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Topic: bandwidth bullshit
started by: CatKnight

Posted by CatKnight on Oct. 20 2001,22:58

In our building, we often (16 hours a day) have horrible bandwidth problems. The reason is mainly due to idiots who run kazaa and upload/download at rediculous speeds, using maybe half of the entire building's bandwidth individually. We just had a meeting with an OTC representitave on what to do about the situation. I reccomended that we limit everyone's bandwidth to 256/256 or 512/512, which is more then enough speed for anyone. Then this one bitch was complaining about how her class requires her to need several megabits of bandwidth to do her homework. I was like WTF stop being a selfish bitch! Bah! I just hope they fix the situation soon. When I play counter strike, my ping is often over 450 with 10\% packet loss due to idiots like her hogging bandwidth. A lot of people can't even get their email. It's fucked up.

Posted by miNus on Oct. 21 2001,00:02

I think the more humane thing to do would be to set 1/2 the bandwidth aside for your CS playing, 1/4 aside for all other stuff of yours, and the rest for the remainder of the campus.

Posted by afropik on Oct. 21 2001,00:41

quote:
When I play counter strike, my ping is often over 450 with 10\% packet loss due to idiots like her hogging bandwidth

So, what's more important?

-CK's ping in Counter-Strike
-Homework

You bitch that people are abusing the bandwith, yet you're playing COUNTERSTRIKE.

A bit hypocritical, no?

Edit: really should have read miNus' reply before posting

This message has been edited by afropik on October 21, 2001 at 07:44 PM

Posted by incubus on Oct. 21 2001,00:42

No, that's overly unfair.

Out of the 1/4 for the rest of the campus, you could take a half of that and set up a pr0n ftp.

Posted by shifter on Oct. 21 2001,00:43

Hey CatKnight:

Posted by TallAssAzn on Oct. 21 2001,01:31

quote:
Originally posted by shifter:
Hey CatKnight:

ROFLMFAO!

I have to agree with CatKnight, though. Not about the importance of his CS ping (damn, just use 56k; I get lower pings than that) or that girl's homework... 256/256 or 512/512 is plenty. Especially for someone like me, who's used to 56k. :-D

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Posted by demonk on Oct. 21 2001,01:47

I can't even think of any class that would require a student to send so much information for their homework on a reqular basis that they would need to take up half the building's bandwidth. Classes like that have special workstations (i.e., video and computer graphics) where the students would do their work, and they would provide zip disks or such so students could do their work at home if they want to. That girl just doesn't realize that even if it is at 256/256 or 512/512 it will only take her a minute or two to transfer a few megs.

We are currently having a problem on my campus as well. Basicaly, we have so many people on our network that we are trying to use more than double our bandwidth. They solved that problem (somewhat) by putting in a packet shaper. Now, the web packets (HTTP and such) are given the highest priority, and then whatever is bandwidth is left is divided up among the Morpheus, Napster, CS, etc packets. Tell your tech people to try something like that.

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Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Oct. 21 2001,02:22

we solved that problem at work by banning Hotline etc. outright. Then we set up the routers to block any traffic on the default ports of those programs and send an alert to the network staff if someone tried to use 'em.

That solved the problem almost immediately. And we didn't have to install a cruel packet raper or otherwise limit the bandwidth of the 99\% of network users who were reasonable.

Posted by askheaves on Oct. 21 2001,02:30

Hey, yeah. What kind of major would a girl be in that would require that sort of bandwidth? She should get out of the way of the boys who actually need it.

Posted by nobody on Oct. 21 2001,02:30

My campus has some bandwidth problems too. We currently give top priority to HTTP, Instant Messenger, IMAP email, and maybe one or two other things. Any other traffic shares whatever bandwidth is left over.

Downloading over HTTP, I can get speeds of around 150 k/s, but Morpheus rarely goes over 2 k/s. Counterstrike works ok though, ping is usually <100 and packet loss about 20\%.

Posted by Nikita on Oct. 21 2001,02:37

I betcha she was put in charge of a sorority's internet livecam skank operation ... pussies galore! barely legal bitches! orgy in our sorority! there she blows!

Posted by miNus on Oct. 21 2001,03:04

I was thinking the exact same thing, Nikita.

As they say - Great minds think alike

Posted by aletros on Oct. 21 2001,04:39

/me gives askheaves some asbestos underwear.

