now for the real rant. while i was waiting for them to get the dude who owned the truck, they started talkin to me about it. first he wants to see my license, which he then claims is a permit, and that im driving this illegally. its called a temp, 1 permit + 1 temporary license = one license good for 90 days, and yes, it was still good. so after proving his limited intellect, he asks me how i happened. and i admitted, im a new driver, and i didnt check to see if there was someone there, and then when i was going forward, he asked what happened. i said "well theres a problem with the accelerator, where it sort of fluxuates" and then he snaps "well, you need to admit, this is a new car (99 jetta) and theres nothing wrong with it, and youre just inexperienced." ok, explain to me this. if my mom, who has been driving a good 35 years or so, and is the best driver i know can see this problem, why is it that its my fault? or maybe it could be that just cause a car is new, doesnt mean its not broken. and then the other cop goes on to say that i need to get an automatic transmission (cause you know those are so much easier to judge THE END OF THE FUCKING CAR) because i obviously cant handle a clutch. because its new, so theres no problem with it, right? well, needless to say, i hate cops, i feel like shit, and i still wanna crawl in that hole.

Security guards are always assholes, though.

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That's it I'm DONE

once when i was like 12, i was riding bikes with friends and i hit a nail with the front tire of my bike. i hit a pickup truck (it was parked) and flew over the handle bars into the flat bed part. the bad thing is, the guy that owned the truck was in it. he called the cops and said i was 'vandalizing and destroying hit property' NYURRR!!!! the cops came i was scared shitless. the cops told the guy they couldnt press charges on my becuase i hit a hard rubber bumber and i did no damage to the car. mwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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UT 0wnz j00 all!

They exist solely to supply suspected lawbreakers to the courts. Unfortunately, cops have the luxury of being the system's gatekeepers; they have the authority of placing people in the system or letting them go free. But that is about it. From then on it is up to the people to discuss the matters of fact in a jury format, the judges to ponder the matters of law, and the lawyers to perpetuate the adversarial system and their respective arguments.

Thus, cops are nothing but garbage men...with shiny badges and guns. 45\% have "little-man's syndrome" and 85\% are stone-cold cocksuckers.

Fuck the police.

[This message has been edited by Happyfish (edited September 10, 2000).]

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Originally posted by Bozeman:
Wait, you were 14, so I'm assuming you didn't have a licence. You think that driving w/no licence is OK?

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actually in some states you can get your liscense at 14. ie. south dakota, montana, basically places where there is nothing to hit, and no cops around anyway.

that, and if you live on a farm you can get some sort of farmers liscense so that you can drive tractors on the road. but it applies to regular vehicles as well.

however, if this is not the case, then Sniper3k may just be retarded.

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one dude i used to hang out with was a cop, and he'd buy me beer when i wasn't legal yet... he's a nice guy, till you give him a bunch of attitude.

oh well. it's like everything else... some are good, some are bad. it sucks when the one you get is bad.

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'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

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'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

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Originally posted by hair:
actually in some states you can get your liscense at 14. ie. south dakota, montana, basically places where there is nothing to hit, and no cops around anyway.

that, and if you live on a farm you can get some sort of farmers liscense so that you can drive tractors on the road. but it applies to regular vehicles as well.

however, if this is not the case, then Sniper3k may just be retarded.

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nope, im not retarded, and i was driving illegaly. but you want to tell me why i shouldn't be allowed to drive when i have the same knowledge and equal/more maturity than many 16 year olds? Just because they were born a year and a couple months before me, they are allowed to operate machinery that they are not more qualified than me to do? i was driving with an adult, who if i did anything wrong would have told me right on the spot. if i can handle it, i should be allowed to drive regardless of age, but based on skill

this is going to sound bitchy, but i have little or no sympathy for those who knowingly do something that is illegal and then whine about how mean the cops are after they get caught. if you took your chances, and you got caught, it's not the cop's fault.

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'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

*sigh*

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Originally posted by whiskey@throttle:
Cops are the trash collectors of the justice system.

Unfortunately, cops have the luxury of being the system's gatekeepers; they have the authority of placing people in the system or letting them go free.

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No no no. IM the gatekeeper.

Tell ya what, let's take a little field trip over to someplace that has a nonexistant police force and see how long we can manage to stay alive and in posession of anything valuable.

Think on this--without the police, there is anarchy. In a utopian society, that would be cool, but in Real Life anarchy sucks because there are people who are simply Bad. You would not have any protection against burglary, arson, murder, vandalism, malicious mischief, or any of a dozen other things that you take for granted. WAKE UP.

I have had three run-ins with the police, and my wife has had a couple, as well. We were treated courteously EVERY SINGLE TIME. The last time I encountered a State Patrol officer was when he stopped to offer additional help to someone my wife and I were assisting on the side of the road. Man, what a jerk, to like, offer to HELP.

I've got a wild concept here--try treating 'em like people. What a concept. They get an awful lot of crap flung at them, and my bet is that if you show them respect, no matter how they act towards you, you'll end up a whole lot better off.

Profiles are made for a reason--someone noticed a pattern, and it held up. It's up to you to break that profile down by proving it wrong. Hey--it's your choice. Ya wanna whine about it, or do something about it? Oh, that's right--whining is easier.

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"If it's not one thing, it's two."

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Originally posted by kuru:
this is going to sound bitchy, but i have little or no sympathy for those who knowingly do something that is illegal and then whine about how mean the cops are after they get caught. if you took your chances, and you got caught, it's not the cop's fault.

