electric car cheap enough to turn a profit and there was enough demand to provide a solid customer base then why would you bow down to some government supported plot to help the oil cartel? You really wouldn't. You would sell your electric car and live the good life. So why doesn't GM or Ford do that? Oh, I see ...because they are in on the conspiracy. Well what about the hundreds of other car companies out there? Why aren't they jumping on board this gravy train? Obviously there's not enough money in it ...not even for the little guys trying to make a name for themselves who really don't have much to loose. (Maybe Daewoo should think about going electric ...they really have nothing to loose).
Ah what difference does it make ...in two years we will all be riding Segway scooter around anyway. 
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Kinda reminds me of a documentary I saw a while ago about "free energy" - basically showcasing devices that run at over 100% efficiency (it was unknown how they did this).
One such device, I remember, was a special voltameter which split water into hydrogen and oxygen using less energy than was released by the subsequent burning of the released hydrogen.
The inventor of the device retrofitted a vehicle to use the technology for power (adapting the engine to burn the hydrogen and then using his special voltameter to split the resultant water so it could be burnt again) and he was able to run around in it for ages and still not need to refuel the thing.
Of course the energy must be coming from somewhere (law of energy conservation and all) but noone knows where.
Edit: Found a transcript of that documentary, here if you're interested.
Edited by DuSTman on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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BlackFlag
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Fossil fuels are not cheaper than nuclear energy. Electric powered cars could be designed to let you recharge them from home. It is a conspiricy. The government is run by big buisness. Name a buisness bigger than petrolium.
Obviously you didn't click the link, otherwise you'd know what i was getting at, so let me summarize what's going on:
The war in afghanastan was manufactured by the US government. The purpose of this was to get rid of the Talabain, (which was thought to be an unstable presence in the region) so that they could go ahead with plans to build an oil pipeline in the area. This pipeline needs to be built to compete with one china had been planning since 1997.
Your fellow americans are fighting for bullshit.
The planes that crashed into the WTC towers were not under the control of hijackers, but were remotely pioleted from the ground, probably by renegade Air Force personel collaborating with the unknown faction responsible for this whole mess. (the technology for remotely piloting airplanes in case of circumstances where the pilot was unable to was pionered in the 60's. every commercial airliner in america can be controled thusly, if you know the right frequencies and codes. Using this system, it is possible to lock out radio transmissions, keep distress calls/becons from being transmitted, alter the IFF code, etc.)
This sounds crazy, but consider this: every airliner has 4 emergency buttons the pilot can press in case of a hijacking. They are consealed in strategic locations, as to make them easy to covertly activate even when in the presence of armed assailants. None of these buttons were pressed on any of the 4 airplanes alledgedly hijacked sept 11th.
Consider this: 2 days after the 'attack', the passport of one of the alledged hijackers was found in the rubble of the WTC. At this point, 20,000 tons of debris had been searched/sifted..... out of a total of 1.4 million tons. Luck? Remember the fireball explotion, and the resulting fire that was so hot it melted the steel beams that held the building up? A passport (paper and plastic) survived that?!?! This shit has less credibility than the JFK assasination.
consider the fact that America was planning to attack afghanastan EVEN BEFORE THE WTC ATTACKS!!!!!
Think america would never do somthing like this?
What about pearl harbor? We let the Japs bomb the fuck out of us. Might as well have been us dropping the bombs.
What about Desert Storm? Another example of fighting for the oil companies.
What about Somolia? Another made for tv war to detract attention away from political scandals a la "wag the dog".
What about every other sick twisted fucked up thing the government has done to its own people, and has only recently admitted to?
I swear, this shit has really shaken what little confidence i had left in america. I though the age of big brother overtly fucking with the world and covering it up was over. I thought that shit was over after Iran-Contra........... I was wrong. This is really fucked.
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nuclear energy (the only viable source of clean energy)
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I guess dumping hundreds of millions of tons of carbon dioxide+carbon monoxide+soot+trace amounts of poisenous compounds is cleaner than a few hundred pounds of nuclear waste (wich by the way, can be re-used, and is used to power som satelites).