Posted by CatKnight on Oct. 21 2001,04:41

quote:
Originally posted by miNus:
I think the more humane thing to do would be to set 1/2 the bandwidth aside for your CS playing, 1/4 aside for all other stuff of yours, and the rest for the remainder of the campus.

ok dumbass did you read what I wrote? I reccommended bandwidth limitations (packet shapers), because of a few individuals who use 90\% of the bandwidth. I think that is somewhat selfless.

That girl is a chem-e. I think she just doesn't understand the terms kpbs and megabits, etc. When I even mentioned the term "download limits" she went berserk. As it is now, in our building, any one person can download a file at 10 mpbs, if no one is on. That uses 100\% of the building's bandwidth. When 20 people leave kazaa running, that uses 70-80\% of the building's bandwidth constantly. That's why we need to limit download speeds (currently, only total uploads are limited to 1.5 gigs per week). By limiting total speed per user, everyone will end up getting a fair share.

We will also be getting our 10 year old hubs replaced with fast switches (๠,000 job) in the next couple years (by the time I move out). This, along with the packet shapers, aren't being set up due to bureacratic red tape.

Posted by ic0n0 on Oct. 21 2001,12:48

Catknight is paying (or parents are) paying tuition and bandwidth is under what you get for your money, it should at least be fair, equally divided between ports in the building. After all college is more than school it's living conditions also. Thank god i don't live in the dorms.

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Posted by ic0n0 on Oct. 21 2001,12:51

Or you can log all the things people download in the building and charge them acording to data downloaded that way people who use little will pay less, heh.

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Posted by just_dave on Oct. 21 2001,15:15

the last college I was in, we had a linux firewall in every dorm. All firesharing programs were blocked and the Network Admin seen the requests if someone was trying to run napster or some other program. So it really wasn't that bad except people complaining you couldn't download porn. I didn't live in the dorms but I worked in the IT while I was there... it was rather funny. But on a second note the linux firewalls in the dorms even eliminated cross talk between buildings.. dorm A couldn't windows file share with dorm B .. it was quiet sad...

Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Oct. 21 2001,17:16

again, I'd like to voice my opposition to packet rapers. A decent, managed switch will be able to tell who's hogging the bandwidth, at which point a simple phone call will usually solve the problem.

I know, because last week I used a managed switch to track down a broadcast storm that was fucking up all 10mbit devices on my lil' portion of the network... it turned out to be a piece of equipment used by the Networking Department. They turned it off ASAP

Posted by just_dave on Oct. 21 2001,19:58

quote:
Originally posted by CatKnight:
I don't think penn state is willing to spend $x*E7 for linux firewalls in every one of 15,000 dorm rooms.

Agreed but we only had four dorms and not one in every dorm room.. it was one for every dorm building, so it wasn't much at all we just harvested previous upgraded workstations. Cost wasn't an issue.

This message has been edited by just_dave on October 22, 2001 at 03:00 PM

Posted by EvilGenius on Oct. 21 2001,21:20

here at my dorms, they just restricted all uploads. i can barely upload pictures to people via email.. can't send them over IM, well, it's possible, but you have to time it right for when no one else is uploading anything... i told the head assistant here for the IT systems he was an idiot, and that a 3 year old baby could run it better. everything's all fucked up over here.. the head guy, who actually knows what to do, has to do what some dean says about the dorms, and since when i pay my fees it has nothing to do with the IT systems, i cna't complain formally.. so, i suggested to some other people for us to petition to get the rights to run wires out of our rooms and just go with AT&T's T1 service.. which has no problems around here. of course, it'll only run me 贬-趸/month... *shrug* it's only cash.. but hey, i need my porn.

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Posted by The_Stomper on Oct. 22 2001,05:50

Hell, I'd kill for even a constant 256/256. My speed fluctuates like crazy - and if I go over 300MB total transfer in the past 7 days, I get put on the "restricted access queue" - which is slower than even a 56K. For some reason, my CS ping is unaffected by it (60-100ms, <10\% packet loss).

I think you're right about the chem-e girl being a clueless ditz though. She probably thinks that bandwidth means the total amount you're allowed to download. Here's a quick conversation outline you should try with her.

Ditz: "I need to have lots of bandwidth to download all these files."
CK: "No you don't. Are you a fucking moron? It'll still only take two minutes at 256k, and everyone else will have bandwidth too."
Ditz: "No! I need all the bandwidth! These are really big files!"
CK: "Do you even know what 'bandwidth' means? Shut up!"

