Forum: Rants
Topic: I want my Foreskin Back!
started by: ic0n0

Posted by ic0n0 on Aug. 22 2001,04:33
I want to start an organization to end forced circumcision of babies, because most of us never had a choice to be cut or not, and I can honestly say I would have not been cut if it was my choice. I think we should petition the government to pass a bill to outlaw the circumcision of children because they really didn’t have a choice. I want my foreskin back; I never got to use it.

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Posted by Dark-Angel99 on Aug. 22 2001,04:46
Why do you want it back? I think they look alot better circumsized, but thats just my opinion.

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Posted by Tattered on Aug. 22 2001,04:57
I remember a movie where a guy fashions a fake foreskin so that no one knows that he's actually jewish... anyone know which movie this was?
Posted by YouGunnaStopMe? on Aug. 22 2001,07:01
I'm circumsized, and have no regrets whatsoever. In fact, I'm glad it happened when i was a kid, then i dont have to do it when im older.
Posted by CatKnight on Aug. 22 2001,11:18
if you still have your foreskin then sex is more pleasurable because circumsizing causes a lot of the nerve endings to die or be covered with scar tissue. but from what I've heard girls think uncircumsized looks really weird so you're probably better off.
Posted by DuSTman on Aug. 22 2001,11:24
Don't know about the USA, but in the UK it's only really done if it's in your religion to do so..

Girls wouldn't think they look wierd if they'd seen more uncircumsized wangs.

Besides, penises look wierd either way when you think about it..

There are also some medical circumstances when the removal of the foreskin is necessary, such as phimosis, where the foreskin is painfully tight. Along with the loss of sensation circumcision causes, I believe theres also an increased risk of infection..


Posted by Dark-Angel99 on Aug. 22 2001,15:44
The reason they circusize guys is because if they don't it can get infected really easy! They are not doing it just cause it looks better!!

Dustman - Everytime I look at your name I think of one of the guys on the game Torment!

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Posted by Nikita on Aug. 22 2001,16:04
here ya go ... onion bloom type thing ...
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Posted by Cyrino on Aug. 22 2001,18:25
Methinks that ic0n0 got some shotty crown work.
Also, it is a lot better to get cut when you're younger, my cousin had to go through it when he was like 16 (because of medical reasons Mr smarty-pants j0eSmith), he went through a lot of pain that would have been avoided if it was done just after he was born.

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Posted by j0eSmith on Aug. 22 2001,19:00
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrino:
Methinks that ic0n0 got some shotty crown work.
Also, it is a lot better to get cut when you're younger, my cousin had to go through it when he was like 16 (because of medical reasons Mr smarty-pants j0eSmith), he went through a lot of pain that would have been avoided if it was done just after he was born.


Okay, okay. I should've said "in most cases".
But on that note, we can live without our tonsils, and sometimes they get infected and must be cut out. Should they be taken at birth too? What about our appendix?

What about arms, fingers, feet, etc that can become infected or develop other problems and hence require amputation?

and most guys SHOULD clean down there. If they don't, then they're grimey bastards.

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Posted by ic0n0 on Aug. 22 2001,20:00
Most of the anti-foreskin information is propaganda, religion is one thing but since when is it considered normal to cut off a peace of yourself preemptively, my ear might get bitten off by a dog let's cut it off so it doesn't happen. I just think not giving someone a choice is wrong. For Christ sakes it’s there penis not yours.

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Posted by demonk on Aug. 22 2001,20:16
Ya, but until you are 18, you belong to your parents. Plain and simple.

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Posted by Dark-Angel99 on Aug. 22 2001,21:01
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Originally posted by demonk:
Ya, but until you are 18, you belong to your parents. Plain and simple.


EXACTLY!

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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 22 2001,23:08
quote:
Originally posted by Dark-Angel99:
Alot of guys probably don't scrub down there and clean it good, and if you are not circumsized it may be harder to clean.


erm its not really that hard to pull it back when u in the tub or shower. its not like its some kind of industrial strength elastic that u need a car jack to pull it back.

yup its true circumcision has fuck all medical benifits.

gonna get scientific here. i find it acts as a good capacitor for flow rate when i go for a piss if i piss with it pulled back i have no control and it comes out too fast. with it "in place" i have no problem (except when u go for one on a hot day and the end gets stuck together from sweat

and if u dont like un circumsied dicks. u can easily pull it back and it looks the same.

plus the all time favourite use... to be able to transport your "load" after a good session in front of the pc without spilling a drop before reaching the toilet

plus is it me or did your bell end start out folded down at the edges and kind of opened out as u hit puberty?

hmm cant think of any other weird and fucked up points for now.

and i dont care what anyone says my dick belongs to ME whether i'm 18 or not! They may take our allowance but they'll never take our FORESKIN!!!

