Forum: Rants
Topic: what the fuck is it with raves
started by: Rol3x
Posted by Rol3x on Aug. 05 2000,01:18
what the fuck is it with kids who go to raves, suck on pacifiers, drop acid and E while they wear all these fruity multi-colored bracelets instead of doing what every real american teen should be doing which is going to kegs and getting shit-faced or smoking a bong, none of this E shit with no-dose or sniffing shit in bags, or rubbing that robitussin gel shit or whatever on your eyes, i dont know. what the hell is it with these kids? can someone explain it to me? i see kids in my town running around with capes on, (guys mostly, and thats even worse) with carebear shirts on and peirced nuts an scrotums an shit, there are guys at my school i hear about telling kids they got their nuts peirced or something. seriously, am i the only one who notices these screwed up people? if so, can someone explain this crap to me?
Posted by Sithiee on Aug. 05 2000,03:42
i hear you man. i see the people, and its really hard for me not to stare. we all want to, its the same reason people slow down to look at car crashes, someones life has gone horribly wrong. i dont get it, is sucking on a pacifier while wearing a spiked collar sposed to say something to teh general public? "im an individual just like my 10 groupie individual friends, who dress and think exactly like me!!!"
Posted by Firefox on Aug. 05 2000,04:02
I don't go to raves, so maybe I shouldn't be one to comment, but generally I don't care how other people choose to live their lives... just as long as they don't piss me off or otherwise effect me negatively in any way (and if they do, I will probably let them know...)

To be honest with you, I find wannabe "gangsta-g's" way more offensive than ravers. At least ravers are generally passive and peaceful, and don't think that if they start talking about "poppin' caps" and "pimpin' ho's", then people will like and respect them. (Not that the gangsta wannabes actually do that kind of stuff... they just want people to think they do.)

But as I said, I don't go to raves, so I guess I can't really say from experience.

(Have you guys ever seen the movie "Go"?? I thought it was really good. Plus it had Christopher Walken in it. Woo hoo!)

-FFox

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Posted by Happyfish on Aug. 05 2000,06:58
Firefox, are you a Prophecy fan?
And Go was pretty cool.

As to doing E, it does have it's side effects. A friend from work has being doing it almost every weekend for the past year and a half and he says he has anxiety attacks, paranioa and significant memory loss. Just stick with acid

Posted by jrh1406 on Aug. 05 2000,07:17
What's really fun is when the gangsta-g wanna be's are white suburbanite kids who live in quarter million dollar homes
Posted by Sithiee on Aug. 05 2000,15:16
at lunch last year at school, there was an entire table to white middle class gangstas near where we sat. we were always making fun of em behind their backs...it was so funny. if youve ever seen a whigga yell "Yo, G, wassup?" i think youd understand. jesus these people are funny.
Posted by Ozymandias on Aug. 05 2000,16:11
Dude, the Hardcore Wiggaz(, yo) who wear Fubu™ and listen to TuPac™ are at least FUNNY. The ravers are just idiots.

But at least around here the problem solves itself. You see, when you live near Detroit, this is what the ravers do: A bunch of white people from upper-middle-class, well-off, predominantly white, suburban neighborhoods will get together, and drive to some warehouse in the crackhead district. And here's the best part: They play, REALLY BAD TECHNO, LOUDLY, and flash BRIGHT LIGHTS, and scream a lot, and do drugs, and just generally draw attention to themselves. Needless to say, it's "quite a tragedy" on the news when a couple more ravers turn up dead.

Like I said, solves itself.

