I can’t take this shit anymore: the ditsy, plastic blond psuedo-divas (Britany, Christina, Mandy, Jessica…), the prepubescent teams of hairless estrogen (n’sync, backstreet, 98, ricky…), the disheveled ranks of redundant rap-rock travesties (kid rock, papa roach, pod…)

I can’t take this shit anymore. Who let the money hungry execs drive the music industry into this murky purgatory? Who actually likes this shit? When are people going to wise up and give attention to the potent, genre-starting, fad-initiating, artistic crucible that is the underground?!?

Long live 60s/70s rocknroll…
Long live drumnbass…

I think the industry has been exec driven for some years now, but there is the remaining few music cultures that haven't been touched (dare I say 'yet'?).

D&B, Nu Nrg Trance, Hard House, Gospel House, Gabba (if your into that). These particular types of tech are non-sellable genres for the industry as the teenybopper ppl they are aiming it at won't like it or won't appreciate it, so it's don't sell for them.

It's a crying shame that it has gotten this bad. May music return/evolve into a new way of working for ppl who appreciate GOOD music, and not cheesey pre-manufactred handbag pop, etc...

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These particular types of tech are non-sellable genres for the industry as the teenybopper ppl they are aiming it at won't like it or won't appreciate it..

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I think you hit it right smack on the nose. Right now, I play in a couple of bands - one straight up rocknroll and the other more trip hop/dnb. For a while, the fact that not enough people were digging the genre (esp the hard edged rock) was beginning to chap my hide. But I think you brought up a really interesting point that lends a new way to look at this scene:

Go for the non-sellable genre just to aliente oneself from the teenyboppers and mtv sheep...

i dig a wide vareity of music from gregorian chant to bag pipes to the occasional heavy metal to techno.. rarely do i ever follow a band or a genre... i just get whatever pleases my ears....

when i do listen to the radio, i keep it on the classic rock station, i don't dig rap, hip hop, teeny-bop or most anything that's on mtv, with a few exceptions. and in those cases, hell, i download the mp3.

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'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

second, i agree completely, all this music lately does suck hairy goat gonads. what you need to do to figure out what music is more likely to rock is look at the philosophies behind the genre. thats why i like a lot of punk (i cant ever afford it, but i like it) with punk, its like hey, they worlds fucked up, but we can do somethin about it. with this metal shit you have lately, you get hey, the world sucks, there aint jack you can do about it, and im just gonna whine about my middle class upbringings as though i know what truly crappy life is.

most of the newer trendy music that comes out these days sucks ass. thats one reason why i only listen to the radio in the car.

But bloody hell, what REALLY tweeks my turnip is the FASHION ppl nicking the street styles one by one - I could go on, but that's another thread!

Anyways, I'm not saying that industry dodging should be taken up as a new sport or fad , but things like supporting (different thing alltogether) the non-exec driven bands/acts/DJ's is a damn good thing to do.

but uh.. yeah

the industry sucks nowadays. i mena, these songs that these people sing dont even make sense. and i dont think the backstreet boys or britney or any of those people are good role models because their songs are all about trying to have sex and finding love. these are 13 y/o kids were talking about here! they dont know what love is, and they shouldnt be having sex, thats fooking crazy!

but Mandy Moore.... gah, *splooge* oopps

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if you're only gonna support the non-mass-marketed stuff entirely because it's not mass marketed, then you're really cheating yourself... and still letting society dictate what you listen to/watch/buy.

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'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

Then there's the whole britney/backstreet boys thing. When did mainstream pop music decide that sex and dance moves were more important than the actual music these twits put out?!? Am i missing something here?

In case anybody cares, i'm listening to a lot of Industrial music right now: static-X, ministry, skinny puppy, etc...plus some more mainstream: deftones and disturbed are _increadible_.

but, whatever...

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WTF? cant assosiate papa roach to that shit! only reason ppl dislike him is cuz they play it too much!

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No, I dislike Papa Roach because it's just another lame, angsty rock band.

I fucking love Mindless, they crack me up. They're one of my favorite bands. Whoever it was that brought them up: You might like Oingo Boingo. They're a band headed by Danny Elfman, who does what is probably the best movie scores of all time. They tackle a lot of social issues, personal issues, and sometimes just the outright bizarre. Plus their music kicks ass, and all their stuff is very all over the place, so you never know what you're getting, but it's almost invariably good. Plus, all their songs are around 5 to 6 minutes long, and that's pretty rare among music today.

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...you might like Oingo Boingo. They're a band headed by Danny Elfman...

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Danny Elfman rocks. Anyone who writes the Simpsons theme, the score to Nightmare before Chirstmas, and Little Girls (imho, the best boingo song) is truly a friend of mine.