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Posted by porn_dealer on Aug. 22 2001,23:32
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Posted by psychopharmacologist on Aug. 23 2001,00:57
actualy circumsition was first used by strict religious groups to make masturbation more difficult.
Posted by justcozz on Aug. 23 2001,02:11
quote:
Originally posted by TheTaxMan:
Have you ever gotten soap in your penis?

OWW!!

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
...i find it acts as a good capacitor for flow rate... (except when u go for one on a hot day and the end gets stuck together from sweat)

plus the all time favourite use...

plus is it me or did your bell end start out folded down at the edges and kind of opened out as u hit puberty?


I have noticed that it protects the part of your skin that would be rubbing in you shorts all day makeing it really sensitive. (The tip)

Pinch the "tube" great flow control.
Or it gets stuck if you've been at it for a while...

Pinching the end don't work to well when you have a huge load...

"bell end" I don't remember that long ago but... Yeah...

A person I was talking to said

quote:
"I once had sex with an uncurmcised man. I had no clue what to do. All my 'land marks' were gone

She was mesmerized when I told her that I was.

Point of story: It's diffrent. Some like it some don't

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Posted by Nikita on Aug. 23 2001,02:24
quote:
Originally posted by justcozz:

Some like it some don't

some like it cut,
some like the fold,
some cut it up a LOT, as Bobbit told.

*shiver*
I wonder how functional he was after it was reattached ... or did they graft an inflatable dildo on him?


Posted by j0eSmith on Aug. 23 2001,05:06
quote:
Originally posted by Dark-Angel99:
The reason they circusize guys is because if they don't it can get infected really easy! They are not doing it just cause it looks better!!

Dustman - Everytime I look at your name I think of one of the guys on the game Torment!


Actully, thats just a widespread LOAD OF SHIT! It doesn't 'get infected really easy'. As long as your somewhat hygenic and do something I like to call "wash it" once in a while, your okay.
(note: This can also be applied to the rest of your body)
There've been many medical studies done that show cirucmsision has ABSOLUTLY NO MEDICAL BENEFITS.
Why are they still done? Can anybody say 'tradition'?
Also, I'm uncircumsized, thank you.


on another note, Torment is a wicked game

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Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Aug. 23 2001,05:07
The more nikita posts, the more I like her.
Posted by Dark-Angel99 on Aug. 23 2001,05:08
Alot of guys probably don't scrub down there and clean it good, and if you are not circumsized it may be harder to clean.

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Posted by TheTaxMan on Aug. 23 2001,05:48
... and it does infct easily because it's harder to clean than most places on your body. Have you ever gotten soap in your penis?

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Posted by Greasemonk on Aug. 23 2001,09:27
Id rather have the "helmet" than the "ant-eater". Its more sensitive, easy to keep clean, and looks more like a long thick bullet than some wrinkly skin hanging from my crotch. You can also go deeper during sex because since the skin is tight there is no extra skin blocking the path. About the comment about using it as a cum receptacle, umm no thanks a tissue or a chics chest will do just fine.

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Posted by ic0n0 on Aug. 23 2001,12:11
hehehe cum receptacle that's funny, that reminds me of a george carlin joke.

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Posted by justcozz on Aug. 23 2001,14:32
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Originally posted by Greasemonk:
Its more sensitive...

Umm... If I get something between the 2 pices it hurts. (foreign object, Boxers.) How can you say that something that has been tormented by the inside of your shorts is more sensitive than something that has been covered all it's life?

I'm not sure how true this is but I heard that circumcision was started by the tribes that lived in the desert because it's harder to clean things in the desert and getting sand in there would hurt... I really have no clue.

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Posted by Rhydant on Aug. 23 2001,15:21
whats the bloody difference?! a penis is a penis anyway you look at it.
...or something...
hell, i dont know which is which.