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Posted by Rol3x on Aug. 05 2000,16:39
well about the Tupac shit, i listen to him, i listen to tons of rap, an im white as they come, but i think part of that is sitting here at my desk so much. anyways, i dont run around sayin yo g wassup an shit, but i do use some slang. but i know what you mean about stupid white kids who wear fubu shirts, baggy (im talkin real baggy) fubu or southpole jeans, an get this, this is what i really love, when i see a white kid. with a do-rag on his head, or even better, a do-rag and a baseball hat, but the hat is on crooked like he doesnt even know its there, it just fell onto his head and he didnt notice and left it there. its hilarious.
Posted by TonyDennis on Aug. 05 2000,21:37
Hahaha, it's not just white people, anyone who speaks in ebonics (naturally) is funny!

Ahhh shit, wat up!

-Tony

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Posted by Firefox on Aug. 06 2000,17:01
Hehehehe...

I know what you mean. You should see these fools who went to my school... "Yo, whas up... nothings.... sweet, yahs!" It's even better when these white homeboys start callin each other niggas' and brothas'... and yes, I've seen them do that before. How sad it that?

I enjoy how they show just how rough they have it, living in the bad parts of town and growin' up on the mean streets by purchasing "homeboy" clothing and merchandise worth 贄's of dollars.

And when will they figure out that FUBU stands for "For Us By Us..." yes, that means black people.

But ce la vie, they can do whatever they please, JUST AS LONG as they don't piss me off badly...

-FFox

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Posted by Wolfguard on Aug. 07 2000,11:48
bah!

This is just more proof that the gene pool needs some 12 gage clorine.

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Posted by kixzor2 on Aug. 16 2000,10:13
I have been to Raves before, and yes I do enjoy going to them. But heres the thing:
There are heaps of stoopid ppl who do go around suck on pacifiers, drop acid and E while they wear all these fruity multi-colored bracelets. BUT thats not the case most of the time.

I DESPISE cheesey handbag 'techno' thats made for teenybopper tryhard plastic ravers.
The good stuff is mixed by hand, using vinyl and turntables, for ppl who are serious about dancing and don't give a shit if they don't look like a neon christmas tree.

I think the pacifiers are to stop them biting there tounges when they're running around tripped off their face.

I don't know that's just my 2cents.

Posted by Firefox on Aug. 16 2000,19:13
Yep. The reason lots of them suck on a pacifier, or a candy or something is if they didn't they would probably bite the hell out of their mouth when they are high on E.

But now it's probably just become a fashion statement.

-FFox

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-NOFX

Posted by Wolfguard on Aug. 17 2000,11:15
again, just proof that the gene pool needs some 12 gage clorine.

Just think guys, you think the planet is fucked up now? Just wait till these fucknuggets become the leaders of tomorow.

Scared yet?

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Posted by hyperponic on Aug. 17 2000,14:57
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfguard:

Just think guys, you think the planet is fucked up now? Just wait till these fucknuggets become the leaders of tomorow.

I think that idiot judge from caddyshack said it best: "Well, the world needs ditchdiggers, too!"

Posted by Wolfguard on Aug. 18 2000,09:54
I saw that last night too. Funny thing is that is the only part i saw last night before i went off to the bar.

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Posted by psychopharmacologist on Aug. 19 2000,04:43
1st of all, "GO" sucked.
Its was a horrible movie specificaly "aimed" at an audience. Any movie like that is shit. And there are absolutely no ravers like that, and thats not what raves are like.

ravers are part of the same decadent counter culture movement like hippies. If u've ever been to a rave, its like a religios ceremony. Like chanting monks, or tribal dances. Its the same thing.
and ppl with capes/peircings/ etc...
Well u're just jealous, cuz u want to be just like them... But its ok, dont worry about it, it doesn't make u any less "cool"

Posted by Sithiee on Aug. 19 2000,20:43
whether or not Go was a realistic movie doesnt matter. it was really funny, and it was awesome cause they told it from the 4 different points of view. if you didnt like it simply because it didnt show ravers in the way you think they should have, then you are fucking close minded. thats like complaining about wild wild west because the stuff that happened in it was so very unlikely (giant spiders and such).
Posted by Firefox on Aug. 19 2000,21:46
quote:
Originally posted by psychopharmacologist:
1st of all, "GO" sucked.
Its was a horrible movie specificaly "aimed" at an audience. Any movie like that is shit. And there are absolutely no ravers like that, and thats not what raves are like.