As for Papa Roach: it just seems like they're another sellout. If you're wondering what I mean by "sellout," I mean a band that alters their style to fit the mold of a trailer band (as hyperponic pointed out earlier, one of the 100,000 imitation bands following in the ranks of others). Take Korn for example. They used to be a pretty decent hardcore/metal/dark rock band, until they changed their style to become more radio friendly and marketable. Older Papa Roach seems to be less rock/rap oriented as would be deemed appropriate today, but perhaps I shouldn't be talking, since I haven't heard that much of their older stuff. Regardless, I personally think their newest music is weak .

i've never seen buffalo tom on tv, but that didn't stop me from finding their music... plus i also listen to a lot of music from the 60s and 70s... which sure isn't gonna show up on mtv...

americans have plenty of alternatives, but unless you're around here, you wouldn't really know it.

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I listen to two radio stations mostly, one is down in seattle, and one is local. There's nothing on that one that I don't really hear locally. Nothing of quality at least.

My point was that we get the best of both worlds, we get all the good music you guys have, plus we get the good music you guys don't. The bands I named aren't no name garage band, one hit wonder, or the kind that you hear and the monday night up and coming program on your local radio station.

Most canadian music, no matter how good it is never really gets out of the country unless they get some amazingly good publicity (like Noise Therapy did when they went on tour with motley crue. If only they didn't split up shortly after). None of the music up here sells enough to pay for publicity or tours in the states. A perfect example would be the Tragically Hip. While I don't particularly care for them, they manage to sell out four shows straight in Vancouver every year they come, and usually two to four every other Canadian city they play. I'm talking stadiums here, 20 to 30 thousand people. Matthew Good Band made some sort of record for the amount sold with his latest album, and has averaged 5 singles per CD over the 3 he's made. Most of the other groups I mentioned are the same, as well as a lot I didn't.

The Canadian record labels are just sorta screwed up, and as so many say our music doesn't get the attention it should.

I suppose I'm sounding overly patriotic here or something. But I'm just explaining myself better =)

If your bored though, and you like alternative rock style music, look up groups like Tea Party, Econoline Crush, Matthew Good Band, J. Englishman, Noise Therapy, Treble Charger, Templar or Wide Mouth Mason.

Not that any of it would be easy to find unless you live here. But it's all good if you like the kind of music it is. Hopefully it'll be enough until this trend of shit music passes.

I mean, my mother (of all people) listens to the Backstreet boys and Britney and stuff... why? it's upbeat and she can dance to it.. I don't care for it, but I don't give her hell over it..

When I listened to rap, I never heard so much comotion over what sucks and what doesn't... even though ALOT of copy-cating goes on in hip-hop.
I would kinda like to think that just because I listen to some "un-l33t" underground bands, I am not labeled a lamer or some such.... it's pointless

*sigh*

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But from my point of view, this is rantable material. Coming from an upbringing that pegs me in the foyer in an underground (or perhaps just unknown) music scene, I am just sick of the way bands "make it." I'm not all about money, but I can't honestly say that I wouldn't like to make a living off of playing music. My point is that it's just sad that the only things that are popular are what guys in suits think should be on the radio. It's sad that popular music has to follow waves of popularity in order to remain a "viable marketing commodity."

It's music, not a product.

I pretty much just listen to the radio, make a mental note of bands I like, then download some mp3s and burn a mix cd (or buy the full cd if I really like them)

If you have a couple bands (off the top of your head) that are cool, it would help in finding some good music

Thanks man!

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I listen to what i like, i listen to alot of Rush and there's a listener supported station up here in rochester 90.5 wber that plays some pretty good stuff, check them out sometime at wber.monroe.edu, they're out of the community college here. as far as industry control, that's what mp3s are for, i don't have to listen to just whats in the stores or on the airwaves.

i like metallica, my favorite band (of couse i am about to burn all their stuff and send them the video of me doing it with a napster t-shirt on :)

i don't care what you listen to, i listen cause i like the music, if it's trendy who gives a shit. that doesn't mean it's not good music, just a lot of blind ppl listening to it cause it was on trl or some other mtv/vh1 show.

heres a question that i want someone else'e thoughts on: do you have to sell out to be trendy? i don't think so but i have a limited pov on this (i don't watch mtv/vh1 and i don't listen to the radio(except in the morning when i'm going to work, the Bob and Tom Show rocks))

Seriously, if you don't like them, don't listen to them! The fact is that there is a market for that music, what is your problem?

--written whilst listening to Korn - No Way.

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Like a noxious mist, the venomous fog seeps through my speakers into my brain…corroding any glimmer of stereophonic salvation.

