Forum: Rants
Topic: justice and forgiving
started by: LiNeY

Posted by LiNeY on Aug. 18 2001,06:08
This morning, my mom went on a trip, so while my dad got her to the station, I was supposed to make breakfast for my granddad at 8.30 am. My parents behaved rather ridiculously - telling me about 20 times to DO it, and not to forget it, etc. So I was already quite angry about the way they treated me...

This morning comes, my mom leaves. She wakes me when she leaves, I even get up and out of bed. Good bye scene. She and dad leave. I get back to bed (around 8 am), my alarm clock set to 8.30. My mom calls back "Don't forget to make the breakfast" I am like "YES DAMMIT I'LL DO IT!"

Next thing I know is, my dad is standing in my room asking with a rather angry voice "and, how was the breakfast?" So I startle, look upon my alarm clock and it's 10 am and the bitch hasn't rung. I of course jump out of bed and head to the kitchen, saying sorry and that I didn't hear my alarm clock. My dad basically threw me out of the kitchen, saying he could make breakfast alone, and that obviously just the parting of tasks didn't work etc. He hardly listened to me saying I was really sorry and that it was my alarm clock...

So, I decided to apologize to my granddad. I went to the living room and told him, I had had the intention of making him breakfast but I hadn't heard my alarm clock. He didn't take it seriously at all - just said it didn't matter and whether I'd at least slept well. So I started feeling a little better again, but the next second, my dad calls me from the kitchen. What I get to hear is "now it is one thing to do something wrong like that but then to go and TELL about it is stupid - your granddad hadn't realized at all that it's this late!" So that was about enough for me, and I said I didn't feel breakfast hungry, and ended up here.

Now, I feel bad about having made that mistake, and I really regret it, but it was sort of out of my range of power - I am a person who just can't get up in the mornings, and I went to bed at 4.30 am... so if my alarm clock doesn't ring/I can't hear it/whatever, I am totally helpless. But my dad is of course gonna tell my mom when she comes back and oh no I can't be forgiven when I say I'm sorry and it wasn't my fault. My dad takes the "I don't care why it didn't work and sorry can't buy anything - fact is, it didn't work and that's all that counts" approach. Now, there's gonna be the usual "young lady you're in front of the computer way too much and it's time you learn to help in the household and spend time with your family". I can understand them. But I am sorry to say, as things are currently I do not care too much for my family and being with them, and I have a feeling that that's mutual. I am 18, and I am trying to figure how to get my own life. Still being treated like a kid doesn't help, but oh well that's something that belongs in a different place...

Anyway, any of you who have an idea what I could do now, please tell me. Right now I am feeling like a bunch of shit because that's how I got treated.


Posted by incubus on Aug. 18 2001,06:15
That sucks big time. It's the way living with your family works, though. It's like this until you're 16:

You do what WE say until you're 16.

Then when you're 16 it's this:

You do what WE say until you're 18.

Then finally you're 18 and you get this:

You're living under OUR roof and you do what WE say.

It totally sucks and I feel for you because I'm the same getting out of bed in a morning (you know what I'm like, you see my away messages but yeah, sorry babes ...

*HUGS*

Mike

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Posted by LiNeY on Aug. 18 2001,06:23
Maybe I should add a little more information: my dad gets up really early (like 4.30 am) and can't understand that not all the world is like him. I stay up long (as some of you know...) and sleep long, I just have a different biological rhythm. So, he can't understand why I can't get up in the morning, and though I tried explaining about 1000 times in the past, he doesn't get it. Besides, he's a workaholic who is about to ruin his health by overworking, but he can't rest...

So, if I sleep long (i.e. am lazy and happy), that is suspicious and he gets aggressive.


Posted by incubus on Aug. 18 2001,06:35
family life si sucks!!!1

basically there is a generation gap where the current older generation in general have a hard time accepting late night net sessions. i know this cos i got that shiznit first hand.