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Posted by jay on Aug. 23 2001,15:34
Tattered,
i dont know what movie your talking about but there was an episode of "friends" where the guy Joey was trying to get a part in a movie and he would be naked but the part for the movie the guy couldnt have been cicumsized so he trys to make a fake foreskin using shit like silly putty and various meat products
(p.s. so what i watch friends..fuck you)
Posted by The_Stomper on Aug. 23 2001,16:36
I won't speak for you, Greasemonk, but when I bump a chubby, there ain't no "extra skin" there - at least, according to my girlfriend. There's no extra skin because I'm ... let's see ... proper Canadian simile for being well-endowed ... hrm ... "hung like a moose" - yes, that will do - because I'm hung like a moose.

</Brain>

/me wonders if circumcised guys have smaller dicks, cause Mr. Phallus is afraid to grow or he'll get cut down like the tip did...

<Brain>

Can't argue on the "cum receptacle" idea though. Geez, DKB, can't you use a friggin' Kleenex or something? Besides, if you only shoot enough to fill the tip, you've been spanking it far too often. That, or your nuts are just the size of juniper berries.


Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 23 2001,19:45
haha so we're gonna have the age old pre pubescent arguement about who can squirt the most jizz huh? i think not. and circumcised lets you penetrate more?!?! WTF when u get a stiffy the skin gets pulled back anyway! and how a few mm's of skin is gonna hold up against the force of your whole body weight i dont know. unless you're fucking a 12 year old with a a twat tighter than shrews pussy! and it hurts like hell if i catch the "hole" on anything. i dont want to let me dick end turn to sandpaper in order to stop that from happening thankyou. i'll stick with what mr evolution gave me cos i think he knows a bit more than some stupid jewish tradition

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Posted by Greasemonk on Aug. 24 2001,11:36
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Umm... If I get something between the 2 pices it hurts. (foreign object, Boxers.) How can you say that something that has been tormented by the inside of your shorts is more sensitive than something that has been covered all it's life?


Im confused, my dick feels fine in my shorts, boxers, or whatever. I dont feel tormented or that my life is in crisis if I shift a certain way in my seat.

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haha so we're gonna have the age old pre pubescent arguement about who can squirt the most jizz huh? i think not. and circumcised lets you penetrate more?!?! WTF when u get a stiffy the skin gets pulled back anyway! and how a few mm's of skin is gonna hold up against the force of your whole body weight i dont know. unless you're fucking a 12 year old with a a twat tighter than shrews pussy! and it hurts like hell if i catch the "hole" on anything. i dont want to let me dick end turn to sandpaper in order to stop that from happening thankyou. i'll stick with what mr evolution gave me cos i think he knows a bit more than some stupid jewish tradition.

Im not Jewish and I dont think too many people that are will like that comment. I just stated my opinion and experiences, thats one of the problems with some people in these forums. They get stuck on their posts so much they dont respect anyones opinions or posting styles. I dont care if you are uncircumcized or not. I was just posting my opinion like alot of other people do. If you dont like my opinions get Crobar to make you moderator so you can edit everything you dont like. Otherwise you are just a leet haxor just like everyone else.

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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 24 2001,12:46
well didnt it start off as a jewish thing? i'm sure a few other religions picked it up on the way as well though. i dont see how people could not like that comment. i mean no one exactly gets up in arms about saying that painting sheeps blood around your front door to prevent the seven plagues is a bit stupid in todays day and age.

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Posted by TheTaxMan on Aug. 24 2001,13:27
I wasn't cirumsized becasue I am jewish. I was circumsized becasue it's the standard in the US (it is more sanitary).

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
i mean no one exactly gets up in arms about saying that painting sheeps blood around your front door to prevent the seven plaques is a bit stupid in todays day and age.


I dunno, ask a dentist.
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Posted by cr0bar on Aug. 24 2001,14:11
Let me be the first to remind you that humans evolved with the foreskin. It's only "more sanitary" if you have very poor hygiene.
Posted by ic0n0 on Aug. 24 2001,14:39
Most males in the U.S are cut, it doesn't have anything to do with ones jewishness.

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Posted by justcozz on Aug. 24 2001,14:39
quote:
Originally posted by Greasemonk:
Im confused, my dick feels fine in my shorts, boxers, or whatever.

