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Pravus Angelus 
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2002,04:38 |
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Kay. Forgive any ignorance but I have some questions and hopefully somebody has some answers.
1. Does anybody know of any Java compilers for any platform other than IBM mainframes? Anybody know what version of JDK they support & how reliable they are? Also, do they replicate the GUI features typically handled by the JVM?
2. Anybody have a good article comparing C# to Java? From what I've been told the two are virtually identical in terms of the development process, except of course C# doesn't have the f***ing JVM and is win32 only
3. XP does anybody know roughly the disk space difference between a win2k pro install and a winxp pro install? I ask because I have win2k pro on a partitioned drive and it's almost entirely filling it up... I split the HD in the first place to sep. the OS from the DATA and I want to install XP, but I don't want to have to repartition (since that would require killing the other drive...)
4. WTF is up with the letter 'c'?
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Beldurin
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1.) Borland Jbuilder is what I used for my Java class in undergrad.
2.) I read a C# article in webtechniques (a sad mag if ever I saw one: Oooh, you mean I can use tables to enhance the layout of my webpage? You don't say! I say don't use either...use PHP.
3.) Dunno
4.) Where did that come from?
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RadioActive
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Posted on: Jun. 09 2002,16:17 |
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1). Look above, and borlan is the best.
2). Look above.
3). In my experience xp takes up a bit more space, but it's more of a matter of like 100mb. What you need is partition magic or osmething like that. It will take a while, but it can repartition without destroying data. I did that a few times before. Tokk 500mb from one partition and added to the other for same reasons, space on xp partition seemed to misteriously disappear even though i regularly cleaned all temp files and such.
4). I think he is refering to C being used for most language names like C,C++,VisualC++,C#. And if that's what you are talking about, I have no clue why they did that.
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Beldurin
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4.) I used to know why they called it C, but I can't remember. C++ is so named because it's the next step in the evolution of the programming language and ++ is the increment operator in the language. Visual C++ comes from the fact that you use a GUI to write it and MS needed a snappy name. C# probably came about because MS wanted something familiar.
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Bob_the_Cannibal
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veistran
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wasn't it C because there was already and A and B?
edit: it'd be nice if I read all of the replies before posting, wouldn't it?
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Darth Liberus
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a couple minor corrections...
1. afaik B and C are both derived directly from BCPL; C is not based on B.
2. Visual C / Visual C++ are not languages, they're software packages.
3. The reason C is such a big letter in the programming world is because so many languages derive their syntax from it.
4. C# is MS's attempt at making a C-like scipting language. Unfortunately for them, it's already been done very well, and the interpreter and almost all libraries are 100% free. See perl, which is arguably the most popular scripting language on the planet.
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Estërion
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is perl like, between C and php?
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Pravus Angelus
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whoops, sorry my bad. Clearly I should have clarified on at least #1.
I wans't asking for an IDE or third party compiler to turn java into bytecode, i was asking for native java compilers (found some, as it happens. But couldn't find any free ones...anybody have a free one? :-). As for IDEs I was never a huge fan of Borland...personally I use JCreator.
I managed to find some other stuff on C# as it happens. BTW DSL I wouldn't call it a scripting language any more than you'd call java a scripting language. Unlike perl which (and correct me if I'm wrong, which I may be) is always directly interpreted, both C# and Java are compiled to intermittent non-native languages. C# is actually never interpreted, but rather the intermittent language (IL) is natively compiled prior to execution (which differs from Java's JIT approach & presumably, though I'm not sure of it, assures higher performance).
as for perl being most popular... it depends a lot on where you look. In the professional world perl's use is far rarer than elsewhere (not to say there aren't companies that use perl, they just use it less than individual programmers). We could go on, but I think the perl vs. debate is one that can quickly become a black hole from which we will never escape (sort of like the abortion debate...)
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Darth Liberus
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my bad on the C#. it's not a scripting language.
enormous downside to C# : it only works on x86 machines running Windows, and because it's a MS product that's all it will ever run on.
anyone who tells you that "this doesn't matter 'cause everyone runs Windows" is a fool. the vast majority of large sites run a variant of Unix on big iron.
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You don't see much Perl used much in Windows, but it's ubiqitous in the Unix world. These days, a Unix box without perl installed is practically worthless.
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