"GO" was great. Not as a "RAVER" movie, but it wasn't supposed to be a "Raver" movie. Sure, the kids in it went to a rave and were dropping E and everything, but honestly- how much time in the movie was actually inside the rave? Like 5 minutes? It was just a specific character group and setting the writers felt would work well with what they were thinking about. The Christopher Walken plot line had virtually nothing to do with a rave, and neither did the "trip to Los Vegas"...

Sithiee is right... saying "Go" sucked because it improperly represented ravers would be like saying "Pulp Fiction Sucked" because in real life, hitmen would act differently or something... that's not the point. The thing that makes movies like that so cool are the intertwining plot lines.

-FFox

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Posted by Rol3x on Aug. 25 2000,18:40
anyone seen the movie kids? i barely remember what i did see of it. but i heard it was supposed to be good, and then found out it wasnt as good as people said. and i cant belive that kid raped that one bitch. and it was fuckin funny yet somewhat mean when they beat that guy to death with the skateboards. personally, if i was a black guy and some punk white kids started hitting me with skateboards id go ape-shit on their cracker-asses and beat the fuck out of them. but im not black and no one has hit me with a skateboard...................... yet.
Posted by The_Hiro on Aug. 26 2000,04:42
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Originally posted by Rol3x:
and i cant belive that kid raped that one bitch.

Geez. Are you trying to be offensive? Why was Chloe Sevigny's character a 'bitch'? Because she was too naive to see through Telly's act? Because she got tripped out? Because she couldn't defend herself against Casper?

Honestly, do yourself a favour and think before you swagger. I know it's hard to resist the temptation to use swear words - they make you look really cool and tough. But believe it or not, they can also make you look idiotic.

Posted by Rol3x on Aug. 26 2000,20:11
whoa you have totally annalyzed my comment way beyond the point you should have stopped. i referred to her as a bitch because i can and because her character came across to me as being somewhat bitch-like. casper was an idiot but he spiced up the movie a lot. christ i barely remember the movie and as for being big and tough, i dont feel i have to worry about that. im quite confident in my abilities to handle myself considering and quite athletic and i lift weights. being big and tough is really not something i strive to be. also, no i am not trying to be offensive but you can perceive it as so if it makes you feel better. why are you defending that poorely made low-budget movie anyways? do you 'identify' with the plot and its characters and thus feel that anything remotely insulting directed at the movie is also being directed at you or something?
Posted by The_Hiro on Aug. 27 2000,00:15
KIDS was overrated, but I think it deserves points for addressing important social issues (e.g. how the absence of parental figures is detrimental to the development of children).

As for my previous comments, it appears that I was a bit ambiguous. The primary reason I thought your statement was dumb was because of the way you phrased it. Choosing to call Sevigny's character a 'bitch' makes it look as if you condone her getting raped. I find it hard to believe that anyone would condone rape for any reason... perhaps you do.

Rather than assuming you condone rape, I chose to conclude that you were simply calling her a bitch out of habit; judging from your other posts you seem to like to swear. That's fine, but I wanted to point out that in certain contexts swearing looks idiotic.

That's what my previous post was meant to convey, but didn't. Ah well.

Posted by Rol3x on Aug. 27 2000,02:41
frankly it bothers me that you would even consider that i would condone rape. its almost sickening. i already explained why i referred to her as a bitch. of course swearing profusely can definatly portray someone as being an idiot. however as you can plainly see or at least i would hope so,i am far from it. though i guess its really a matter of opinion. anyways, swearing and talking like i normally do is much easier for me because it takes less time, and its easier on the majority of the readers/listeners because the majority of people who read/listen to my context are not exactly gargantuinly endowed in terms of brain capacity. still i fail to see how my calling her a bitch provoked you to believe i was condoning her rape. maybe you could explain this to me.
Posted by The_Hiro on Aug. 27 2000,22:40
Probably because it's not uncommon for people to say of the rape victim, "Well, she was a slut..." and they leave the blank for you to fill in, as if the rape victim's promiscuity makes it right that she got raped. I thought that your comment might be a new variant on that old sentment (i.e. if sluts deserve to be raped maybe bitches do too).