Roll the skin back stick part of your boxers on it then roll the skin down it hurts. It don't feel good. If your circumcised then you have had that skin exposed to everything since you were little. It is used to that. If you grow up with something covering it for your life then it hasn't had the chance to get as tuff. Think of it in comparison to the palms of your hands verses your arm. You use your hands to handle stuff every day not your arm's. Did I make a point? I'm not going to say that one way is better than the other, just that one has been exposed to the elements for it's whole life and one hasn't.

quote:
Originally posted by cr0bar:
Let me be the first to remind you that humans evolved with the foreskin.

Exactly

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Posted by CatKnight on Aug. 24 2001,16:12
that's an interesting point and relates to what I was talking about before. Because circumsized penii are exposed constantly, they develop tough unsensitive skin on the outside which makes sex less pleasurable.
Posted by justcozz on Aug. 25 2001,03:44
quote:
Originally posted by CatKnight:
...circumsizing causes a lot of the nerve endings to die or be covered with scar tissue.

But from what I've heard girls think uncircumsized looks really weird so you're probably better off.


Yeah. Except I don't think that the nerv ending would change. Rather our mind takes the constant signals and disregards them. If you watched porn 24\7 eventually you would loose intrest, same thing. (K maby not intrest, but you get the point.)

I guess some girls find it repulsive but then it's diffrent so you have some that would be curious.

Ok i'm done that's my Ũ.08

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Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Aug. 25 2001,04:13
Without weighing in on either side of the argument - mostly 'cause I don't give a shit - I'd like to point out that just because something evolved doesn't mean it's automatically better than something synthetic.
Posted by TheTaxMan on Aug. 25 2001,15:26
My point is that ten year olds don't have good hygiene.

*conclusions drawn*

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Posted by askheaves on Aug. 25 2001,18:15
I'm personally glad mine is gone. I have a very pretty looking wang, and I would hate to have the procedure done, like, this week. I plan on cutting my children as well. Don't have more to say on the subject, except that I'm happy they made the decision for me.
Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 25 2001,23:22
quote:
Originally posted by TheTaxMan:
My point is that ten year olds don't have good hygiene.

*conclusions drawn*


how many gurls give blowjobs to 10 year olds? (LHD being the exceotion ) so why the hell does that justify having it chopped off

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Posted by YouGunnaStopMe? on Aug. 26 2001,09:39
I'm with heaves on this one.
Glad it was done when i was a kid, no regrets.
Posted by Trog on Aug. 26 2001,10:33
I'm not going to quote the people up above who wrote things like "No Medical Reason", etc.

The research that conclusion was based on was done 30-40 years, ago. This research has since been revised, and medical opinion is split, worldwide. Before posting opinions on this subject, I suggest you read some of the research. There are arguments including lower rates of infection, lower rates of infection with STDs, *significantly lower risk of prostate cancer*, and *significantly lower risk of cervical cancer is partners*.

Medical opinion is still divided as to the best course, but it's definitely no longer a situation of "No Medical Benefit"

I got cut, and I'm glad of it

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Posted by Greasemonk on Aug. 26 2001,12:04
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Originally posted by YouGunnaStopMe?:
I'm with heaves on this one.
Glad it was done when i was a kid, no regrets.

Im with both of you too. Im glad im cut and thank god the doctor gave enough skin-slack to stretch. I do hear its harder when you get cut later in life. I dont know why people get pissed at others, its their parents who make the decision to cut/not cut them. Give them hell and rude comments, not me...Plus I dont know if there is really a medical benefit. Its mostly the parents decision to tell the doctor to have it cut.

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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 26 2001,16:56
well if its more hygeinic for people who dont wash down there so much then that must mean they still wont wash down there even more if they did get cut cos they would be told that it makes their dick more healthy!

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Posted by demonk on Aug. 26 2001,19:00
Guys, listen to what was said above. They have found significant reductions in things like cancers and other such health issues. It's not just about hygein anymore! And I can attest, as a little kid (4~8) I didn't really clean down there very well. In out society, it is viewed as dirty and ichy to be touching down there. Well, little kids take this to heart(most of the time), so it shouldn't be supprising that most don't devote time and energy to cleaning down there.

Being circumsized is a good thing. It causes your nerve endings to more active during your life, thus making your brain filter out some of them. This means that it takes longer for you to orgasm during sex. To women, longer = better!

So what are the pluses for each?