I've seen some evidence put forward to suggest that fear-mongering groups such as "clean air&water" are funded by big oil. Christ, american's are idiots. We'll microwave our food, but we're afraid of irradiating it with nuclear radiation in order to kill bacteria? Nuclear irradation of food could end world hunger by keeping food from going bad. Millions have to starve so a few stupid fucking WASPs can feel safe. Stupid fuckwads.
The final word on why nuclear energy is better than fossil fuels: You can put a few hundred tons of depleted uranium on a rocket, and launch it into the sun. Can you do that with a few million cubic feet of carbon monoxide and soot?
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Quote by Blackflag: You can put a few hundred tons of depleted uranium on a rocket, and launch it into the sun. Can you do that with a few million cubic feet of carbon monoxide and soot?
That would solve the problem of nuclear waste, however, if the rocket EVER malfunctioned in a way where it crashes or explodes, all of those radioactive isotopes are going to be spread around the atmosphere, increasing cancer rates worldwide. In order to SAFELY send radioactive material into the sun, we need Superman.
Nuclear energy may look good on paper, but once you use up those heavy elements, they leave behind shit that's REALLY hard to get rid of.
Edit: Being away from detnet for a year, I didn't know that they changed the quotes. I just quoted Blackflag's ENTIRE POST! Oh well, live and learn...
Edited by Bozeman on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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| Quote (Bozeman @ 10 Mar. 2002,04:02) | | ... we need Superman. |
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| Quote (BlackFlag @ 09 Mar. 2002,22:31) | | The government is run by big buisness. Name a buisness bigger than petrolium. |
Shit, Wal-Mart is bigger then GM, Ford, Chrysler, Shell, BP, Texaco & Chevron and most others who stand to gain from the plot to control sources of alternate energy. I think we are looking in the wrong place! The WCT attack may be a plot to sell more goods at discounted prices ...think about it. Where do people drive their fossil fueled cars? To the store! And the biggest retail outlet is Wal-Mart ...they have everything to gain.
| Quote | | The planes that crashed into the WTC towers were not under the control of hijackers, but were remotely piloted from the ground, probably by renegade Air Force personnel collaborating with the unknown faction responsible for this whole mess. (the technology for remotely piloting airplanes in case of circumstances where the pilot was unable to was pioneered in the 60's. every commercial airliner in America can be controlled thusly, if you know the right frequencies and codes. Using this system, it is possible to lock out radio transmissions, keep distress calls/bacons from being transmitted, alter the IFF code, etc.) |
Ok, no more X-Files for you. I'm sure the families who called their loved ones via cell phones from the doomed planes were plants by the CIA right? And I've never heard of such remote control devices existing on commercial airplanes. I do not doubt the existence of the technology (I've seen some military drones in action) but I do not believe that every commercial plane is equipped with such a system of remote control. You could use the plane's existing guidance system to fly it off course, but a standard guidance system would not make the dramatic right angle turns we saw the planes make. (Any pilots out there please weigh in on this, or somebody produce some valid documentation.) And why would the US target the WTC? Something that most Americans can't understand the true financial importance of? And would you crash a plane into military headquarters if you were planning to start a war? That's just not common sense. I'm pretty sure that you are going to need military leaders when the war starts right? If you are trying to draw support for a war, why not just crash the planes into the Whitehouse (after making sure it is empty) or the Washington Monument, Lincoln Memorial, Statue of Liberty, St. Louis Arch or the home of Brad Pitt / Jennifer Anniston? That would make people cry out for blood and not take money out of the system that we are going to need when the war starts.
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Well here is something that i thought would never pass my lips.
I agree with BF.
Now let that sink in a minute folks.
Ok, things i have clippings of from the 70s
A man in florida built a fuel system for a 71 caddy. Old V8 500 cid engin. This fuel system was giving the car 75MPG in 1973. This guy was in all the papers and then just shut up. He moved to a Multi Million dollar estate. The money trail lead to mobil oil who bought the system and the guys scilence for 110 million dollars. He will not talk to anyone about this and denies everything.
There are on file about 150 (last count in 99) patents for high capacity high discharge batteries. Most of these patents are owned by one OIL COMPANY or another. Why would an oil company need battery patents?
there are 16 patents (again in 99) for 95%+ efficent dc motors that are also owned by OIL COMPANIES.
