Don't bother trying to resist. You WILL be the consumerist we want you to be! Don't even bother trying, there's nothing you can do to prevent it! You will pay for everything. If you want to relax and enjoy ANYTHING, you BETTER WELL EXPECT TO PAY FOR IT. PAY A LOT. You do not deserve to have anything for free, and you do not deserve to have any of your own money.

Why? Because a band who used to be about rebellion against the mainstream, and someone who claimed to be a gangsta, were afraid that they wouldn't have enough money to support their fucking DRUG HABITS, or SHOVE UP THEIR ASS, or whatever the fuck they do with all the fucking cash they get, so they decided to shut down what could, concievably be, one of the greatest things to ever happen to music.

Now, what they need to do is take away everyone's guitars. Because hey, what if somebody plays a riff from a Metallica song? By God, the band won't be getting paid! We've gotta break up every single garage band out there, before Metallica loses anymore FUCKING money.

In fact, they should just start selling CDs with no music on them. That way, no one can copy any of their music in any way shape or form!

What the motherfuck ever happened to "Never More Than Five Dollars", god dammit!

Take them out back and put them to sleep before they do any more damage. And honestly, after this, who DOESN'T think Dre deserves a bullet hole to the skull? Yeah, you're a real fucking gangsta. Because you can't truly be a hardcore nigga unless you're a MONEY GRUBBING ASSHOLE.

Actually, forget it, just end MY life so I don't have to hear about anything this stupid ever again.

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Anyways, I didn't mean it, really. I wanna save as many bullets as possible for Eminem.

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But where is Gamera?

first of all, we must agree that they have all sold out. i believe that fact is pretty much universal to people who step back and look at the situation. so they sell out to get a lot of money. fine, i don't have a problem with that.

along comes napster. it gives their music away for free. it's copyright infringement. it' illegal. so is a lot of other stuff i do; but that's beside the point. so they shit their pants because they think they're going to lose money. they start the case, ignoring that their cd sales have gone UP since napster has been availible for download. they decide "fuck it, we're already rich, we don't need a free forum to spread our music and start a fan base. but we ARE protecting small bands that are trying to start up. really."

most of the bands that are involved don't have a lot of integrity that they say they are defending. "i've got a great idea. let's do almost a whole cd of remakes because we've totally run out of original ideas. yeah, great idea! we'll make a hell of a lot of money and not even have to write a song!"

dre and metallica decided to stir up some shit to create some publicity by taking a big company to court. they're stupid and naive if they think this is going to even be a small deterrant in our hunt for mp3z.

if its truly about the music, then you should be willing to support the bands by buying their music, and not complaining about them "selling out" or some shit. they gotta make some money, or they cant afford to do it. and just because a band is already rich is no reason to hold a double standard.

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You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The
trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.

And I don't think Metallica has sold out. There are still many people out there that likes their music and SPENDING MONEY on their new cd's. Personally I think it has lots of good content, but it's all a question about taste. And if you don't think that Metallicas' music is good, why the hell are you downloading it then. That's fuckin' dumb.

And remember, Napster was actually judged buy the law-guys and not buy Metallica. Metallica just spoke their case.

What would you do if you had 10000$ of coins on a table and someone you didn't know came and took a handfull. I'd kick his ass. If he asked me I'd probably give him something, but the fact that he stole it would piss me off. It's MY money and I'M gonna do with it what I want.

And they aren't screwing their fans by suing Napster. If you were a fan, then you'd have bought the music. Not stolen it.

[This message has been edited by Kolben (edited July 28, 2000).]

Growing up and natural progression is not 'selling out'. Get it right.

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You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The
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I don't have a problem with a band who's making music because they want to make music. If they're making money off that, then that's even better. But Metallica is just about greed now. They're not in it so people can listen to their music, they're in it so they can make money. Incredibly excessive amounts of money at that, dammit. They don't NEED more money, but they demand it. They want to make sure they get as much as they concievably could, and if that means calling their fans criminals, then hey, why not?

To those of you who said it: You're exactly right, I wouldn't want people stealing from me either. But it's all in the REASON. Their reason is that if people are stealing from them, they'll make a small percentage less. The entire sale of CDs will not plummet. The fact is, they're monetarily bloated and still want more.

I'm not going to rely on statistics, because they're often exaggerated, BUT I did read that people who use Napster actually end up buying more CDs. I'm not saying should trust or not trust that, because I have no assurance that it's true or untrue, but I figured it would at least be worth mentioning.

Sorry for being just plain angry earlier. I don't actually release much anger at one given point in time, so when I do it tends to be either A.) incoherent, B.) overly violent or C.) both.

And to cut anyone off who might try to use this argument: If I were in a band, and I made it big, I would probably be a dick too. The exact reason I don't intend to EVER try to make it in a band, because that would be the last thing I'd want to act like. (A greedy bitch, that is.)

Also, on a final note, I DO in fact disagree with people who would rather have a 2 gig MP3 collection than support their favorite band. I DON'T disagree with downloading a few songs if you don't intend to buy the CD. It's like they said in the Kid Rock thread: It's a good way of fighting back against an industry made up almost entirely of bands who only make one or two good songs, and then make a CD of crap.

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