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Just a thought:

Is communism really bad?

I think that communism has been given a lot of bad press by stalin, et cetera.

Is this accurate or am I just dribbling nonsense?

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You're just dribbling nonsense (hey, you said it, not me.)
Communism is good (to some, not I) theoretically, but bad (to everyone) practically. You see, the thing with communism is that in order for it to work, there must be someone to lead the country *temporarily* until the country is stable having everyone equal. The little bit that separates the theoretical from the practical is that no normal human being would give up all that power just to make their fellow countrymen's lives better. What happens in the real world (tm) is that the communistic society ends up turning into a nasty half-breed of communism and dictatorship. It's not pretty, let me tell you. That's when you get the starving masses waiting in breadlines and the absolute filthy rich ruler and his buddies.

Anyway, just felt I'd enlighten you since you asked

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have u read the novel: Animal Farm?
read that, and it should answer your question! it think its by George Orwell.. its about communism, except the animals are symbols for us..

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Originally posted by miNus:
You're just dribbling nonsense (hey, you said it, not me.)

Anyway, just felt I'd enlighten you since you asked

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Originally posted by SiLVeR54:
have u read the novel: Animal Farm?
read that, and it should answer your question! it think its by George Orwell.. its about communism, except the animals are symbols for us..

silver


It does involve communism, but the underlying theme in Animal Farm that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, shown when the pig in charge starts dealing with humans and sends the horse off to the glue factory.

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It does involve communism, but the underlying theme in Animal Farm that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, shown when the pig in charge starts dealing with humans and sends the horse off to the glue factory.

yes, but the whole point of it is to show that the animals couldn't survive without the farmers! aka communism..

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No one has ever gotten to a point where there has been a pure communist state. Communism never got far enough because of the aforementioned Dictatorship "Phase". Personally I think that Communism has little to do with Democracy and I think that someone should try molding them together fully. It always seems to turn into a one party system. Of course the other problem with Communism is the apathy it creates but ehh.

Personally I think that the best form of government is one where you vote for a party and an eligible candidate of the party is selected randomly. This combined with short terms of office will cut back on the buying of candidates. Add a cyber-Athenian voting style and its all good.

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PostIcon Posted on: Apr. 11 2001,02:07 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
Actually, I thought Communism always had stupid dictatorship crap. As opposed to Socialism, which will never work either. Take a basic economics class. There's no way in hell a centrally-planned economy will be able to keep up with/scale to the individual supply/demand characteristics of all markets across a whole damn country. In other words, communism/socialism makes people unhappy and poor as shit.
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Communism is great in theory, crap in life.

Animal Farm was a *GREAT* book. A lot of my friends that read it (it's one of the required books for 9th grade english) said it sucked, but I figure they're all just to stupid to understand what it was about.

Animal Farm takes on the role of the USSR in it's early years. If you know any of the history of the Russian Revolution and whatnot, you'll recognize many of the key figures in the book. The movie that they made out of it was great too, surprisingly. It was funny when the big fat pig fell out of the barn and landed on its head...

Also, keep in mind that communism is simply a economy, not a government. Of course, a communist ecomony ties itself into the government ruling greatly.

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Communism requires somebody to manage the supply/demand from one place, with only an overall vested interest in mind.

Capitalism uses the 'invisible hand' of Adam Smith to govern these issues, using accountibility and vested interests on everybody's parts to make an efficient, and innovative economy.

In their pure forms, you have problems in both cases. Communism has issues of scale. Capitalism has issues of monopolism and greed. That's why I like what America has. It has a free market, with influence on the part of the government (Administrative law) to keep a level playing field.

Capitalism will always win out in the end, as long as technology advances with it. Technology and innovation are the only weapons the little guys have against the big guys who have economics of scale and ROI certainty on their sides.

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