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PostIcon Posted on: Sep. 20 2000,22:32  Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

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Our society is advanced. Very advanced. Why do people still believe in religion?

One word.

FEAR.

Think about it for a moment. The reason we had religion in the past is that we could not explain things, and so we just made up stories. That's where christianity and all other religions come from... explaining the supernatural and things we don't know about.

The reason people still believe? Because since age 3, they have been told that if they don't belive they'll go to hell, which is a combination of their worse fears for the rest of eternity. Give me a fucking break. If all you had to do was ask "God" for forgiveness, would he need a Hell?

I couldn't believe a drop of religion, because there have been too many opportunities for people to edit the beliefs... and I can't submit something that's been subject to that much corruption.

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Originally posted by RenegadeSnark:
Why do people still believe in religion?

One word.

FEAR.


Then how do you explain LaVey's Church of Satan? Organized religion is obsolete - its time to "evolve" the idea, so believe in whatever you want to believe. I think the vast majority of us are atheists at heart (i know i am), and there's _nothing_ wrong with that. I hope that everyone with half a brain has come to realize this. But, ya know, in a way I almost admire true christians today. Not the southern baptist morons that hide behind their so-called faith, but the real christians, who actually use their faith to make the world a better place (which is the ONLY POINT OF RELIGION!). But they are practically a dead breed, which is maybe just as well...

The christian god is the biggest contradition in history: an all loving god that punishes the non-believers to an eternity of suffering?? Man, I can't grasp God's logic on that one.

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Can I get an ahmen up in this hooouse?!

word, Shark. preach it brotha!

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It’s a nice little con; just do what we tell you to for the short little time that you’re alive and you get to spend eternity in complete bliss. But fuck up once and you spend forever in hell getting whipped, burned, and butt-raped.

Come on; just give us sixty years of your life…and all your money…

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Its not really FEAR. Its mostly something to believe in and\or money. Without donations alot of churches could not get remodeling and other church stuff done.

On the other hand you have a religion like Scientology, which really drains the dough. Shoot it seems like only celebrities are the only people who can afford the classes. You got John Travolta, JAson Lee, Isaac Hayes, Jenna Elfman pumping big bucks into that sutff. Ive done quite a bit of research on this religion/business and its pretty crazy. You start out at low levels then once you reach a certain level the god Xenu/Zenu is introduced. Ever see the commercial for Dianetics and the volcano exploding? Supposedly Scientology states that Xenu the Intergalactic Alien exploded peoples bodies out of volcanos with hydrogen bombs. Pretty crazy stuff...

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really, can anyone really explain what scientology is about?
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Scientology is about giving all your money away to violent fools...

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really, can anyone really explain what scientology is about?

Well, I'm glad you asked. It's very simple, really. Scientology is about MONEY .

I should preface with the fact that I don't personally know any Scientologists. The following is what I have gathered from Scientologist works and criticism. I hear that the Church of Scientology is a very humanitarian organization. I wouldn't know. But here's what I do know:

L. Ron Hubbard, the creator of Scientology, is a science fiction author. (Operative word: fiction) He created the religion to promote his book sales. Just as hundreds of cultist Star Trek fans spend the time to learn the Klingon language, people spend the time to learn Hubbard's religion. After WWII, Hubbard's work caught on, mostly amongst sci-fi fans. However, is soon bred a cultish following to the point where it is today - sporting membership by many celebrities (Cruise, Travolta, etc.) Scientology has gotten rather big, no doubt giving Hubbard quite a deity complex.

Anyhow, you may recognize Hubbard as the author of such flops as Battlefield Earth. Yet, he has had many bestsellers. Most notable of these is Dianetics (Greek for "thought"). This is the book with the Volcano on the cover. Dianetics is basically a self-help, personal power book that was written in 3 weeks. Hubbard wrote it so fast he used a continuous roll of paper on his typewriter to avoid stopping and had special keys inserted for common words like "but," "or," and "how." Dianetics is basically all about learning how to make decisions in your daily life that won't affect your desire to be who you truly want to be. So far, so good.

Then it starts to get weird. After you delve deeper into Hubbard's work, you find out why there is a volcano on the cover of Dianetics. According to Scientologists, the galaxy was a very overpopulated place, circa 75 million years ago. It was then that a rather evil alien named Xenu decided to tailor out the undesirable folks to quell the problem. To make a long story short, Xenu placed the scum in a volcano, then detonated a mass of atom bombs, disintegrating everyone.

Learning this on your own is not cheap. The entire works of L. Ron Hubbard cost upwards of a quarter of a million bucks. Perhaps it's more now.

Anyhow, Martin Gardner sums up Scientologist thought pretty well: "The conscious mind is called by Hubbard the "analytical mind." It operates like a gigantic computing machine....however, [it may] direct the body in an aberrated manner if it is fed false data by the unconscious mind....The unconscious mind is termed the "reactive mind." Actually, it is always conscious -- even when a person is sleeping, or "unconscious" from some other cause. The reactive mind is incapable of "thinking" or "remembering." But when the analytical mind becomes unconscious or semiconscious, in a manner associated with bodily pain or painful emotion, the reactive mind starts to make "recordings." These recordings are called "engrams." All neuroses, psychoses, and psychosomatic ailments (including the common cold and possibly diabetes and cancer) are caused by engrams. In most cases, the trouble-making engrams are recorded before one is born."

Hubbard tells you how to avoid this.

I once saw a program (either 60minutes or 20/20) regarding the fact that Scientologists believe disease and illness are all psychosomatic, and can be battled with the mind. Needless to say, one of their followers died while quarantined in an apartment rather than the hospital. The government was doing an investigation.

Much more info is @ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/index.html

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No... the devil does that. All the good things are gGod. All the bad things are the devil... and all questionalble things are done by monkeys. And little round bread chips make me holy. HEH.

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If i remember rightly, i remember seeing somewhere that Hubbard created scientology on a bet, it was something about being able to start a religion about nonsense and get people to pour money into it. he didn't beleive in scientology at all.

I'll have to see if i can dig up the documentation tonight at work.

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