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hmmm, napster. is it really that great a loss? maybe someone will release one of their own (or just use us for ddos) is it really worth bitching and whining and signing petitions when nobody who has the power to return napster to it's former state gives a fuck what a bunch of internet "geeks" think?
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i just finnished some frantic downloading
from napster, and now that the man has stepped in what will become the fate of our dear old nappy headed friend. will we be forced to turn to progs like imesh, or sites like audiofind. or will they see that its pointless to try and stop us, and let nappy go free?
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The decision late today by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals allows Napster to remain in operation past midnight PT tonight, when a previous court order would have forced the company to halt the sharing of copyrighted
music--effectively shutting it down.

In its two-page order, the court said Napster "raised substantial questions (on) both the merits and the form of the injunction."

The court also granted Napster's request for an expedited appeal. The company is required to file a legal brief with the court by Aug. 18; a responding brief by the music industry is due Sept. 8. After the briefs are
filed, the court will schedule oral arguments.

The decision does not address the merits of the case. Rather, it only maintains the status quo until the case receives a full hearing, which is likely to occur this fall.

"Wow, I'm surprised," said Fred von Lohmann, a copyright attorney with Morrison & Foerester, which is not involved with the case. "I didn't think they were going to do it. All I can think is that Napster's
lawyers made a very compelling argument that if you don't stay the injunction, we'll go out of business, and there won't be anything left to appeal."

Hillary Rosen, CEO of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), which filed the suit against Napster, issued a statement calling the decision "a disappointment," but said she was confident about the final outcome.

"It is frustrating, of course, that the tens of millions of daily infringements occurring on Napster will be able to continue, at least temporarily," Rosen said. "In fact, since the district court
issued its order, the illegal downloading of copyrighted music openly encouraged by Napster has probably exceeded all previous records.

“We look forward to the day when the infringements finally cease.”

Napster attorney Daniel Johnson, of the law firm Fenwick & West, praised the ruling, explaining that unique legal questions posed by the case require full consideration by the courts.

"Before the court of appeals was prepared to put Napster out of business, these very serious issues had to be resolved," Johnson said. "Can a consumer have a right to copy? Can you use
the Internet for sharing information? Is Napster entitled to protection under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act?"

Rosen of the RIAA agreed that the novel issues raised by the case may have prompted the court's decision.

“The Court of Appeals apparently regards this case as the first of its kind and wants to consider it before any injunction takes effect," she said in a statement. "The court’s order sets an
expedited schedule for that review."

Carl Oppedahl, an intellectual property expert at the law firm of Oppedahl & Larson, said the stay will probably remain in effect until after a full appeal is heard by the 9th Circuit. It is unlikely
the Supreme Court will weigh until after the appeals court hears the case, he added.

Oppedahl said the decision to grant an expedited appeal could be seen as characteristic of the 9th Circuit, which has "tried to assume a leadership role among courts of appeal on novel
intellectual property and Internet issues."

Nevertheless, he cautioned, there is every chance the court could rule against Napster.

Today's reprieve follows a flurry of activity this week in the case, which pits the start-up against the titans of the music industry.

On Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel granted the RIAA's request for an injunction in the lawsuit filed late last year, accusing the service of massive copyright violations. In granting the RIAA's request, Patel found that
the plaintiffs had provided enough evidence to show a strong likelihood of success at trial.

Patel's order applied only to the swapping of copyrighted music on Napster. The company could still trade music that is approved by artists, and it could operate its message boards, which have been flooded with angry postings from
fans.

At the same time, Patel refused Napster's request to stay the injunction, saying the company must comply by midnight PT today despite objections that it could only do so by shutting down completely.

Napster attorneys yesterday filed an emergency stay request with the 9th Circuit to postpone the injunction while it prepares an appeal. The appeals court granted that request today.

In a statement by the company, Napster said it will continue its "buy-cott" this weekend. It is urging its fans to buy the CDs of the artists who have been supportive of Napster. A list of these artists can be found on Napster's Web site.