I can’t take this shit anymore: the ditsy, plastic blond psuedo-divas (Britany, Christina, Mandy, Jessica…), the prepubescent teams of hairless estrogen (n’sync, backstreet, 98, ricky…), the disheveled ranks of redundant rap-rock travesties (kid rock, papa roach, pod…)

I can’t take this shit anymore. Who let the money hungry execs drive the music industry into this murky purgatory? Who actually likes this shit? When are people going to wise up and give attention to the potent, genre-starting, fad-initiating, artistic crucible that is the underground?!?

Long live 60s/70s rocknroll…
Long live drumnbass…

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[B] I think people that like Kid Rock and Brintany Spears have never given the independent and underground scenes a good listen. [B]

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You think Kid Rock is mainstream? He was underground. He may have sold out to a degree - but he was just lucky to hit it big.
< http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/2135/KidRock.htm >

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I like POD, Papa Roach, and Kid Rock, so go to hell

Seriously, if you don't like them, don't listen to them! The fact is that there is a market for that music, what is your problem?

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The problem is that I can't listen to the radio without hearing some sort of regurgitated crap or a hopeless emulation of every trendsetting band. It's pathetic. It's annoying. And it's done simply for the money. I don't want to sound lofty and conceited, but I think people that like Kid Rock and Brintany Spears have never given the independent and underground scenes a good listen. A lot of people are tone-deaf and wouldn't know real talent if it bit them in the ass.

I'm not saying this applies to you, or anyone in particular...but I know it applies to many people out there.

BTW, MTV committs a grievous injustice to music everyday when they run the program, "Return of the Rock." 90\% of bands shown on the program are NOT rock bands (esp. any hiphop/metal band or rap/pop group). Rock and roll is Hendrix, Thin Lizzy, Sabbath, Soundgarden, etc...

Happyfish - that's some interesting stuff about Kid Rock...I never knew he was with all the Jive Records bands. I still think his style is played out (and his music is weak), but I have a bit more respect for him and his roots. Thanks for the heads up.

You know, I think a lot can be seen in how a band interacts with the mainstream. I don't think being famous precludes a band to suck. Take Nirvana for example. They were a band that used the mainstream as a tool to expand their genre and influence fans to get interested in the more obscure bands (i,e- hole, screaming trees, the melvins, mudhoney, etc.)

Other acts, such as N'Sync, 98 Degrees, Christina Aguilera, the Limp Bizkit clones, and even Kiss (those fucking traitors), seem to be tools of the mainstream. These bands endorse products, sell out their names and souls for a stint at fame, perpetuate stale bandwagons, and change what should be an art into a business.

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As I say this music is pop, I don't believe it's all bad. Lots of these bands have memorable songs, like the MI2 theme, but they're still pop.

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Originally posted by pengu1nn:
slipknot is awsome! they are my favorite band (now that metallica has turned gay)
they were suppose to come here in concert on Oct. 3 but they canceled the tour to finish up their new album
static-X is also good.

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static-X is awesome! Kinda reminds me of old-school Ministry in a way, but they've got their own unique style

This thread is starting to make me wonder where Ministry/NIN/Skinny Puppy fit in. I dont' think they're really pop, but they are 'pop' in the sense that all rivet-heads (read, Industrial music fans) probably start out by listening to 'em, or call themselves rivet-heads because they listen to them...

which brings up the question: am i the only person on this board that's heard of (or list3ned to) these groups?

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hyperponic, yes i have, reminds me of a ministry song New World order

that was a while ago though

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Music, in my opinion, is a form of art. It can be used to express the emotion of the songwriter, or performer, through sound. Crappy music (i.e. modern pop) fails to do this. Can anyone feel any emotion (besides hatred of the song itself) in "Hit me baby one more time"?

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I totally agree. The level of art is dwindling in modern mainstream music. MTV is devoid of emotion, and is nothing but a mindless digital spoon-fed media circus. The same goes for art in popular song. What's original about the message all these bands have to offer? Do these bands even have a message? Squealing about burnt-out subjects like suicide and wanting to screw is pointless. Whatever happened to the thematic, artistic masterpieces of bands like Pink Floyd, that used their music as a mirror of society with a genuine vision, and an important message?

Well, I guess that's why the underground is still alive, and mainstream "pop" exists only in fads.

BTW- has anyone seen Better Living Through Chemistry? (this month on the sundance channel)...it's amazing. There's a great part about how the underground bands think up every new style the mainstream markets, and while such genres are being exploited, the underground goes back and makes up something new.)

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reminds me of a ministry song New World order

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That song's freakin' hilarious:
[George Bush]"This is about Good and Evil, Right and Wrong!", "We're not about to make that same mistake...", "A NEW WORLD ORDER!"

er, this one song reminds you of all their music? But then again, Static-X has only released like 10 songs...

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