Posted by YouGunnaStopMe? on Aug. 18 2001,11:32
I know exactly what you are saying.


My parents are the same, I hate mornings. I copped shit about it for around about 4 and a half years, being told that I should be able to get up etc etc. Turns out I have obstructive sleep apnoea and that I wake around about 40 times an hour. I currently sleep with a CPAP machine, (controlled positive airway pressure) so that i can get a decent nights sleep. Basically this means I sleep everynight with a darth fucking vader mask on my head, just so that I can wake up without feeling ill. I know this was a little off topic, but sometimes it helps to tell complete strangers things, coz they may not reply.

"We are more inclined to trust strangers, for they have never betrayed us"

Thanks for listening to my lil moan session.

As for your problem... there is no real quick fix. Work hard, push through their shit, then get a place of your own and sleep for a few years =)


Posted by TheTaxMan on Aug. 18 2001,16:37
*mutter*

You have the same problem as I; we both need to move out of the house really bad. What I've learned from the greatest friend in the world (who is like a month older than me, but skipped a grade, so already lives alone etc..) is that there are three kinds of parent/offspring relationships. There are really bad ones, where the parents abuse the child and other insanity. There are really good realtionships that the parents and offspring are friends or totally understanding of most things. They get along well and generally don't absolve conflict with shouting across from the kitchen. However, most (I would say 90\%), of all parents and children don't get along. The kids aren't beaten, and life is standable, but you just can't stand your parents. Everything you and them could possible disagree on eventually is disagreed upon, and until you move out, nothing is going to change, ever.

In other news, I think in order to solve your alarm clock 'not ringing' you have to move it to a different spot in the room. I went through this period of about six months were I woul get up, walk across the room, turn the alarm clock off, and go back to bed with out realising it. The problem was solved when I moved the clock. Also, turn it on some really nasty white noise on the radio side, and crank it.

Enjoy

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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 18 2001,18:06
jesus all that just for breakfast? if ur dad gets up so early tell him to fucking do it.

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Posted by Dark-Angel99 on Aug. 18 2001,23:33
I have been having the same problems Liney! I totally need to move out but I don't make enough yet! I just want to kill my dad sometimes!!! Anyways, I hope everything works out ok.

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Posted by Frosty on Aug. 19 2001,03:24
Liney, i know how you feel too. I get along pretty good with my parents except for the obvious 'generation-gap' with them. If they tell me to do something, i may have a week to do it but they'll feel compelled to remind me every 20 minutes. And then once and a while something goes wrong and whatever it is doesn't get done and they go "SEE? SEE? I TOLD YOU." So really that's just positive reinforcement.

What I would try to do if i were you is try something more aggressive. The next time your parents are nagging you to do something a whole bunch is just tell them that if they remind you again, you're simply not going to do it. This has started to work for me, but i've actually got a pretty good handle on my parents so i'm not sure how well it'll work for anyone else. I hope it helps you though. Just remember that the 'harm' you caused by not getting up really wasn't anything at all. Your granddad understood that you were extremely tired and that's all that really matters.


Posted by Nikita on Aug. 19 2001,10:28
Grandparents usually spoil the grandkids though (mine doesn't count). I thought that there were studies that showed that people in the teenage-early 20's range actually needed more sleep than older ppl? Kinda makes since since the body is growing and changing.

I can relate, LiNeY! I'm a night person through and through. I hate getting up early. Especially if it's a bit chilly. oooh so goosepimply! Don't your parents remember way back in the heyday when they were young'uns and wanted to stay up late? *tsk*


Posted by LiNeY on Aug. 19 2001,14:09
quote:
Originally posted by Nikita:
Don't your parents remember way back in the heyday when they were young'uns and wanted to stay up late? *tsk*

They never were young, LOL


Posted by Wolfguard on Aug. 19 2001,16:53
LiNeY

Now you know why i cant stand my parents and chose not to see them.

Been almost 2 years and i have never felt better about them(last time i saw them i was sick for a week after). I will continue to feel better about them as time goes on and i dont see them.

