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Happyfish 
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,08:16 |
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Not a good idea for a thread. Generally ppl are split about 50/50 on this issue and it just starts crazy arguments and ppl start to hate each other. But, that said, a friend of mine once told me that he was pro-choice and then one day he sat down and thought about it. He came to the conclusion that if you make the decision to have sex, without proper birth control, then you should be able deal with the consequences. Abortion should not be an option. I tend to agree.
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,09:16 |
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So your solution is to limit the topics on Cr0's board? I mean, I couldn’t argue with Cr0's decision considering it's is his (decision and board), but why censor? If you do not want to talk about it, don’t reply. Do you have trouble not replying? Damnation, lets talk about censorship then! Why can't a person open a topic? In addition, to be able to down people's topics...Not everyone likes a topic; I’m sure some weirdo out there didn’t like the breast thread J , but why down it? You guys seem power hungry to me...how about you speak for yourself and not the entire community o.k.? I don’t think I’m creating a serious problem here, but if i am an Cr0 ends it, I cant argue. There are plenty of other boards, I’m just looking for input here because there seems to be a lot of young thinkers, whom I consider the most important. Seriously, lets not quarrel ok. ? I mean argue about the topic, but not being able to post it! I don’t want to waste anybody’s time so I wont MAKE you post anything ok?
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Hellraiser
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,11:05 |
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While I agree that it's not my body or my decision, where I come out is there are plenty of ways it could have been prevented in the first place. Man is the only creature on earth that kills its young even before gestation completes. Which is kind of a low standard for a creature with the highest intelligence and technology level. I believe personally that every human being on this planet has the right to live, and it is a real issue with a lot of people when a fetus becomes a human being. Some people support abortion but would never harm a baby that has been born. This doesn't make any sense to me: it has been shown that fetuses in most stages of pregnancy have as much brain activity as newborn babies, so technically they are as much alive as newborn babies are. I believe that once a person is pregnant they should keep the baby, but people should be more careful about getting pregnant in the first place. There is one surefire way not to get pregnant, and that's abstenence. In a way, old fashioned morals are healthy because if people followed them there wouldn't be this kind of a problem. People would be more responsible.One thing I have a big problem with is people who have more than one abortion. I should think that after the first time they would learn and not repeat the same mistakes again. One way that would in a way take care of this problem, although I'm not sure I'd support it because it does violate the mother's rights, would be to have it so that if you get an abortion they also do some sort of operation to eliminate the possibility of getting pregnant. I think this would make people think twice. The biggest thing I dislike about abortion aside from the moral issues of killing fetuses is that it takes away responsibility, and people do not have enough of that these days. Instead of thinking, "Should we do this? You may get pregnant." people think, "What the hell. You can always get an abortion." And that's a problem. So for the most part I'd have to say that I'm pro life. Don't get up in arms about it, but I feel that even unborn babies deserve a chance at life. After all, my mother gave me a chance, and I have made a lot out of it so far. I've said my piece, so I'll stop now. ------------------
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Hellraiser
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,13:50 |
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I know there are creatures that eat their young, but what creatures kill their young before they are born? And even if there are such creatures (which I don't remember from biology last year), if humans do it, we are putting ourselves as low as animals.As for the brain activity thing, brain patterns associated with concious thought have been detected very early in fetuses: I saw that on a PBS program once. While we don't know everything, we do know enough to be able to be reasonably sure that the fetus is more than just a sack of protoplasm that somehow becomes a fully concious human being at the time of birth. I'm not saying that anyone else has to live by my views, I'm merely sharing them. To every action we take there is a consequence, and we should think about those consequences before taking the action. That's where responsibility comes in, and by allowing abortions into our society, we've effectively reduced the consequence for pregnancy at the expense of taking human life. I don't think that that's a bargain at all. ------------------
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Bozeman
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2000,13:54 |
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Contrary to reman's statement, it is shown that in the third trimester, a fetus begins to develop brain activity. (see Carl Sagan's book "A Candle in the Dark: Thoughts of Life and Death on the brink of the Millenium") At this point, it is feasible that the unborn fetus gains sentience (self awareness) and is therefore morally a human being. For in the end, sentience is all that sets us apart from monkeys, fir trees, mushrooms, and single celled organisms. However before this relization of self awareness, the fetus is not a human being, and the mother can choose to not be a mother, so to speak. Carl Sagan delves into this more closely, so I would suggest buying it, or borrowing it from a local library or someone who owns a copy.
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