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I agree. It's like speeding. You know its wrong and that you can get a big fine for it and yet people get pulled over as whine "i can't afford to pay this ticket". If you couldn't afford it why the hell did you breakt he law in the first place??? Now I speed like crazy but if I get caught its my own damn fault and I will pay my ticket and take it like a responsible adult...after all I was the one who was speeding thus breaking the law. Right? Right.

As for asshole cops, the only asshole I ever ran into was when I got into a car accident. I slid on some black ice into oncoming traffic and everyone stops but this idiot in a minivan so just as I'm about to get control of the car again he tried to beat me and smash I t-bone him. So the bitchy cop shows up puts both of us in the back of her car and gets our statements. I was freaking hysterical since it was my first accident and it was bad (car was written off). She lets the guy I hit go tells me that I won't get charged since it involved "environmental circumstances" then proceeds to yell at me about how I could have killed someone, like my little brother who was in the car at the time. Okay lady! First off you said it wasn't my fault then you are telling me I could have killed my brother all while I'm crying hysterically cause I'm in serious shock and pain!!!! What a fucking bitch! Thankfully in my experince the assholes are more an exception then the rule.

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If the world were perfect would we be happy?

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Originally posted by Jynx:
Ya know, Avalanche, et all, yer so right. Those cops are SO worthless. I mean, what do they do, really? I mean, besides that 'Protect and Serve' thing, which is really overrated anyway. I mean, who really wants to feel safe?

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Brilliant, Jynx. Truly edifying.

And you know what? You're absolutely right. Cops are just poor, oppressed servants of the people, at the mercy of us vicious, insensitive boors who can't give them the proper respect for doing their miserable jobs.

I mean, this whole LAPD Rampart scandal...well, that's just a big hoax! Attention was being driven away from our lovely city, so we cooked up a BIG cockamamie story about crooked cops who shoot innocent people, steal and sell drugs, plant evidence, and rape the justice system. We even took it further by actually exposing some of these pigs and giving them a fair trial! Ha! And get this: they were convicted!! Some of them even confessed!!!Now, that's a good gag, dontcha think?!

So, let's all agree with Mr. Jynx here - the humanitarian, utilitarian savant who explained that since the Cops act as a scare tactic against violent index crimes, we people should love and respect them. So purge your minds of Rodney "who cares-he's Black" King, Ruben "the Hurricane" Carter, Det. Mark "KKK" Fuhrman, beaten foreigners passed out in a pool of blood on the side of the freeway, and all of the other noble acts the police are responsible for.

Let's forget the bad...because there's a trifling amount of good.

Thanks, Jynx. Infinite, undying thanks.

don't give me that shit about being nice to them and treating them like humans. i do that, i say yes sir/no sir, i don't yell, i don't tell him he is wrong, but ya know what? they are still assholes! can you say power trip?
for the majority of them that is.

some are "alright". some understand. some can handle the situation fairly and in a way that does the most justice to all involved. too bad they are few and far between.

cops don't make me feel safe. me and my knife (unsharpened, really it is(if i was old enough i might have a gun, but i doubt it)) under my mattress is better than a damn power tripping cop with a gun trying to shoot up my house to stop someone from taking my tv (thats not the greatest example)

my point: cops (good or bad) still "take out the trash." the bads ones just "create" more of it.

i don't think i made any sense there
i quit smoking so i'm half way out of my mind right now

This message has been edited by pengu1nn on October 17, 2000 at 01:17 PM

Whiskey, that's a BRILLIANT idea--let's take an exception and apply it to the entire community. Of course, if I did that, then I'd have to assume that every single high school kid is creating and executing an elaborate plan to murder as many people as they can before committing suicide.

Perhaps, however, it might be more accurate to say that a specific police force, a.k.a. LAPD, seems to have a problem. Yes, I agree that there are some cops that are total jerkoffs. I agree that some cops are crooked, and only some of those have been caught. However, I maintain that applying the exception to the majority of the group is wrong.

I also maintain that your attitude, under most circumstances, will dictate how you are treated. Yes, there are exceptions, but more times than not you can influence the encounter, for good or ill.

--J

Basically you are the little boy who does not realize the great service thats being provided. Sure there are some asshole dead-turtle fucking cops out there. Ive have indeed met a few. But then there are those that risk their lives daily for others for pretty shit pay, and abuse from assholes like you. I was in a car wreck 6 years ago, and i had my nappy ass hauled out of the car by a really nice ""pig"".

The point being that gross-generilations do not make assholes out of others, but only your self. be a bit more specific in your critisms there pally.

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"When you get to hades, pray that I've just eaten..."

Aside from Voltaire's feelings towards pithy idioms, birds of a feather really do flock together, and people are routinely judged by the company they keep.

Think about this: in the above example regarding the four kids, the presence of a multiple lighters was used to infer cannabis use. Maybe the cop was right, maybe he was wrong. Either way, he shouldn't have made that conclusion. What if the kid collected lighters? What if he had some obscure use for them? As extreme and unlikely as it may seem, I think the point stands clear - the cop used profiling as a bias. He based a standard of judgment on the kid from a stereotypical notion he carries about weed smokers.

As a Los Angeles native, I do the same with the police. * One bad apple ruined the entire bunch, and when coupled with the unchecked amount of badge-flashing, gun-waiving autonomy these cops have, I don't trust any of them. If you can't trust one, and you can't tell the good from the bad, then logically you can't trust any of them...

...those which are not your friends, are truly your enemies.

*edit: Yeah, I know it seems hypocritical...but if they're doing it, so am I.

This message has been edited by whiskey@throttle on October 18, 2000 at 07:02 PM