In a telephone interview from Napster's headquarters, CEO Hank Barry said he was grateful for the court's ruling and is planning to go spend the weekend at home with his three daughters. "It's been a very long week."

Asked about the mood around Napster's offices, where employees faced losing their jobs as soon as this weekend, Barry said he wasn't sure. "I've been in my cube most of the time."

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Record companies exist for one reason. Not for the art and not for the artist... FOR THE MONEY! They’re gold digging BITCHES and if anyone can take 2 cents from them, they're going to do everything they can to stomp him out!

No power? NO POWER!?! What the fuck are you talking about!?!!! WE have ALL the power!! Don't buy CDs!! It's called a boycott. You might have been whacking-off in the bathroom when your teacher was explaining it at the cost of my tax dollars, but it's been done throughout history! Refuse to by something, and companies will be at your feet; FORCED to work on your terms! Kick those money grubbing ass holes where it HURTS!! IN THE PANTS... right where they keep their big fat wallet!

I (and thousands of others) are refusing to buy CDs till they give up this stupid fight. If you don't call THAT power then your either smoke a pound of crack a day, or just BORN retarded!

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PostIcon Posted on: Jul. 29 2000,01:19 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

I dont refuse to buy cds, im just too ass broke to do so...but i would if i could...
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maybe i do smoke a pound of crack a day. is there a problem lying there? did microsoft backdown because thousands of people boycotted their products? no, because there's still millions of other people that continue buy them. the same will happen with the riaa. and anyway, so what if record companies are money grubbing bitches. you own a business you try and get the most money. maybe you were the one whacking-off in the bathroom.

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yeah, good point. only like half the people in the US even own a computer, and like only a third of those are online...youre talking one sixth of the population. of those id estimate maybe 1/4 of those used napster. and then count in that since not all were likely cronic users, that maybe 1/10 of those actually bought the cds, and would want to stop...your talking maybe 1/240 of the population to stop buying cds. the riaa will not notice that much....they might notice, but they sure as hell wont give a fuck.
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Nobody cared enough to boycott microsoft, because they were charging a FAIR price. There are some long distance services that buy out a certain area and charge 50 cents a minute. And while (almost) legal, and is the purpose of a buisness, it isn't in the least FAIR. The RIAA is only in it for the money, and will charge the absolute maximum that they know people will pay (they got a statistics analysist making sure of that). So, unless people TRY to take a stand, NOTHING is going to change. And while no boycott can collapse a company, it sure can hurt it!
Ever hear of blacks boycotting the bus. There were MANY less blacks than whites, and it was a crippling blow! Sure, sure, more blacks rode the bus, but more techies, geeks, nerds, and 1337 h4x0rs buy CDs!! The average is 1 a month, but (as proved by statistics) napster users buy 6 a month! Why? a) Because they are more into music b) Because sampling music DOES encourage people to buy CDs.
Now I'll keep the insults to a minimum, but it's your winy, self-loathing, puny-brained attitude that lets the fat cats boss you around in the first place.

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fat-cats bossing me around? where the fuck did that come from? i'm not being pushed around by anyone. of course the riaa is in it for the money. nobody ever said compeditive pricing would be FAIR. so what if napster users buy 6 cds a month. the fact remains that the riaa won't give a shit.
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you forget in all your ranting that not all napster users are the same. while some (ive got no fuckin clue of the statistics on this one, so i wont say i do) people who use napster do buy more cds, there are also plenty who dont. lets take for example my sister. she had access to a t1 line at her college campus, and so as a result she has an incredibly large collection of mp3s. she constantly plays them too loud, so i go in, and i hear a song i know (usually a cd i have, and i have never used napster, but i still buy lots of cds despite of that) and i ask her if she has the cd. i have yet to hear her respond yes. so while there are those who may buy more cds (i have yet to see one) as a result of napster, there are many who dont.
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