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Forum: Rants Topic: People who tell you to commit suicide started by: Evil_Monkey Posted by Evil_Monkey on Sep. 01 2000,23:27
People who do this really need to grow up. If someone is depressed and they are told to "do the world a favor and commit suicide", it really doesn't help at all. And I really feel sorry for people that think it's funny, cause it's really not.
Posted by Hellraiser on Sep. 02 2000,00:17
I doubt most people who say it think it's funny, or even mean it. However, you do have a point: it's not something to say to someone who's feeling depressed, and probably should never be said at all. I think we all need to resolve to think more about what we say before we blurt it out: as me mum used to always say, "a little oil of courtesy makes everything run a bit smoother." Sorry for making that comment, Evil_Monkey, I know it's no excuse, but I didn't realize you were feeling depressed, and I chose an inopportune time to vent frustration. I shall try to be more civil in the future, as you suggested. Posted by Rhydant on Sep. 02 2000,14:47
speaking of suicided...does anyone live in North San Diego County? if you, you may of heard of the guy who jumped from the 78 over pass this past weekend. pretty sad. 3 failed marriges, an alcholic, go-nowhere-job, i feel sorry for the bastard ------------------ Posted by Sithiee on Sep. 02 2000,19:14
isnt it a bit selfish to commit suicide in the first place? its not like theyre the only one it affects, theres all their friends and relatives, who obviously dont mean much if theyd rather take the easy way out of whatever their problem is. suicide is among the more selfish things people do...
Posted by Rol3x on Sep. 02 2000,21:27
ya but if their friends and relatives are the ones fucking up their lives and making it misreble for them, then wheres the problem?
Posted by kuru on Sep. 03 2000,05:06
having had a friend who did commit suicide, i'm faced with an attitude about it that shocked me, and causes most people to think that i'm an insensitive asshole.i'd NEVER suggest to someone that they kill themselves... but over the time since he died (it'll be four years in december) i've started to think that preventing a friend who really truly wants to die would be a cruelty. if life is torture, and a friend wants out, i'll tell them i hope they don't, and that i love them and would miss them..... but i can't imagine myself forcing them to stick around. i kind of think it'd be selfish of me to try to force them to live a life they find nothing but misery in just because i'd miss them when they're gone. granted, i don't ever want any of my friends to kill themselves... but i no longer have it in my heart to inflict the misery onto someone of making them live a life that's not worth it to them. i'll probably get a lot of negative response for that.. but before you start flaming, remember this: i would TRY to talk them out of it, i would TRY to tell them that life is worth it, and i would never, ever give up trying. in the end though, if they're my friend and i really love 'em, i have to respect their decision. ok. sorry to babble and dump that all out here. i just needed to say it. ------------------ Posted by cefx on Sep. 03 2000,19:19
I saw fuck them, they wanna be stupid enough to kill themselves, let themThey'll regret it at the last moments of their breathing Posted by jrh1406 on Sep. 03 2000,22:59
It depends on how old the friend is, I had a friend try to commit suicide over a girl and he was 18 at the time. I don't care how fucked your life is, if you're not even 20 yet and want to commit suicide i will drag you kicking and screaming away from the idea, there's just too much to life to die so young.
Posted by nobody on Sep. 04 2000,01:29
quote: And that is why you SHOULD help suicidal people... They WILL regret it, that is almost 100\% certain, yet without help they won't get the chance to get past whatever problem is causing them to want to die. Letting anyone you care about kill themself is absolutely unconscienable... Believe me, even if they say it's what they want, they will eventually be thankful for being saved. Posted by Willy Pete on Sep. 05 2000,09:37
This is one of those cases where a few of you might want to bite your tongues in the future.My uncle decided to throw himself off a motorway bridge with a rope round his neck one new year's eve. My dad had a depressive period where he even considered taking a few too many pills. It seems a manic depressive streak runs in the family. My grandpa (dad's side) tried shooting his wife in a marketplace and then turned the .22 on his head. Too small a calibre to kill either of them, but it's proof of the fact that it's inherent and genetic. Sometimes you can't fight this kind of depression. At least now I know what it might be should I get that way when I'm older. Summary: It's NOT fucking nice to say this to the depressed party, even if you feel you've done what you can and feel drained by trying to help them and tell them they're great. You can't fight a chemical imbalance. A few supplements sorted my dad out. That's all he needed. ------------------ Posted by Bozeman on Sep. 05 2000,12:31
THANK YOU Willy Pete! You have said what I believe, that insanity is a diseae and not "a personal problem." The insane need treatment, not abuse from peers.
Posted by Hellraiser on Sep. 06 2000,01:04
I want to say that this is not at all the direction I wanted this thread to go when I replied to Evil_Monkey. (except maybe the last two posts). And anyone who thinks you should let depressed people kill themselves is crazy. When joking to friends, or venting at someone, remarks like that may come out even if I don't mean it, but the reality is that every life is precious, and if a person is feeling depressed to a point that he/she wants to commit suicide, they need help! you should not just stand there and let them do it! are you crazy? I guess I already said that.