Cut:
Reduced health risks(cancers, etc, read above post)
Reduced hygein risks (becomes moot ~9 years old)
Sex lasts longer (should be the clincher)

Uncut:
More skin (that's about it)

I don't really see what all the fuss is about. Really, seems more like a rant that parents get to make the choice for you when you are a little kid than it is a rant about cut vs uncut.

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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 26 2001,19:55
yes but you're missing the most important point! they cut part of ur fucking dick off!!!!

EDIT: once its gone u dont get it back!
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Posted by demonk on Aug. 26 2001,20:05
And your point being? I'm sorry, but I have yet to hear a logical, well thought out argument for going uncut. But I have hear many logical, intelligent arguments for getting cut, some big reasons, some small reasons, but all with merit. The basic argument from the uncut camp has been this:

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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
they cut part of ur fucking dick off!!!!

This is turning into the Mac vs PC debate! You will never be able to convice the one side that the other has a valid argument. So, with the power invested to me by the owner of this board(ie, NONE), I hearby end this thread. Any posts after this one will are just figments of your imagination and should be ignored. Good day.

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Posted by askheaves on Aug. 26 2001,21:52
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Originally posted by Greasemonk:
Its mostly the parents decision to tell the doctor to have it cut.

Not that I want to make this the debate, but as long as my parents are legally allowed to abort me, they're definitely legally allowed to make this relatively minor decision.

Being cut later in life is a lot like getting wisdom teeth out... you put it off, it may not be necessary, you know you want it done, but you don't want to go through it.

That Married with Children episode... was Al cut? or snipped?


Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 26 2001,22:06
quote:
Originally posted by demonk:
blah blah blah i'm so great cos i missing my skin flap


you cant escape that easily mr. do you really want to risk infection in ur bell end and have it cut off cos of gangrene when the op goes wrong?!

erm i'd like to see some documented proof that it will reduce the risk of prostate cancer cos i dont see how.

u want logical arguments go fuck mr spock and ask how it was for him. you expect logical arguements when we're talking about peoples dicks. oh sure they LOOK logical but deep down its just denial that you want ur foreskin back but cant have it so u have to go campaign saying its "ok" to go for the chop. how the hell does the psycological issues get cancelled out just cos its supposed to be healthy. hamburgers arent good for me does that mean i should stop eating them! NO cos they're nice! same goes for foreskins...in a roundabout way i'm not saying i like to eat foreskins or something.
jesus next thing ya know its gonna come into fasion to have the snip. christ almighty.
i have no doubt that getting a bit of smeg on your bell end is just as unhealthy as letting your japs eye bounce about in your boxers so it can get clogged up with god knows what u have lurking in your boxors. hellmabye you havea risk of get some sort of infection from the chaffing. when i'm in the swimming pool i feel a lot safer knowing i got an extra layer of skin to protect me from that veruca virus seeping outta some kids foot who just swampast me.

NOW U CAN CLOSE THE THREAD IF U WANT! that is if you're SCARED!

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Posted by demonk on Aug. 27 2001,02:38
ROTFLMAO

Man that was some fun shit! I'm going to be laughing at that for the rest of the night.

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Posted by Greasemonk on Aug. 27 2001,10:49
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Originally posted by askheaves:
Not that I want to make this the debate, but as long as my parents are legally allowed to abort me, they're definitely legally allowed to make this relatively minor decision.

Being cut later in life is a lot like getting wisdom teeth out... you put it off, it may not be necessary, you know you want it done, but you don't want to go through it.

That Married with Children episode... was Al cut? or snipped?


Actually I was thinking of that one episode of Southpark where Kyles little brother was getting circumsized hehe....

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Posted by DuSTman on Aug. 27 2001,11:34
quote:
Originally posted by demonk:
Cut:
Reduced health risks(cancers, etc, read above post)
Reduced hygein risks (becomes moot ~9 years old)
Sex lasts longer (should be the clincher)

Uncut:
More skin (that's about it)


Health risks: For women there's always a risk that they will develop breast cancer, and yet how many of them chose to have voluntary masectomies to make sure this doesn't happen? A negligible amount. In the strictest sense of the word, only 20\% of our organs are absolutely necessary. Why not have the rest removed - if they're not there they can't cause you any problems, can they? This seems like the same argument to me as pre-emptively removing the foreskin.