But I thought that the chance of your actually thinking that was remote, since it seemed so hopelessly immoral. The only other logical explanation I could come up was that swearing is a habit for you, and you got carried away and didn't notice that you'd insulted the rape victim in the same sentence you'd talked about her rape (which, as I explained above, can be misconstrued as excusing the act of rape). I wanted to bring your attention to that fact. I'm sorry that I wasn't clearer as to my intentions.

Posted by Hellraiser on Aug. 28 2000,01:21
Rape is definitely a serious subject, and when referring to someone who was raped one would be advised to refrain from making derogatory remarks or using derogatory terms. “Bitch” could definitely be said to be such a term. That said, I sincerely doubt that when people call someone a bitch or slut they mean that that person is deserving of being raped. No one in his or her right mind would think such a thing.

However, it is a sad statement of our society that calling someone a bitch or a slut is so common place. There are other less offensive and more appropriate words to use when referring to a female of the species Homo Sapiens: i.e. girl, woman, chick, or if the person is deserving of a higher level of respect, lady.

It is also a sad statement of our society that it is acceptable to use swearing and foul language without provocation, or as filler words in sentences. In fact, in some circles it is even considered “cool” to do so. The next time you feel compelled to use one of these words, it would be wise to first consider how suitable the use of the word is.

Posted by Rol3x on Aug. 28 2000,03:34
ok well i read your reply posts, then messed (was going to say fucked in stead of messed) -messed around on my box and talked to people on AIM, so ive forgotten what you said. but i dont condone rape, and like i explained before, i swear when im around other guys like myself because they think it sounds cooler, i personally dont give a .... peice of stool. heh. anyways, if it offends any of you or is perceived as annoying, ill keep it to a minimum, although i suppose some of it is habit, not much though as when im around family i have the respect not to swear at all. ive got friends whos familys swear more then their kids, and they arent the type of family you would associate with that type of behavior, theyre perfectly normal other then the swearing.
oh well.
Posted by Hellraiser on Aug. 28 2000,10:21
I have no problem with foul language: hell, I use it myself frequently. What I do have a problem with is the excessive use of it that is prevalent in our society today, and people who use it as filler in a sentence that conveys just as much meaning without the word as it does with the word. For instance: "I f*cking loved that f*cking movie, we'll have to see the f*cking movie again some f*cking time." Almost 1/4 of the words in that sentence were F-bombs, yet there are people who talk like that every day, and worse, people who use that level of language in forums, on IRC, etc where there is even less of an excuse for it. I'm not pointing at anyone in particular here, just trying to make a point: if you could swear less out of habit, and more because the situation provoked it, we'd all be better off.
Posted by Sithiee on Aug. 28 2000,12:37
well if the movie was a porno, then there is one fucking in the sentence that did make sense...
Posted by Hooker With A Penis on Sep. 05 2000,04:07
Candy kids , they make me want to vomit...
"look at my glow sticks!!!" while i'm trying to get my grove on with some hot little raver chic that wants my to rub her back b/c
she is on X and really needs attention and of course the friendly neighborhood Hooker comes to the rescue. "wanna see my glow sticks?" kickin to tha curb time...

Nooge

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Posted by Bozeman on Sep. 05 2000,12:38
About raves: I have a friend who is a raver. He is going to work in CVS photo for the rest of his life.
About foul language: I agree with Drummond's viewpoint from Inherit the Wind. There are so damn few words in the english language that everyone under stands, so use them whenever you can.