Most of the money dumped into anti nuke propoganda comes from the fossil fuel people. (coal, oil, gas)
I have seen run with my own eyes an electric car designed by a MIT student that had a range of 500 miles in a mid sized car. This person now works for exxon making about 7 figures a year and will only say "What car?" when asked about his project.
Nuke Fussion funding was killed in the senate due to lack of intrest. When did we loose intrest in energy from seawater?
The little fucker may be anoying at times but he is right on here. Good job on this topic guy. You just went up a couple of notches in my book.
Then you went around the bend by posting the rest of this...
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| Quote | | The planes that crashed into the WTC towers were not under the control of hijackers, but were remotely pioleted from the ground, probably by renegade Air Force personel |
Ok, this is just crap. We knew the plains were hijacked. we thought they were heading for a landing strip so they could make demands. Just like every other hijacking in history. Yes, the circuits for remote control of aircraft are in place but the system to do it is not built yet. these systems are disconected on the aircraft and would take a major retrofit to make them active. It would of been easier for the idiots to activate this on aircraft during maintance and take control of the planes that way then what they did. Well, we hoped it would be easier.
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This is true. These plans were in place. One of the first things bush did was draw up these plans. In the 8 years of hillarys rule not a damm thing was done to these fucknuggets and bush was not going to make the same mistake. If hillary had done this when she was incharge we would not have to do it now. These plans were drawn up because of things like Embasy bombings in africa and the USS Cole.
Just like we have plans for using nukes on russia and the middle east. CNN and the rest have been saying this all weekend like its a new thing. Guys, we have a nuke plan for everything. Hell, even panama had one but it was pretty much an end of the world story and was just this side of aliens landing and helping out panama. Get over it. We have nukes and we have plans to use them. Having and using are 2 different things.
| Quote | What about pearl harbor? We let the Japs bomb the fuck out of us. Might as well have been us dropping the bombs.
What about Desert Storm? Another example of fighting for the oil companies.
What about Somolia? Another made for tv war to detract attention away from political scandals a la "wag the dog".
What about every other sick twisted fucked up thing the government has done to its own people, and has only recently admitted to?
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Pearl Harbor was bad but the Japs were playing nice and talking peace right up till sunday morning. We had warnings but thought they were still playing nice.
Desert storm was not a war for oil. It was to prevent the 4th largest army in the world from taking over other sovern nations.
Somolia was...ok, you got me there, still not sure why we were there.
As for the rest of the sick twisted stuff the goverment has done to us try this out for a fear factor. These are just things there are STILL RECORDS OF. Things that did not go into the shreader... Here is another good one. 90% of all consparacy crap comes from and is fed by the goverment just as a bit of misdirection. 
So, basicly, its worse than you thought.
Again, good posts guy. Keep up the good work.
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I agree with wolfy and bf here, to a degree. the only problem is that everytime this comes into a discussion (oil companies buying super l33t motor designs) is that people keep making it sound as if they just chuck the stuff out the window. That's illogical.
The companies know that the fossil fuels are gonna run out. they're waiting for them to. it's simply that. once they're gone, oh wow. look at that. these oil companies are releasing these awsome motors that run on water. They're simply waiting for the right moment to change their whole operation from oil to 95%+ efficency motors. You're right though, they should be getting to do this well before we run out, meaning now.
in otherwords... I'm a big fan of conspiracy theories to, but only if they're LOGICAL and end in something that makes sense other then "ALIENS ARE CONTROLING THE PRESIDENT AND THEY'RE RUNNING OUR ENERGY SUPPLIES DOWN SO THEY CAN TAKE OVER THE WORLD!" stuff. Come on guys, we're a smart bunch of idiots. we could atleast figure out that although the oil companies ARE buying up patents that could put them out of business they're not being complete republicans about it and never plan on using it. oh, wow. look at that. two birds with one insult stone there
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The point is they are sitting on tech that would loosen their strangle hold on the economy.
Nuke power and electric cars would put them out of business or hurt them so bad that they would no longer be able to afford the ivory back scratchers.
No more rag heads saying "the price of oil is dropping and the 15th prince needs a new car, cut production to raise prices again".
No more summer time gas hikes.
A lot less polution from oil fired cars and power plants.
Less global warming/green house effect
We get to see snow again in philly in 10 years. 
The point is the auto manufactures should have the tech right now so we can have effective non poluting transport and we need to start building nuke plants again.
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