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Wolfguard 
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Posted on: May 23 2002,15:54 |
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I have been watching the US go to hell for quite some time. Its to the point now where nothing shocks me anymore. I do have to point fingers at a group of people for what will be the down fall of this great nation.
Parents.
Parents, your children are out of control. There is a total lack of respect for anything from these little bastards. The parents in this country are afraid to do anything to these little brats because the little brats know they can call child welfare. This is an 800 lb gorilla that has to much power because a few parents thought it was wrong that the neighbors spanked their kids.
What has this got us? This has got us a bunch of children that are killing each other in our schools. A bunch of children that don’t listen to their parents because there are no consequences for not following orders. A bunch of children that basically don’t have enough sense not to pee on an electrical outlet.
What can we do? Parents, punish your children. None of this touchy feely “time out” crap, it does not work. When they are young put them over your knee. When they act up in a public place punish them on the spot. (you will get cheers for this) When they are older, ground them and send them to their room AFTER you pull the power breaker and removed anything that runs on batteries. If they want to call child services dial the number and hand them the phone. Tell them that you hope they enjoy foster care and the nightmares that they heard about on the nightly news. Teach your children right from wrong and make sure they dam well know that disobeying you is WRONG. Make sure that when they are thinking of doing something one of those thoughts is, “What will my parents do to me when they find out?”
Get the laws changed. Child abuse is wrong but I should be able to punish my child without being seen as Hitler. If I grab my out of control, screaming child and swat it on the bottom I should not have to worry about the police taking me away. If I smack my child with an open hand due to some filth that came out of its mouth I should not have to worry about a jail sentence or people coming into my house and telling me its wrong to enforce discipline and taking my child, or both. If I beat my child with a closed fist or heavy object that is child abuse. If my kids have big marks on their bodies and broken bones all the time then come and shoot me.
You are the parent. You should be loved and feared by your children. The statement, “Wait till your father gets home.” should fill them with dread. Doctor Spock should be nailed to a cross because his ideas are not working and were the start of this downfall.
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Anztac
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Posted on: May 23 2002,16:12 |
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I don't think I've turned out badly. I have utter respect for my father, but I don't think he ever spanked me more then once or twice. I mean, just seeing him angry is a rarity. My father doesn't try to dictate my life, but he does support almost any volition I have. I love him for it, and I haven't made any exceptionally bad choices I don't believe, but that remains to be seen.
I basically do what I think my dad would want me to do anyways alot of the time because I respect him, and I wouldn't want him to think poorly of me. Like if I'm in a stituation I think "What would my dad think of this if I did it?" Not "What would he do if he found out?" or something like that.
I'm not sure what evlolved my family into this state, but when I look at how my friends parents treat their children I don't quite understand how my friends turned out so well.
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Necromancer
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Posted on: May 23 2002,16:27 |
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no complaints here.
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kuru
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Posted on: May 23 2002,16:45 |
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Caveat to Wolf's post (which I agree with 100%) is another term the citizens of the United States need to learn.
Pesonal Responsibility.
I've watched this entire society turn into a 'Wag the Dog' pile of crap and murk that has been contributing to the unending downward spiral.
The 'it's someone else's fault' mentality has GOT TO GO. No more 'the devil made me do it' or 'it's all the fault of television'. Come on people. We are all autonomous beings.
The time has long passed that we ALL start acting like it. This 'government as babysitter' crap is NOT WORKING.
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demonk
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Posted on: May 23 2002,17:27 |
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Ya, I have watched the "pass the buck" aditude of our country since I was little and always wondered "how does running into a building and shooting a bunch a people you don't even know a movie's fault?". I don't know how bad my generation is or my grandparent's generations, but I do know that my parent's generation (baby boomers) are really bad about this. I don't know how this happened, but they seem to have the additude that if something bad happened, someone has to be blamed, and it isn't the person who did the bad thing. Terrorists fly planes into the WTC, let's blame the FBI for not knowning about it or knowing about it and not doing anything in time. This country needs a desperate dose of Personal Responsibility. I pledge, right here and right now, that I will take personal repsonsibility for everyone one of my actions, both good and bad, even if I am too drunk to remember. Who's with me?