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Posted by kuru on Sep. 05 2000,15:19
i don't go to raves, and i don't see what's so damn special about them. those of you who think they're like religious ceremonies, i would really like to know what churc/temple you've been going to. i have strong opinions about shit like burning up your brain taking E or lsd or anything else that causes you to act like a general asshole and be a danger to yourself and others. it's your body, do your drugs if you want, but don't be surprised when people tell you that you're being stupid.

there's nothing individualistic or enlightening about going into a warehouse with a couple thousand overindulged upper-middle class spoiled brats who wouldn't know culture if it bit them in the ass. then again, it's not entirely their fault... i mean, where the hell are their parents?

someone's letting these kids go out there and act like heathens all night long, swallowing whatever pills the shady character with the chemistry set cooked up... someone's been letting them get away with having way too much freedom for way too long.

i'd like to smack most of these parents when they get on fuckin dateline nbc and cry about how their 'good kid' went out to a rave and died there because (s)he was 1) a moron doing drugs and 2) somewhere (s)he didn't belong anyway. these aren't "good" kids, they're committing felonies and considering a "really fucking cool party"

yeah, i'm a little hostile about this... i just can't stand people who try to be individuals by being exactly like all of their friends, and who want to be treated like adults and respected, but refuse to show any of the responsibility and maturity that comes with it.

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Posted by Sniper3k on Sep. 10 2000,23:52
quote:
Originally posted by Ozymandias:
Dude, the Hardcore Wiggaz(, yo) who wear Fubu™ and listen to TuPac™ are at least FUNNY. The ravers are just idiots.

But at least around here the problem solves itself. You see, when you live near Detroit, this is what the ravers do: A bunch of white people from upper-middle-class, well-off, predominantly white, suburban neighborhoods will get together, and drive to some warehouse in the crackhead district. And here's the best part: They play, REALLY BAD TECHNO, LOUDLY, and flash BRIGHT LIGHTS, and scream a lot, and do drugs, and just generally draw attention to themselves. Needless to say, it's "quite a tragedy" on the news when a couple more ravers turn up dead.

Like I said, solves itself.


You all are confusing ravers with "scaters". Ravers are hardcore partiers. We go to parties at night/morning and we get a little bit blown. I dress like a normal person, I act like a normal person, and I enjoy the fine art of gaybashing (not real gay people, people that have chains falling out of their pockets so fucking low that they trip on them. people that have their nuts pierced with sperm falling out of them. people that wear bike chains around their necks and think they are "styling".). Its all good, ravers are just people that hang out at a good party. Skaters and punks are who you should be bitching about.

Posted by Bozeman on Sep. 11 2000,00:14
FUCK YOU. Some of my best friends are skaters and punks, and they are not the assholes you describe. Skaters are NOT the fubu wearers. Punks do NOT drip sperm from their scrotum. Gay bashing sucks, and ravers, well, one I know is pretty cool, (see above) but some I see treat everyone around them like shit. Prejudice sucks.

To reiterate, FUCK YOU.

Posted by morganisms on Sep. 11 2000,16:57
All right! there is nothing wrong with G's, skaters, punks or whatever, its just the people who take things to the extreme and act like morons! and all this about raves, I've been to raves, I like em, but cant stand tweakers! and thats what those acid and coke and x droppin fools are! tweakers! all these raves are the same, too many tweakers! I went to rave, this same guy asked me 20 times if I wanted some special k, or coke, or x, stupid asses take drug cocktails, morons, I just want some damn weed!

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Posted by whiskey@throttle on Sep. 12 2000,05:41
Fuck raves. I'm probably getting a reputation for being an aging nostalgist, but raves have transformed...much like the Internet.

The first rave I went to was in 95: it cost บ (with a discount if you brought canned food for chairty), had some killer djs and live acts, had a real lovin' vibe, and one of the guys slangin' e gave discounts to those who could answer his trivia questions (i,e - what was the name of rosco coltrane's dog on Dukes..)

