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Wiley 
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2002,19:43 |
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The name Rush Limbaugh was brought up in another thread and just seeing the name along side the phrase political news made me sick to my stomach. Now, I’ll be the fist to admit that I haven’t listened to the blowhard for years, having already had enough of his childlike smear tactics to turn the dial. So, shortly before writing the reasons that I don’t consider his show to be any form of political news I checked out his website to see if his fundamentals had changed. Nope, they hadn’t. He was still just slandering the Democratic party, not giving any brilliant Republican insight on any current political debates. Just a We’re right and they are stupid position. Now, certainly if I had my own radio show I would express my opinions as well, but I wouldn’t think of labeling it anything but entertainment …I certainly would not present it as news.
So, am I wrong? Here is an invitation to prove me wrong. Can somebody please find me some Rush quotes that show some brilliant insight? I mean …he claims Broadcasting Excellence but these are a few quotes and images off the front page. It looks as credible as the Weekly World News.
“I'm not retiring until every American agrees with me, including members of the Ninth Circuit. It's a challenge, but I'm up to it"
Broadcast Excellence from June 28, 2002
Wow Rush …that really is some Broadcast Excellence there …who would have ever though to not give up until you’ve won?? What’s next “I will walk by putting one foot in front of my other foot …Broadcast Excellence?”
Stephen Reinhardt, leader of the 9th Circus Court...
Arafat is running for re-election as a moderate of all things - and kissing suicide bomber babies, no doubt...
Wow …This is where I want to turn for my Political News!!!!
So come on people …prove Wiley wrong. Is Rush capable of producing anything from his own mind that is news worthy? Please ..post some links for me.
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wix
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2002,21:48 |
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I agree with CK, rush is an excellent turning point for poltical battles. It's nice to get both sides of an issue (not that rush presents both but at least he gets one out).
Personally, I find his political tastes dispicable, and I honestly think he probobly harms the republican platform more than he helps it. He's a very public spokesman for the conservatives and he makes the whole right wing seem far more rediculous than it really is.
All that being said, at least he puts forth arguments. These sorts of things can never hurt the market place of ideas. The jokes don't discount it's political merit. Ever hear of a little story published called A Modest Proposal to solve the Irish problem by eating the children? Satire, and humor in general, can have amazing effects on people.-- I think rush knows this.
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Darth Liberus
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2002,22:27 |
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i'm wholeheartedly with you on this one, Wiley. Rush Limbaugh - and all the other crap CK listens to, for that matter - is not good journalism by any means. It's just a way for hardcore, small-minded, pseudo-conservative idiots to have a big radio circle-jerk.
Do you think we could get Bob Dole to start his own talkshow? Or maybe bring him out of retirement so he can rescue the GOP from the trolls? I may be a good Democrat, but there used to be a lot of Republicans that I had a lot of respect for. They're pretty hard to find now 
Edited by Darth Liberus on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2002,23:16 |
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Agreed, Rush is mostly liberal bashing. However, calling it bad journalism is just conservative bashing on the other end. As opposed to NPR, talk radio generally gives a much better picture of real public opinion. Especially for mike and orielly, the only calls they do are differing view points.
wiley, rush may be harsh, but that doesn't mean he is wrong. I'll post some good stuff on monday.
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Wiley
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Posted on: Jun. 30 2002,01:40 |
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| Quote (CatKnight @ 29 June 2002,15:16) | | Rush may be harsh, but that doesn't mean he is wrong. |
I'm a Republican, so of course there are things I agree with him on ...I just don't think he ever makes a valid case for why his views are better for the American people. Instead he is too busy trying to make people who disagree with him look foolish. The fact that he always points out spelling errors on letters in which people have a differing opinion kinda sums it up for me. You can disagree with me and I have no problem with that ...but if you have to resort to pointing out spelling and grammar errors to weaken my opinion and make you look superior then perhaps your argument is not so strong to begin with. It's the same thing with this forum, about the lamest comeback you can make is grading spelling.