Hygeine: Roll skin back, rinse with warm water. That will pretty much take care of it. How hard is that? That said, I'm the poster child of poor hygeine, and have never had any problems caused to my dick by it.

About sex, well, the only person who can really say in which condition it's better is someone who's been cut later on in life and has had a before & after. The skin pretty much rolls itself back when you're erect anyhow. The question is more one of long-term effects. I would hypothesize that the extra protection of being uncut allows the glans to remain more sensitive. But it has been argued that you last longer cut due to the way it becomes a bit less sensitive - what would you rather, a bit longer, or a bit more feeling? I'd go for the latter.


Posted by demonk on Aug. 27 2001,14:46
See, I perfer the former. I can always get off, I'm a guy after all. We can come in our pants without any touching if we are turned on mentally enought, so the feeling isn't THAT important. But for women, it takes a little bit more. So, being able to last longer means that I can please my gf/lover/wife/whatever, longer, which means I'm more likely to get to do it again with them in the future because they enjoyed it.

It's a pretty moot point, IMO, about cut vs uncut. When it comes down to it, both have their pluses and minuses. But after everything is said and done, I would rather get cut while a baby and won't remember it than at 12/16/18/33/80/whenever when I will definatly remember the pain!

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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 27 2001,20:01
who says all women just want 100\% penetrative sex :

you can lick her out
fiddle about,
THEN blow yer spout
without any in or out.

psycological is it? so cut your dick off and then see if u can orgasm. so what your saying is that having less dick makes her cum for longer? well thats settled the "does size matter" argument then doesnt it

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Posted by justcozz on Aug. 27 2001,20:35
I don't think it really matters. Because most of the time the child is the same as the dad, it will take a while to have every one one way or another.

I'm goning to let my children stay the way they are.

It doesn't hurt anything either way. We were designed this way so I'm guessing their's a reason.

I like the fact that when a woman see's me it's diffrent (For most of them) yeah that could be good "wow i've never seen one like that..." Or bad "What the fuck is that! Get the hell away from me!" But my point is... I forgot... oh yeah it's diffrent. Atleast where I am. So... Yeah...

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Posted by demonk on Aug. 27 2001,20:36
Wow, this is fun. Let's see how much more BS we can come up with on this subject DKB. Am I just reading between the lines too much and seeing sarcasim/humor where there is none, or are you being totally, 100\% serious?

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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 27 2001,21:11
you have no idea do you demonk.

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Posted by TallAssAzn on Aug. 28 2001,01:13
Alright, I've still got all the equipment I was born with -- in its entirety. I really don't see the advantages of getting it cut. I also want to see proof of this supposed health benefit of cutting off that bit o' skin there. I don't see the connection. It's like cutting off my nipple and telling me it reduces my chances of getting breast cancer.

Now, as for hygiene, I've cleaned down there for as long as i can remember. I went in to the doctor's when I was like, three, and he tells me, "Clean it," so I did. No problems. Besides, you pull the skin back, and they look the same.

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Posted by Jynx on Aug. 30 2001,20:11
Jiminy H. Chirstmas, it's truly astounding how many misinformed people are out there.

My son is now 10 months old, and has been without his foreskin for 8 1/2 of 'em. I'm still of mixed feelings about it.

Fact: this procedure is strictly cosmetic. Insurance doesn't cover it. Doctors today bill it as a cosmetic surgery. I know this because I just had to deal with the payments a few months ago.

I dunno if I'm arguing for or against circumcision (or however that bloody word is spelled) here. Regardless, here is my experience with it, with as little editorial commentary as possible:

When we took our son K in for The Deed, we were still not totally decided. It was also a well-baby checkup, so the doc said that we could back out at any time, and we wouldn't have to worry about the billing bit. While we waited, we got to peruse the helpful info that the doctor gave us.

It was immediately clear that the clinic wanted us to be totally sure that this procedure was optional. The literature told us that there was exactly 0 proven negative side effects to having a foreskin, and when the doc came in, he said the same thing, adding "because you are circumcized, you may want to do it, just so that your son isn't self-concious about being 'different' from you."

Well, we talked a little more, and decided to have it done--he'd be happy about being the same as everyone else when he was a kid (he's gonna have a hard enough time with his name), and when he's old enough to maybe worry about it, hopefully reason will prevail.

My son loves our doctor, so he went with him with a smile on his face.

