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CatKnight 
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2002,06:15 |
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read this, then tell me what you think.
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive....-01.asp
I submitted a reply to the newspaper, I'll post it after a few of you tell me your opinions.
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ic0n0
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2002,06:23 |
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I agree with the statement that we shouldn’t be developing new nuclear weapons, but this guy is using bad analogies, why use analogies with such a major issue just present the facts and move on.
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Vigilante
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2002,16:57 |
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Bad analogies, not to mention improper terminology. I doubt these bunker busters have much in common with what is normally considered a 'strategic nuke' (city killer). I'd guess what we're developing micronukes, well under 1kt yield (remember kiddies, that's a thousand tons worth of tnt; we don't have to flatten entire mountains to collapse a bunker), with a penetrating delivery system like the daisy cutter.
Fallout from these things is negligable... aside from the possibility of giant radioactive mutant scorpions, I don't much care that a useless patch of desert might be as deadly as a cell phone.
Irrational fears fed by willful ignorance give rise to twits like this. Regardless of Bush's "cowboy image" (frankly, I wish he'd start wearing a white hat and a six-shooter on his hip), we have proven that we are responsible bearers of nuclear power over the last 35 years or so (things were iffy before that). The misconception that needs to be overcome is that any use = misuse. We're not going to completely annihilate Baghdad, even if a terrorist nuke were detonated on US soil and Saddam danced a jig in public. We'd roll a tank division over his grunts, flatten his palaces with conventional bombs, then nuke his underground bunkers - and there will be much rejoicing.
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He says turn the other cheek, but that seems kind of weak
I just want to beat up, beat up the meek
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Wiley
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2002,17:14 |
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| Quote | | Nuclear weapons do not make themselves. Humans make them. But humans have not made any nuclear weapons in the United States since 1992, when our first president named Bush put a halt on all research and development of nuclear arms. |
We're not stupid ...are we? Does anybody think that the US military is not still researching nuclear weapons? I'm all for the US government spending whatever money on whatever weapons technology they want to as long as it ensures other nations live in fear of the USA. And it's not like any of this is really George W.'s ideas ...this is the stuff that the Republican military couldn't push through under the former Democratic presidency. This is kind of a weak spot in our government system. The president can control the military since he is the highest-ranking officer (I don’t know why this was ever a good idea …but whatever) and the military has to go to the Senate or Supreme Court to overturn him. Well, you typically don't want to go to the Senate or the Supreme Court with all your secret plans because then the shit becomes public record. The army is really the president’s bitch. Thank god we now have a president with no spine that can be exploited by republicans for our own good.
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Nikita
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2002,17:59 |
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I dunno, but I get the weird feeling that Georgie boy is rapidly undoing in a few months what Clinton established and built up in 8 years ... kinda like a rabid kitten on speed set loose in a sweater factory.
Thinking back, Bush kinda looks like that Domino's (?) pizza monkey ... bad andy, good pizza ...
Hey looky, 666 posts for the evil that is me 
Oomph!
Edited by Nikita on Jan. 01 1970,01:00
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Vigilante
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2002,18:14 |
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| Quote | | I dunno, but I get the weird feeling that Georgie boy is rapidly undoing in a few months what Clinton established and built up in 8 years ... |
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
(btw, the Noid will always own Andy  )
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He says turn the other cheek, but that seems kind of weak
I just want to beat up, beat up the meek
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kuru
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2002,18:33 |
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OH MY GOD
You mean W actually has plans in effect and the capability to carry them out to make sure that if anyone does decide to start an actual war with the US we won't be caught with our pants down and a copy of The Little Mermaid in the VCR?
What the hell is wrong with him to not completely decimate our military, close down our bases, and then sing Kumbayah with the communist Chinese at a political fundraiser?
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CatKnight
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2002,20:50 |
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to you three who voted that this guy was right on,
| Quote | | if there is even the slightest perception that the United States might "go nuclear" without any direct provocation, then rogue nations like Iraq or North Korea would have every reason to attempt a preemptive strike the United States, |
you do realize he is saying that he thinks iraq should nuke us first in a pre-emptive strike. that iraq should aniihiliate new york before we annihliate their nuke stashes.
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kuru
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2002,20:55 |
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He's obviously a terrorist.
Paging John Ashcroft! Paging John Ashcroft!
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kuru
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damien_s_lucifer
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2002,23:15 |
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dammit, CK, stop deliberately misinterpreting people's words. he is not saying that he thinks Iraq etc. should strike first. He is saying that those nations would see it that way.
But I also think he's overreacting. There is a big difference between a 30 megaton beast and a 1KT "micronuke." Most of our Cold War-era weapons are designed to level Moscow. They have very little military use. They are hardly the surgical weapons preferred nowadays. Their most useful role is to simply exist, so that rogue nations don't get any bright ideas.
Micronukes, on the other hand, are an interesting technology...
"Dear Iraq,
We'd like to tell you about this neat new bomb we have. It's a low-yield atomic weapon, perfect for wiping out chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons facilities in one shot.
If you would like a demonstration of this exciting new technology, please continue to operate these facilities.
Sincerely,
The People of the United States of America"
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