And again ...I can be wrong about Rush, I haven't listened to him in years. But from what I can find to read he hasn't changed much.
NPR is all good though ...And Bob Dole has kicked ass ever since he lost the battle for the oval office. I don't care that he can't get it up anymore.
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| Quote (Wiley @ 30 June 2002,01:40) | | I'm a Republican |
the sound of print presses grinding to a halt with borken cogs flying off in all directions can be heard.
this is the point in the film where you find out your freind who you were protecting is really been the badguy all along 
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Pravus Angelus
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Posted on: Jul. 01 2002,02:23 |
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| Quote (Necromancer @ 30 June 2002,18:00) | | Quote (Wiley @ 30 June 2002,01:40) | | I'm a Republican |
the sound of print presses grinding to a halt with borken cogs flying off in all directions can be heard.
this is the point in the film where you find out your freind who you were protecting is really been the badguy all along |
No kidding. Can you believe he would betray the motherland like that? And I thought all the smart folk were communists...
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Wiley
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If it helps any, I'm a really lousy Republican.
I'm just in it for the tax cuts.
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Darth Liberus
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I think I'd rather pay more taxes rather than live in the mess we're in now. Not that I especially like paying them, but giving back the surplus was one of the most irresponsible moves in recent memory.
We could've dramatically cut our payments on the national debt simply by using the surplus to pay it down. Had we paid it down, we wouldn't have to pay nearly as much interest and principal on the debt, which means that the taxpayers get more value from their tax dollars.
Makes sense, right? A lot more than sending everyone a few hundred bucks while simultaneously cutting taxes and praying that it will stimulate the economy SO MUCH that you won't have to worry about getting enough tax money ever again.
I will admit that there were a lot of tax & spend liberals from the 1930's to the 1970's, but there's very few of us left who believe in that system. We got the hint when the Reaganites marched in and shoved laissez-faire capitalism and Voodoo Economics on everyone.
So yeah, back then we raised taxes a bit too high, and we had so much money to spend we didn't pay as much attention to where it was going as we should've been. That's why we got our asses kicked. The Republicans have deregulated the hell out of everything, spending money without collecting it first, and basically promising that everyone could *MAKE*MONEY*FAST*, and look at the mess we're in.
For twenty years now we've been trying to kick these fuckups out of power, and we've spent the past twenty years developing good, responsible economic plans. Things like "don't spend money you don't have" and "don't spend money on things you don't need."
i.e. deficit spending is bad. unbalanced budgets are bad. spending money on programs like Star Wars is bad.
We still think the government should provide those public services which will benefit the people as a whole, but we now recognize that to be beneficial to people, it has to be beneficial to businesses and the economy as well. Beyond that, we want those services to be efficient and customer-friendly.
Business is not a bad thing. I personally find profit to be a great motivator. I want a nice house and a good car and lots of l33t tech kit. But it does have one downside - the profit motive can degrade into raw greed. Take a look around you right now and see what's happened to the economy - the means of production are there, the money to buy things is there, but nobody wants to invest in *anything* because the future is so uncertain. When fraud and deception is rampant, people hang on to their money instead of spending it & keeping the economy moving... who wants to give their money to a thief?
So while Republicans feel that the government should be at the mercy of business, we feel that good government should be a role model for business. Government services should be as efficient, responsive, and friendly as possible, so that businesses strive to do the same.
As for the services it should provide, I'll leave that for another post, but rest assured that I mean truly *PUBLIC* services that benefit everybody... things like roads, education, national defense... and public healthcare, but that's a flamewar of its own.
Edited by Darth Liberus on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2002,02:09 |
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lol
there are so many things totally wrong with your post that I don't have the energy to correct them all right now while studying for my midterm tomorrow.
if you think the government should raise taxes, I volunteer YOU to donate 75% of your yearly income to the tax-me-more foundation (yes it really does exist).
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