Read some BOFH ... I'm sure there's a solution to this (arbitrary bandwidth switching based upon favourtism )

Posted by CatKnight on Oct. 22 2001,05:50

I don't think penn state is willing to spend $x*E7 for linux firewalls in every one of 15,000 dorm rooms.

quote:
Ditz: "I need to have lots of bandwidth to download all these files."
CK: "No you don't. Are you a fucking moron? It'll still only take two minutes at 256k, and everyone else will have bandwidth too."
Ditz: "No! I need all the bandwidth! These are really big files!"
CK: "Do you even know what 'bandwidth' means? Shut up!"

that's pretty much what I said, only instead of just her saying "No! I need ...", it was most of the people from the IST floors. Ironic how the IST majors are THE most computer illiterate people on campus. I'll save that for another rant, another day, however.

This message has been edited by CatKnight on October 22, 2001 at 12:53 PM

Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Oct. 22 2001,13:37

jesus just buy your pr0n if you have that much cash to blow

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Posted by WillyPete on Oct. 22 2001,14:34

Solution:
ping <she-bitches_IP_address> -t -l 65500

Need I mention to do it from and unmanned workstation?

Then try your argument again about limiting traffic. they try it out. You go to workstation and hit CTRL-C and she's back to happy. Converted to load management.

Posted by CatKnight on Oct. 22 2001,16:03

heh last night I went to schedule my classes at the computer lab (I simply could not access the elion server from my room due to enormus lag). I tried pinging my puter from there, and got an average of 700 ms with 15\% packet loss. I could have ran back to my building faster then the packets were getting there.

by the way, I have a question. It seems like while playing CS, browing the web, downloading pr0n, whatever, that often it will be going nice and fast, and then it will suddenly (key word) jump to rediculous lag/slowness/gayness. It seems to me that this can't be the cause of the onset of peak times, because this happens instantly, not gradually, and at random times. Is it possible this is due to a single bandwidth hog that happened to turn on his/her kazaa sharing at that moment? It often lasts all night, which leads me to suspect that it is someone leaving on unlimited file sharing overnight.

Posted by veistran on Oct. 22 2001,19:49

I'd say the "idiot(s) leaving unlimited file sharing on overnight" theory is the most likely answer, that or they're running an ftp dump.

Posted by CatKnight on Oct. 22 2001,23:48

I just tried to ping my room mate.

code:


C:\>ping <his IP addy> -n 50Pinging <his IP addy> with 32 bytes of data:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Reply from <his IP addy>: bytes=32 time=411ms TTL=127
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
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Reply from <his IP addy>: bytes=32 time=581ms TTL=127
Request timed out.
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Reply from <his IP addy>: bytes=32 time=520ms TTL=127
Request timed out.
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Reply from <his IP addy>: bytes=32 time=701ms TTL=127
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Ping statistics for <his IP addy>:
    Packets: Sent = 50, Received = 4, Lost = 46 (92\% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 411ms, Maximum =  701ms, Average =  44ms

Posted by CatKnight on Oct. 22 2001,23:51

I'm thinking of launching a DoS attack on that bitch, and a few other suspects. Next best thing to knocking on their door, gestapo-style! I just need to figure out how to do it so I don't get caught. They can trace it back to my computer, and if I do it in a lab then they will trace it to what user was logged on.

Posted by veistran on Oct. 23 2001,00:35

you could always loiter in the lab for a while see if anyone forgets to log-out and go from there.

Posted by shifter on Oct. 23 2001,08:43

CK, what OS do they use in your labs? You could go password fishing and crack with l0pht or something. That's what I do on all the machines at school to get the faculty email addresses and send dirty emails from the head of math department. Just paying her back for a shitty grade last.

Posted by CatKnight on Oct. 23 2001,11:39

wow shifter, not only do you blame your math teacher for a bad grade, but you enacted revenge upon her? I'm sorry, but that's really retarded.

btw they use win2k

Posted by syf on Oct. 24 2001,00:56

Yeah, she was a real hobag. Imagine a dickless version of Hitler. Some metnal problems, I think.

Posted by just_dave on Oct. 24 2001,05:29

quote:
Originally posted by CatKnight:
btw they use win2k

maybe some idiot forgot to disable the guest account??

Posted by incubus on Oct. 24 2001,05:34

quote:
Originally posted by CatKnight:
wow shifter, not only do you blame your math teacher for a bad grade, but you enacted revenge upon her? I'm sorry, but that's really retarded.
btw they use win2k

When you two finally settle down (and get married) all you realise you need to do is cut the network cable going into her room. Cos we know its just a floor tile you can lift up and get at. Or have I worked at an ISP too long lol

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