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Sithiee 
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,18:29 |
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personally i find it is the exact opposite of what the media says...more often people with mroe violent tendencies play less violent games, and vice versa. when you play violent video games, you take out your anger on the game, and then your not gonna go shoot people. when you play games like tetris, you dont really release any anger, and thusly its more often people like this who go beat up little kids and whatnot.there are also studies that back up what i just said. theres also some idiotic military dude who says that us playing violent video games is preparation for using real weapons. i have lots of proof against this. i play lots of video games, id say im pretty good at them, at least better than average. i joined the rifle club last year at my school, and i was the worst person on the team. not like bad, but i mean there was one time when i didnt hit any of the targets at all. on the flipside, all the best people who are on the team are relativly not too good at computer games, save one or two people. the media is dumb and is ruining things for the rest of us.
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That "military guy" is Colonel Grossman. I heard what he said about video games, and although I appreciate his concern for the good upbringing of the world's children, I think he is a moron.I can't stand hearing people say that games like Doom or Quake teach kids to be calculated, cold-blooded killers, or well trained killing machines. Give me a freakin' break. Do you think that if you ran around shooting demons in DOOM for a few hours you would be able to pick up a Colt M1 Carbine and be at all effective in using it?? Since when was clicking a freakin' mouse the exact same as firing an assault rifle? I've played first person shooters since I was like 13, and I'm really not a violent person. Once, when I was out at my cousins' farm, we went to a target range for something to do. I was terrible- I tried shooting a British made 303 rifle, and my accuracy was terrible. I couldn't even hit the target unless I was either lying down or laying the gun on an aiming support. Yet I had played hours and hours of violent games... hmm, interesting. If ANYTHING, the only thing that these games really teach well is teamwork and co-operation. I know that playing a game of Counterstrike with a good group of people is a great excersise in co-operating, and learning to work together. So is teamwork now a bannable offence?? Should we ban organized sports for kids because they teach them to work together, and some day they may use those skills to work together as a team as they shoot hundreds of people?? Give me a freakin' break. Shudder.  -FFox
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I've taken some sociology courses, philosophy courses, and science courses at university. So I've received exposure to both sides of the 'nature-nurture' debate. And I'm firmly convinced that nature and nurture interact with one another to determine who we are. So I disagree with anyone who emphatically takes a side on this issue. I agree with you Chrissy, that biological determinism is often used as a copout to excuse bad behaviour; this is an abuse of science. However, I disagree with your extremist empiricism. Ignoring the role that nature plays in forming who we are is a path fraught with peril; it's analgous to ignoring the lessons of history. How a biological determinist and an empiricist would argue over history:
BD: "History is doomed to repeat itself. You'd better learn to accept war, famine and suffering."
Em: "Bah history! Why do you always dwell on history? We need to deal with today!" Both stances have an element of truth to them, both are wrong. Yes, it's true we aren't only our genes, and using 'nature' to excuse ourselves for behaving violently is wrong. But to ignore nature is to set ourselves up for a fall, and I don't see what's gained by blinding ourselves. Ah well. I doubt I've convinced you. The nature-nurture debate is an old one and I've never seen any of its participants compromise. We're probably going to end up agreeing to disagree. --------------------- That said, I will now take the side of the devil's advocate (and I'm sure I'm gonna get lynched for it):
With respect to violent games, yeah I think they promote violence, but only minimally. I disagree with the argument that violent videogames are cathartic. I've read some sociological and psychological studies on videogame violence that suggest just the opposite (although I'll admit the studies weren't that conclusive). I do think, that on their own, such games lack the power to transform adolescent males into killers. However, I think the sum total of violent influences in the media (and this includes violent video games) has had a negative impact. Make of that what you will. Btw, I used to be an afficianado of Doom, Quake, and QII (Still am to a certain extent). So I am aware of what the experience is like. I've felt the rush of taking the lead in frag counts and the anguish of getting railed 20x in a row... Heh. Okay. So I've put myself up against the wall and everybody hates me now. You guys can open fire at will.  [This message has been edited by The_Hiro (edited June 24, 2000).]
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Being a violent video game addict, I am drawn to the sick killing and pain that is so easily and heartlessly applied to enemies of the good player...yet i do see some connection...or at least from the games to the world (more accurately the world to the games). I am surprised there aren't any Rape or Molestation games on the market (I’m probably just unaware of them). Violence is defiantly a part of life in general, and it seems that if society shields their children from it entirely, the awe and power of it grows to a point where children love it. Sex is very similar, or at least the sexual happenings of individuals i know: The less open their parents were about sex, the more curious and unsafe they eventually were. This is generally because without some adult influence, a child simply receives input from television and his peers, which are, in the most truthful of terms, usually inaccurate. I think that a parent should have to give his/her child consent to play video games; its exactly the same as movie ratings. I don't know about you guys, but I have at least three images that I can recall from past movies that wont leave my head. I never want to see these things again, they make me sick, yet they are there and I can’t get rid of them. All three of the images are from my movie watching youth, in which I believe that I was very impressionable. A human mind remembers a lot more than people think; almost everything a person sees has some impact on him/her. So I can understand the 18+ idea as a recommendation, but not a law. Generally, I think children should be kept from some things until they are more developed and less susceptible. Now, at 17, I don't have problems with hearing “MOMOMONSTER KILL” as the thirteenth head jumps ten feet in air, but I still remember “The Fly” when we breaks that guys arm…damnation.------------------
"Around 2300, every square mile of the earth's landmass will have the population density of Manhattan at noon."
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Firefox
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Just to add a point, do you think that if the two guys who shot up Columbine had never played violent video games before, they would be completely different people? I think that the statement that a source of exposure can have an influence is true to a certain degree, but it is never a single influence. I am sure those kids had a lot of problems that stemmed from family troubles, troubles dealing with people, troubles using common sense over irrational action, etc. All these problems can not, and DO not, stem from a single source, I can assure you.-FFox
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