The last rave I went to (and will ever go to) was in 99. It cost ษ plus Ű for parking, had stale djs playing the same old house shit (though there was some wicked drumnbass), cops were cruisin the party, the e being sold was either bunk or overpriced, and I hated it.

Oh, by the way

quote:
Quite a long time ago, Firefox wrote:
Have you guys ever seen the movie "Go"?? I thought it was really good. Plus it had Christopher Walken in it.

Christopher Walken isn't in "Go."

Posted by cyph0r on Sep. 12 2000,21:13
Are there black prople who go to raves? No, seriously, i'm black and just wondering
Posted by aventari on Oct. 05 2000,06:15
Sure they're are i've seen a lot of black people at the rave's i've been to. It's cool, they're usually better dancers than the rest of the people there, which is usually very cool to watch :]

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Posted by Lordbrandon on Oct. 05 2000,16:42
quote:
Originally posted by whiskey@throttle:

The first rave I went to was in 95: it cost บ (with a discount if you brought canned food for chairty), had some killer djs and live acts, had a real lovin' vibe,

hell yea when i went to raves in high school raves were 10$, 5$ before 11 and the atmosphere was like neo hippies with modern clothes and music, and you chould get e for free, not these crappy high priced factory raves they have now, with expensive consession stands. what happend to free bagles and water?

Posted by Mahdimael on Oct. 06 2000,23:30
The only reason I object to raves is because it seems like a very artifically preserved happy feeling, suspended only because of the E and other drugs and stuff. Like the people go to the raves dressed specifically as if they were going to a rave, and nobody gives a damn what anyone else does, merely because everyone is too damned high to care.
I would like raves a lot more if the goodwill was genuine.

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Posted by CatKnight on Nov. 07 2000,02:23
wtf is the deal with XTC? especially the home made shit. its like, who can kill the most braincells the fastest? why? whh...why?
Posted by Crafty Butcher on Nov. 09 2000,13:13
OK OK you lot have only had 'rave culture' for a few years but really, given that you invented the music, i'm surprised to find so many people who don't get it. Music and drugs (and by that I mean alchohol 2) is a winning combination. People have been at it since there were first people. Rave is just one facet of it. There are hundreds of forms of music (even hundreds of forms of dance music) most of which are enhanced by some form of narcotic and are all cool in their own right, even if you don't happen to like them. OK ravers of the cheesy/plastic variety are louder and more annoying than most, but that's just cos they're personally, actually, unimaginative cunts who feel the need to escape their own mundane lives- it's got nothing to do with raves/dance music/drugs. It is possible to like the music you like, do the drugs you want, know the people you know and not be a twat.
Any of you in SanFrancisco check out the Sticky Trumpets - they'll explain this better than I can in this little post. They know what they're doing.

As for the scare stories about ecstasy ppl have seen fit to post - take some responsibility. If you know something about the physiological effects of ecstasy you can comment - otherwise you're just repeating the propaganda + gossip put about by media/govt/your mates. Drugs aren't bad - drug abuse is.

oh and raves are just as good as they always were - there are just good ones /and/ bad ones now. ppl didn't bother with shit ones at the start.

Posted by kuru on Nov. 09 2000,15:26
the physiological effect of any drug that alters brain chemistry has the potential to produce serious harm. ecstasy works on the seratonin levels, and as we all know, when an artifical source of something the body produces naturally comes along, the body stops producing its own. this alteration of the brain chemistry, over prolonged use, eventually means that the seratonin level produced by the brain naturally is not enough to stimulate proper brain function, thereby causing the need to take the drug to operate normally. this dependence upon the drug to produce normal function of the brain is also known as 'physiological addiction.'

the short form: if it fucks with your brain chemistry, it can FUCK UP your brain chemistry.

see, some of us do know about physiology and the effects of chemicals on it... otherwise known as toxicology.

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