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Wolfguard
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Posted on: May 23 2002,17:34 |
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Thats my next rant 
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Dysorderia
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Posted on: May 23 2002,17:43 |
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All this shit starts when some idiot says "think of the children" or some equally mindless crap.
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ic0n0
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Posted on: May 23 2002,17:43 |
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I think that corporal punishment is alive and well in the United States wolf, I think you may live in the wrong area and are not in contact with the people who do use it. Growing up in the 80’s and early 90’s I did see a good deal of corporal punishment on friends of mind (never me I was always good) I do not think it is wrong but it is hard to determine where the line is between good parenting and child abuse is located, I understand where your coming from and I do think 90% of what your saying is justified but I think that you might be suffering from “things were better in the old days syndrome”. Personal responsibility is fine but since when is it ok to charge a 15 year old as an adult? I know you didn’t mention this but it does seem to be common now to charge young teens as adults and that really bothers me, some of these kids have committed horrible crimes but they are not adults, send them to a harsh juvenile center where discipline and personal responsibility are taught, hell even send them to a military run center. What I am getting at is that I do not think the majority of kids are as bad as you Claim, I do see many that are and I hope they get a harsh taste of life before it’s too late but I do not think most children are as bad as you say.
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damien_s_lucifer
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Posted on: May 23 2002,19:34 |
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I would like thank everyone for not blaming all of this on the liberals... hasn't happened yet, anyway and before anyone starts, both of my parents have always been flaming liberals, and they never had any problem disciplining me.
i was never spanked or slapped, but when I fucked up I knew it... for example, if I started screaming in the supermarket, momma marched my ass outside and told me very cooly "you can cry as much as you want, but we aren't going home until I'm done shopping. The longer you cry, the longer it will take." Then she'd sit there and glare at me until I was done... and when I was, she'd drag my ass back inside and continue shopping.
If I flipped out again, same thing would happen. I got the point pretty quickly
That, by the way, is classic Dr. Spock parenting; my momma swore by it and still does. Discipline was straight to the point : here's what you're doing wrong, here's what you're punishment is, here's the conditions you need to meet to get out of trouble. The parent then stands firm on the punishment and ignores the child's further whining and protesting rather than trying to punish the child further. That way kids learn to calm themselves down (basic anger management), and they learn that bad behavior is not going to get their parent's attention.
and i sure as hell didn't get every single little thing I wanted just by whining. I had the fewest toys of any kid in the neighborhood; I didn't get anything unless my parents could see some educational value in it. Which meant that while other kids were getting Super Air Blasters and getting bored with them two days later, I was getting Legos and chemistry kits.
My TV time was limited as well; I only got an hour after school to watch what I wanted.
And no, I didn't mind. The only problem I had was that other kids seemed kind of boring to me; all they ever wanted to do was talk about their lame toys (and ALL toys are lame compared to Legos) or sit on their ass and watch TV. I actually had a well-developed imagination, and when you're a kid a good imagination is way cooler gift than a Super Air Blaster, although you aren't aware of it at the time... while my friends watched GI Joe (same show every episode), I was out in the back yard making executing any snail that displeased me, down at the creek trying to dam it up so I could sail around on my new lake, or figuring out what I was going to do when I became president.
I think the point I'm making here is that unlike a lot of kids, I actually had real parents who raised a child, rather than just keeping one around for decoration...
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DuSTman
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Posted on: May 23 2002,22:00 |
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As a child I never got into much trouble at all, but one thing I did was fight with my sister.. A lot..
Some of the times when we fought particularly viciously (read: when I won) mum would spank me for it.
Now, the thing is, that didn't make me less likely to fight with my sister. Not in the slightest. I'd fight with her and *then* I'd worry about being punished for it.
I do think that in certain respects society is too soft now, but from my own memory of childhood, I really don't think spanking was actually an effective way of altering my behavioral patterns.
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