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i have no idea what any of that means but it looks cool
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i know a guy that would die for intel. anytime i say amd is better he has to try to one-up me, ands like "intel will always be better than every amd regardless" and he dismisses sites like anandtech and tomshardware and hardocp as "opinionated non-professional websites". he refuses to believe the benchmarks, i'm just like "wtf". amd 0wns j00... i personally think he just doesn't want to admit that my comp is better -- and less expensive.
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Umm... yeah. I almost went back to Intel because of a flakey Via chipset. Then I got a new MB with an AMD 760 chipset and it was all better.

Surely an xHammer wiLL r0x0r my b0x0r next time I upgrade. Mmmmm... Glueless SMP, integrated memory controllers, and an integrated northbridge (oh yeah, and 64 bits are nice too).

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PostIcon Posted on: Oct. 16 2001,10:32 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Don't forget HyperTransport. It will 0wn j00!

Pages 29-37 are particularly nice.

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mmm confusing techy words

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Originally posted by MattimeoZ80:
i know a guy that would die for intel

I've met plenty of those. My roommate used to be one until he noticed my machine is rock solid and his crashes all the time.

I know it's his piece of shit power supply that's doing it, but if he wants to buy AMD, who am I to discourage him?

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12 stage fetch/exec pipeline... mmm...

For those who don't understand the fuss about the # of pipeline stages, as a general rule :

fewer # of pipeline stages = higher average instructions per cycle (IPC)

The reason this happens is because of execution branches. Instruction execution happens near the end of a CPU's pipeline. When the CPU is executing instructions that are sequential, it can keep one instruction in every stage of the pipeline. Every clock cycle causes one or more instructions to execute, and everything in the pipeline gets shifted forward.

When a branch happens, though, the CPU has to discard everything in the pipeline and start anew. This means the CPU stalls for as many cycles as the pipeline is long - no instructions execute until the pipeline is full again.

The CPU *tries* to predict ahead of time where a program will go next to prevent these stalls. If you're lucky, the CPU guesses correctly, and a branch DOESN'T stall the CPU. But branch prediction can only do so much. In a normal environment EVERY CPU stalls thousands or even millions of times a second.

On the other hand, having more stages in the pipeline means that each stage has to do less work, which means you can crank the clock speed higher than you could otherwise.

I believe the Athlon has a 9-stage vs. 20 for the P4. This is one of the main reasons the P4 is a slug - even though it's execution engine runs at 2X clock speed, every mispredicted branch causes a minimum 20-cycle stall, vs. only 9 cycles on the Athlon (and 12 on the Hammer).

So it looks like the Hammer will almost certainly be about the same speed as the Athlon - probably a tad slower at integer ops, and a tad faster at FP. It will definatley be a hell of a lot faster than the P4, clock for clock.

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PostIcon Posted on: Oct. 16 2001,21:57 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

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damien_s_lucifer stated the following obvious shit:
[Hammer] will definatley be a hell of a lot faster than the P4, clock for clock.

Well, duh!

I mean, if the Athlon is faster than the P4 clock for clock, you'd hope the Hammer damn well better be!

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I doubt the Hammer will be as fast as the Athlon clock-for-clock, though. But it should be able to hit higher clock speeds, and it will be a moot point when running native 64-bit apps. 64-bit processing r0x0rs.
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