Many people say that the worst part about a bad experience is the waiting and the worrying about how bad it would be. We were thinking the same thing, because we were both worried.

We were wrong.

There are no words to describe the feeling of putting your baby, willingly, into harm's way. My wife plugged her ears and hummed, tears leaking out of her eyes, while I stood there and held her and listened to my son's wails that my wife was trying her hardest not to hear.

After about two eternities or five seconds, I'm not sure which, he was back. His diaper bulged too much in the front, and he clung to my wife and whimpered for several minutes. The doctor said that it went smoothly, and he should be totally healed in a week and a half.

For about five days, we had to coat the inside front of his diaper with A&D Ointment to keep the scab from sticking. For the first two, he cried when we changed his diaper. However, the doctor was right. After two weeks, he was totally back to normal, and didn't seem to remember the ordeal we had all went through.

Almost.

It wasn't until after the operation that K learned "that cry"--the one where he expells all of the air out of his tiny lungs in pathetic little gasps, and then pauses before drawing a full, broken-hearted breath. That cry was learned on That Day.

Now that it's done, I'm glad that I did it. He will conform to most of the young male population, and while it's fashionable to be "different" among high-school and after, it is NEVER fashionable from Grade 1 through, say, 9. K will probably not even think about it until he first encounters an uncircumsized child (or young adult, you never know). With luck, his weiner will never be a serious issue, ever.

That's what my rational head says. It's only when I remember the actual experience that I get tears in my eyes.


Posted by JLb_8 on Aug. 30 2001,20:24
since when does a foreskin get discussed as a fashion item. in my entire life i never had a conversation or heard one about someone saying having a circumscision makes u cool or whatever. i mean people who think that its even gonna come up are a bit deluded that their kid will get picked on for it. its just the whole idea of it seems pointless.

EDIT: how having ur dick chopped is supposed to conform to the resat of the male society is fucked up
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Posted by Dark-Angel99 on Aug. 30 2001,22:35
quote:
Originally posted by JLb_8:
since when does a foreskin get discussed as a fashion item. in my entire life i never had a conversation or heard one about someone saying having a circumscision makes u cool or whatever. i mean people who think that its even gonna come up are a bit deluded that their kid will get picked on for it. its just the whole idea of it seems pointless.

EDIT: how having ur dick chopped is supposed to conform to the resat of the male society is fucked up


I have heard plenty of convo's where guys get picked on because they are not cut.

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Posted by j0eSmith on Aug. 30 2001,23:24
What fucking demented world are you people living in where young boys (hell any guys) go around openly discussing and critizing other guys fucking dicks!

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Posted by justcozz on Aug. 31 2001,03:27
quote:
Originally posted by Jynx:
There are no words to describe the feeling of putting your baby, willingly, into harm's way. My wife plugged her ears and hummed, tears leaking out of her eyes, while I stood there and held her and listened to my son's wails that my wife was trying her hardest not to hear.


I hadn't planned on it but right now I'm really really not going to.

quote:
After about two eternities or five seconds[/B]

Yeah It doesn't take long but still.

Out of morbid curiosity, how much does it cost?

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Posted by Jynx on Sep. 05 2001,13:53
170$ US, in my part of the country.

The scary bit is that this really isn't that much when you're talkin' outpatient surgery.


Posted by MattimeoZ80 on Sep. 05 2001,19:00
赊?! to have someone cut.. er sorry, if I ever wanted to I shouldn't have to pay them 赊, they should pay ME.
Posted by Ozymandias on Oct. 14 2001,01:17
You foolish uncut apes, don't you know that it's a documented fact that having part of your dick cut off gives you hyper-intelligence, super-strength, the gift of levitation, and immunity to all diseases in the world?

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Posted by MattimeoZ80 on Oct. 14 2001,02:05
but you're still missing the point. gah, even if it had those perks i'd elect to be the way i am... then again probably not.
Posted by aletros on Oct. 14 2001,02:47
quote:
Originally posted by JLb_8:
since when does a foreskin get discussed as a fashion item. in my entire life i never had a conversation or heard one about someone saying having a circumscision makes u cool or whatever. i mean people who think that its even gonna come up are a bit deluded that their kid will get picked on for it. its just the whole idea of it seems pointless.