My life is much better with out them.


Posted by LiNeY on Aug. 19 2001,18:15
8 hours of sleep... luxury. In times of school I live on 5-6 hours a night.

My problem is that I am really a night person, so I love staying up and hate getting up. Basically, my inner clock is like GMT-4 while I live in the GMT+1 timezone. So... imagine.

What my mom tells me is to get to bed earlier. But that would mean that I can't catch anyone online...

And damien_s_lucifer: wow. Do we happen do be siblings? Apparently, we have the same mom


Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Aug. 19 2001,19:42
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Originally posted by Wolfguard:
LiNeY

My life is much better with out them.


first chance i get i getting out. they drive me up the wall!

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Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Aug. 20 2001,05:10
same thing used to happen to me. It was especially annoying on weekends when Mom when come in screaming "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING IT'S 11:30 NORMAL PEOPLE HAVE BEEN UP FOR HOURS!!! AAAAA!!!! WAKE UP YOU'RE WASTING YOUR ENTIRE DAY THINK OF ALL THE THINGS YOU COULD HAVE DONE BY NOW HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO WAKE UP ON TIME ON MONDAY I CAN'T BELIEVE IT AAA!!!!!!!!!!"

All that stopped the day I yelled "MOM, I'M TRYING TO SLEEP!!! DO I COME IN YOUR ROOM AT 1 IN THE MORNING YELLING AT YOU TO WAKE UP BECAUSE YOU COULD BE PARTYING RIGHT NOW??? NO??? THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!"

I got in a LOT of trouble for that one, but my mom never yelled at me for sleeping in again. And now, many years later, she accepts that MANY people have sleeping habits that involve waking up late. Especially since I showed her all the studies that show that getting less than 8 hours of sleep a night is unhealthy, and 10 hours is optimal - heh, "my health" is always a good way to get a mom to listen


Posted by t|nt|n on Aug. 20 2001,14:57
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Originally posted by LiNeY:

What my mom tells me is to get to bed earlier. But that would mean that I can't catch anyone online...

I think you have summed up your sleeping problem right there lol


Posted by ic0n0 on Aug. 21 2001,05:56
I can relate to this, I understand it and I have friends in similar conditions. As long as your under your parents rule their going to try and control you, fortuity I moved out as soon as I could and am no longer living at home but my parents still support me financially after I finish school that will cease of course. I go to bed around 3 or 3 in the morning and wake up at like 11:20 ish, but once school starts I will have to wake up at like 7:00am because I have class at 8:10am(only opening for a class I need). My dad is a workaholic also he works 50 to 60 hours a week (this is not an Exaggeration) but he never tried to wake me up any earlier. My sister though she doesn’t go to sleep until like 4am and doesn't wake up until 2pm, this concerns me and my parents a lot because she is only 14 and we think this could be unhealthy.

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Posted by demonk on Aug. 21 2001,12:47
A friend of mine, Mienai, has the same fucked up sleep pattern. Goes to bed around 4-5am, gets up around 2-3 pm. Now, the amount of sleep is alright, it's just that his internal clock is shifted. He's probably be right at home in eastern Russia or in Japan since he wouldn't suffer from jet lag. But he does miss class, and dinner for us is breakfast for him. But you what, that's alright. He's just preparing himself for a life of working the night shift. We need people like him to fill those slots

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Posted by Frosty on Aug. 22 2001,03:02
quote:
Originally posted by demonk:
A friend of mine, Mienai, has the same fucked up sleep pattern. Goes to bed around 4-5am, gets up around 2-3 pm. Now, the amount of sleep is alright, it's just that his internal clock is shifted. He's probably be right at home in eastern Russia or in Japan since he wouldn't suffer from jet lag. But he does miss class, and dinner for us is breakfast for him. But you what, that's alright. He's just preparing himself for a life of working the night shift. We need people like him to fill those slots

You just summed up most of my summer vacation,


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