Posted by kuru on Sep. 06 2000,15:51
hellraiser: what about terminally ill people who are suffering and in immense pain? should they have the right to decide when their life is no longer worth it to them?------------------ Posted by demonk on Sep. 06 2000,16:59
I agree with kuru. I live in Oregon and we have a doctor assisted suicide law that lets people like the one kuru mentioned end their lives more humane. There's a term for you: humane. We are more humane to animals then we are to humans. I agree that people with chemical imbalances need treatment and that their problem is correctable. I also agree with if you are young you have every reason to not kill your self. If you depression is chemical or personal in nature, then you need to seek treatment. If you are dying from a disease or injure that can't be cured and are in a lot of pain, then you should have the right to end the suffering. Of course these are just my beliefs. But most of the arguments againts doctor assisted suicide come out of religious reasons that only God can decide when we die. News flash, that argument died the moment life support was invented. We have been dictating when people die for a long time. The only difference now is that we stop causing unnessesary pain. I guess I got a little off subject here. To get back on subject, yes people who tell others to commit suicide are just assholes and need to go jump off a bridge.[This message has been edited by demonk (edited September 06, 2000).] Posted by kuru on Sep. 06 2000,20:38
the only thing i was tryin to get across is that the nobody can decide for another person that their life is worth it. i couldn't possibly encourage someone to kill themselves, because that'd be me telling them that their life isn't worth living. and i cant force them not to kill themselves, because that'd be me deciding that their life is worth living. maybe i think the way i do because of the friend of mine who did kill himself... because after four years of rehashing it all over and over again, i had to accept the fact that NOTHING i said was going to change his mind. yeah, ok, so we could've had him involuntarily committed to a mental hospital and took away all his dignity as a human being with the freedom to seek out his own destiny. they'd have forced him to spend another 2 weeks living a life he hated, and either let him out.... or because he's a 'danger to himself', cage him up like an animal for the rest of his life, making what's already torture to him another degree worse. it's not an easy situation, but the best i can think of is to not do anything that makes them kill themselves, be a friend and be there for them if they choose not to, and if they choose to do it, try not to be mad at them. or yourself. ------------------ Posted by Hellraiser on Sep. 06 2000,21:17
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I'm not particularly interested in participating in an ethical debate on this subject: too many toes to tread on. Posted by kai on Sep. 06 2000,21:31
I live in the suicide capitol of the united states. Seriously i'm not kidding. We have the highest sucide rate in the nation. In the two years i've been in high school 7 of my classmates have killed themselves. Every once and a while we get some tv crews and they come up here and make a little video. A couple of months later you see a new video at the rental stores that is a "free rent"
Posted by Sithiee on Sep. 07 2000,00:33
what city is this?
Posted by whiskey@throttle on Sep. 07 2000,05:11
True Story:A friend of mine was once a Deputy Sheriff. There was this guy (a "cry for help" type fellow) who repeatedly crawled up the side of a bridge, threatening to jump. Naturally, he needed attention. Family troubles, financial hardship, and a whole slew of other crap most of us don't have the burden of dealing with had plagued this guy for quite some time. So he'd climb up, make a fuss, and pretend like he was going to plummet into a watery grave. Well, every time this would happen, the Sheriffs would have to stop traffic, counsel him from afar, and basically give him the attention he needed. But one day, my pal saw him up on the bridge before anyone else. Stopping his car in the road, he blocked off oncoming cars as he walked up to the guy. And he said: (paraphrased) "Listen buddy, you come here every fucking week, and you cause a big fucking hassle, and you ruin everyone's day. I'm getting off work, I've got shit to do, and I'm not dealing with your fucking bullshit. If you're going to jump, then jump. If not, then get the fuck off and go home. Stop wasting my time." So the guy jumped. They found his body three days later. My pal didn't go into work for a week. Morale: Sure, most people don't want to kill themselves...they just need attention. But there are two ways to every street... ------------------ Posted by Rhydant on Sep. 07 2000,14:06
this is sorta like tht one episode of Star Trek Voyager where Q wants to kill himself because he's immortal and lives forevere, but is so damned bored and seen everything, there is nothing left to do. so another Q comes to stop him because no Q (where do they get these names?) has ever done this, and theyre afriad of what might happen. yeah, yeah, i know, dumb. go ahead, kick me now
Posted by kai on Sep. 07 2000,21:51
pierre
Posted by reman on Sep. 08 2000,03:43
How come all the scuicides? is it really that depressing to live where you are?I know perhaps it's snowball effect...one person kills themselves, which makes two friends depressed and lonely, they kill themselves, and so on and so forth. regards, reman p.s. don't kill yourself ------------------ Posted by Sithiee on Sep. 11 2000,19:53
what did eminem do to promote suicide??
Posted by morganisms on Sep. 11 2000,20:20
nothing to do with alpha centauri, my names morgan =)and eminem is always talking about suicide and killing people. granted he doesnt do it as much as alot of other "musicians" I just dont like him cause of all the crap he talks about, like killing his babies mother? what the hell, its in every other song I hear of his. Ask me she looks pretty damn hot! he is a lucky basterd that will never ever get lucky again! who would ever want to be married to him? [This message has been edited by morganisms (edited September 11, 2000).] Posted by morganisms on Sep. 12 2000,05:06
Heres somtin messed up, this guy who's dad is pretty famous in our city was driving with his dad down the freeway, sumtin happened and he pulled over, he got out of the car and got a gun, shot and killed his dad and killed himself. WTF is our world coming to? and one more thing, I like lots of different music, but damn, how the hell can people think that some musician telling people to kill themselves is ok? Just like eminem, what an asshole!
Posted by morganisms on Sep. 12 2000,05:15
One more thing! addiction and insanity and depression for the mostpart IS NOT a disease, its a CHOICE. yes some peoples genetics make it easier for them to get addicted or to get depressed, and maybe go insane, but its still a choice, saying its a disease is just an excuse, its a way for society to put the blame on something other then themselves! god people, if somone is depressed, something is obviously wrong, they need help and love!
Posted by Bozeman on Sep. 12 2000,05:33
I still think it's a disease, but they do need help. Kudos, morganisms.P.S. your name have anything to do with Alpha Centuri? |