There are definately a lot of drivers that need to be waaay more careful. In fact, it's scary how downright shitty a lot of drivers are... my friend knows this girl who drives unsafely fast everywhere she goes... but the scary part is that she is a terrible driver, and has terrible spatial-estimation abilities... she has completely wrecked 2 cars, but her "daddy and mommy" keep buying her brand new car after brand new car.. Jackasses...

Anyway, back to the issue at hand... cyclists need to understand their responsibilities on the road just as much as drivers do.

-FFox

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Originally posted by j0eSmith:
Err.. the road WAS made for cars. Bicycllists should really get their own lane or at least a wide shoulder. Some bikers are just damn stupid on the roads..

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Good point... the roads are there first and foremost for the motor vehicles. I don't know about the area where you people live, but in my area, there are quite a lot of bike and pedestrian paths, reducing the need to ride bikes down the roads.

-FFox

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"A christian, an anarchist-slash-prostitute, figures out the true meaning of freedom. Not freedom like America, freedom like a shopping cart."
-NOFX

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Originally posted by Firefox:
in my area, there are quite a lot of bike and pedestrian paths, reducing the need to ride bikes down the roads.

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You are so lucky. Here in Pittsburgh there are numerous signs about "sharing the road". I ride a lot in the city because I'm too poor to afford a car and I use it to get t class and work. A lot of car drivers insist on passing me in dangerous situations. Mind you that I do my best to keep up with traffic and will take a lane for myself.

I also got a cyclists manual from the city so I know my rights. Though the one thing that pisses me off is a pedestrian that either doesn't notice or pretends not to notice me. I swear I need an air horn or something.

Anyway, I'll grant that some people on their bikes can be downright rude, obnoxious, and dangerous. But those of us who follow the traffic rules and try to be courteous have a harder time with drivers. I would love to see more dedicated lanes around here.

I've said my piece, on with the discussion!

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Originally posted by starduck:
Cars, they think that the road was made for them or something.

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Err.. the road WAS made for cars. Bicycllists should really get their own lane or at least a wide shoulder. Some bikers are just damn stupid on the roads..

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Originally posted by rig_hater:
yah, it's nice that there are dedicated routes in some places, but until cities start adding a special bike lane to every major street, the problem will continue. Governments are always complaining about pollution and how we should try to preserve our environment, yet they alienate cyclists by not giving them a safe place to ride their bikes. It's so lame!!

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LoL you expected any different from the GOVERMENT? Common, I think its in their job description ot be hipocritical.

I live in a fairly rural area which means two lane highways and roads with usually pretty small shoulders and definatly no pedestrian walkways etc.. (we do have some sidewalks though! oooh) I've seen bikers going straight down the centerline of a 90km/h road just after a blind corner, just because they were near the town they lived in and the roads were fairly quiet that day. Just about ALL the bikers here have no idea about the traffic regs, they just cut into intersections, down sidewalks and streets its pretty damn frustration when your trying to get by them in a 3/4ton pickup.