It's not probably a big topic of conversation openly at first. Little kids going to bathroom next to each other at urinals (short ones in elem school, say) look over, standing far away from, etc. Another notices "Look, K's weird!" thus begins the downward spiral and he's repressed and finally, when he's older, the worst case scenario occurs, and he becomes republican. Happy!? Look what you did! (not to offend any people or anything )


Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Oct. 15 2001,10:07
well as far as i was concerned at school the majority of people were not cut and if they were thats their problem for having stupid parents who think that it makes a blind bit of difference. if having it snipped reduces allt hese cancers and stuff dont you think it makes sense to just wait unitl the kid is able to make up his mind cos not many people suffer form those desieases at the age of 2! most parents should be worried about getting their child vaccinated or something slightly more constructive. and anywayz does being circumsised prevent death form anthrax? no case closed you're a mong faced muppet!

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Posted by The_Stomper on Oct. 24 2001,03:07
Ahem.

< This argument is OVER. >

Glad to be whole.


Posted by Rhydant on Oct. 24 2001,03:37
just for interests sake, is it possible to have foreskin surgicly re-attached?

can you say 'soldering iron'?


Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Oct. 24 2001,08:50
there was one "guide to better sex" on tv a few years back where a guy had invented a small system of weights to attack via a cup to you skin that gradually stretches the skin causeing it to "regrow" over your penis. dunno how effective it is but i'm sure there are some ways somewhere

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Posted by askheaves on Oct. 24 2001,17:01
The study was a British Study. If it were an American study, it'd be a wholy different result. Probably, if you were to do a Nigerian study, you'd find that women with plates in their mouths have more orgasms with men with with weights hanging from their balls.
Posted by Jynx on Oct. 24 2001,21:06
quote:
Originally posted by askheaves:
Probably, if you were to do a Nigerian study, you'd find that women with plates in their mouths have more orgasms with men with with weights hanging from their balls.

Yes, but you forgot to mention the part about the women with 10,000 rings around their necks being able to give better head, and how genital tattoos have a small but noticable positive effect upon orgasm strength and duration.


Posted by Dave-o-lantern on Oct. 24 2001,23:32
quote:
Originally posted by TheTaxMan:
Bahahaha...What a farce.
What did they do, stick two couples in a box and race them?

haha..race them..thats genius


Posted by TheTaxMan on Oct. 25 2001,05:14
Bahahaha...What a farce.

quote:
An added bonus: The uncircumcised men lasted an average of 4 minutes longer than their circumcised pals.

What did they do, stick two couples in a box and race them?

"In this corner, TURTLE NECK McDANIEL!
"In the other corner, MUSHROOM MAN!"

"Llllets get ready to rrrummmblllle!"

omg this is the dumbest thing ive ever read lol

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Posted by rufus on Oct. 25 2001,08:17
It's crap to say that doctors do it to prevent infection-- in the UK and most if not all of Europe, babies aren't circumsized unless they are Jewish and you don't see an epidemic of blooming onion penises in the country.

I reckon that it's a good thing to be uncircumsized because it makes sex more pleasurable which is really what it's all about! Who really cares if it looks nice...it don't mean a thing if your nerves are all dulled!


Posted by Greasemonk on Oct. 28 2001,02:41
Heh my nerves arent dulled one bit. Damn people still bitching about this? If you want to be uncut find a way to go back in time and talk to your parents before you were born. Tell them not to cut you. Dont get pissed because some woman wont date you because you are uncut. Talk with your parents, they are the ones who told the doctor to snip it!! I dont see where it really makes a difference if you are uncut or not. Either you got the Helmet or the Anteater. Whatever you have work with it!! If you dont like it stop bitching and do something about it.

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Posted by TheTaxMan on Oct. 29 2001,10:27
ooOOooOOooOOoo!

Yeah, lets talk about the Quantum Theory of circumcision!

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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Oct. 29 2001,21:32
makeing your jizz fire in a quantum state. using it as a atom laser made out of jizz atoms. hmm wonder what kind of diffraction pattern that would make. ahh who says science doesnt fuck your head up

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Posted by askheaves on Oct. 31 2001,04:01
I was talking to my ex this last weekend who just had a little boy last month. She said that the operation cost ~񘐜. Thank god for insurance! That's a hell of a little work for that much money.
Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Nov. 01 2001,12:30
waste of money if you ask me i can think of much better things to spend it on than slicing a little boys penis off

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