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It sucks that some people are more sensitive emotionally but male or female if you want to be accepted someplace for who you are and not what you are you have to go by their rules too.

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Getting picked on by someone of the same sex is different than getting picked on by someone of the OPPOSITE sex. That's just human nature. It has nothing to do with equal rights.

And for that matter, "rights" aren't things you EARN, you dumbasses, they're things you HAVE by virtue of being born human.

....hmm i could have ended with just that but what i was gonna say is that its great cos then you can just totally turn that back on their heads and pick on them. gurls just cant hack being emotionally attacked

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This message has been edited by Dark Knight Bob on August 17, 2001 at 03:07 PM

If you want to be treated just like a man (ie, same pay, same benifits, same voting right, etc, etc, etc), then you get all of them, including the right to get teased, bashed on, made fun of, and being made to defend your self almost 24/7. You can't 'pick and chose' how you get treated. You can't demand the ability to be taken seriouly in a major corporation's boardroom while still asking for guys to be the dominate person outside of it. You want power and responsibility? Fine. You get the same package that we men get. You can't yell in the middle of the game "I'm a girl! I should be treated differently!". You do, and you get the same package the your grandmother got when she was your age. We men can't stand up and shout "I'm a man! Treat me differently!". That just gets your a punch in the face and branded a whimp/wossy/pussy/etc for a long time, or until you prove otherwise.

Anyway, I'm all for equal treatment, but not special treatment when it comes to men and women.

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Originally posted by damien_s_lucifer:
DarkAngel -I say we stick incubus, ic0n0, and demonk in a room full of GIRLS, let the GIRLS rip 'em to shreds, and then feed them the same line about "equal rights" that they're giving to you.

Getting picked on by someone of the same sex is different than getting picked on by someone of the OPPOSITE sex. That's just human nature. It has nothing to do with equal rights.

And for that matter, "rights" aren't things you EARN, you dumbasses, they're things you HAVE by virtue of being born human.

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Thank you! I have to spend time with these guys cause they are my boyfriend's friends! I have been with my boyfriend for 3 years and I do like his friends, its just I wish they treated me like a girl.

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Originally posted by ic0n0:
Sorry Dark-Angel if you want to be one of the guys you have to put up with what guy's have to put up with.

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yeah, try sticking a cucumber and 2 golf balls in your pants 24/7 and attempt to walk/run/etc normally. THEN you're one of the guys.

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Originally posted by LiNeY:
Those guys have NO RIGHT to treat you like that. Whatever happens, you are a lady. If because of your long-time boyfriend you spend time with them, they can consider themselves lucky. It's okay if you join in their games etc. But there is no excuse for treating you like that. A woman has to be respected and honoured as a such.

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Thank you Liney! Now why can't guys understand that?

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Originally posted by Dark-Angel99:
Thank you Liney! Now why can't guys understand that?

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This message has been edited by ic0n0 on August 17, 2001 at 08:39 PM

It has been a long time since I played any sort of game ... but I got better as I played, but nowhere as good as them. I suspect that they let me win a couplea times, which was gentlemanly of them I suppose ... but for the most part I had to throw back some taunts/trashtalk thrown my way. Just take it with a (big) grain of salt.

Oh yea, they may be flirting with you?

Plus, you probably have better things to do than spend time mastering your moves on that game

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This message has been edited by demonk on August 17, 2001 at 12:40 PM

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This message has been edited by Dark-Angel99 on August 18, 2001 at 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by damien_s_lucifer:
Getting picked on by someone of the same sex is different than getting picked on by someone of the OPPOSITE sex.

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emphasis added.

& that's why this has NOTHING to do with equal rights. It's about RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLE, sometimes known as "being nice."

Oh yeah, I forgot, being nice isn't fashionable any more...

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Originally posted by damien_s_lucifer:
I'm gonna quote myself to point out what I think is the most important statement in my last post :

emphasis added.

& that's why this has NOTHING to do with equal rights. It's about RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLE, sometimes known as "being nice."

Oh yeah, I forgot, being nice isn't fashionable any more...

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Balls to that, I'm the perfect gentleman. My female friends would vouch for that. If it's an issue about being an ass, fair enough, but my rant wasn't about that, it was about the "stick incubus ic0n0 and demonk in a room with girls and see how they like it" balls you posted eaerlier

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Originally posted by damien_s_lucifer:
DarkAngel -I say we stick incubus, ic0n0, and demonk in a room full of GIRLS, let the GIRLS rip 'em to shreds, and then feed them the same line about "equal rights" that they're giving to you.

Getting picked on by someone of the same sex is different than getting picked on by someone of the OPPOSITE sex. That's just human nature. It has nothing to do with equal rights.

And for that matter, "rights" aren't things you EARN, you dumbasses, they're things you HAVE by virtue of being born human.

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KISS MY FUCKING ASS.

Most of my friends are girls. So you can bend over and kiss mah chuddies if you think that sort of statement *looks up screen* is even remotely appropriate.

I could sit in a room full of girls and take anything they threw at me - I know how girls mind's work, in the same way that mens minds all fit a certain pattern.

No offence to Dark-Angel (we've chatted before and I think she's cool) but this is the way it goes. If you're in the minority you have two choices.

You can either make it known you're different and therefore benefit from special rights and get some things good, some things bad (ie a girl being treated as a girl, they get special treatment but then they're often treated as an object or held at distance), or;

You can fit in, be one of the grunts. You lose your special rights but along the same path you're just the same as everyone else and therefore entitled to the same highs (and lows) as everyone else. Live with it.

This applies with nearly every minority, you can either hide behind your political correctness or you can muck in with the grunts. Kuru (yes remember her) is someone who did the latter IMHO, let herself open for the crap we dish out to everyone else but also got some respect people on here don't usually get.

Compare that with ch1ckie, who was a girlygirl and was put on a pedestal but never allowed to 'muck in with the lads'.

You know I'm right.

As for the "spend time with some girls" DSL I think that's downright just a ploy to get some brownie points of the ladies because you know it's BULLSHIT. Like I said before, most of my friends are women and if you're not so naive it's not the big scary world you make it out to be.

As this is the rants forum I'm not making any apologies because I can rant about this all day.

You're in or you're out. You can't have your cake and eat it.

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This message has been edited by incubus on August 18, 2001 at 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by ic0n0:
Dark-Angel i hope you don't think i'm mean or an ass.

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< http://www.geocities.com/Seady1117 > <--- ME

What I'm trying to say is that yes I would rather get along nice as pie with everyone - but things don't work like that. I wish they did.

So, you get minority people wanting to use their rights when it suits them, and that's frustrating, when you're a typical-demographic white male.

I'm always nice to people unless I really have to not be, but I also think that the borders between different types of people are narrowing and we should all learn a little about each other instead of pulling the political correctness card when it doesn't suit you.

I'm also sorry if I seem a little too intense on this subject but I get this shit a lot in r/l.

Mike

The following rant is NOT directed at anyone in particular, so don't go getting all defensive on me :

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one of my biggest pet peeves is how rapidly people politicize things these days. people worry too much about "rights" and not enough about what's right, you know?

like the old guy who drives 55 in the fast lane 'cause it's his RIGHT to do so... which it is, but he's still being an asshole.

so when I hear men using "equal rights" as an excuse for treating women like crap, it pisses me off, because

1. rights are NOT something to be earned, they're something granted by virtue of being human. A PRIVILEGE is something earned.

2. we shouldn't treat people like shit to begin with, so JUSTIFYING this behavior by using "rights" as an excuse strikes me as despicable.

3. Does anyone have the conception of "fairness" any more? It's different than "exactly the same."
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And there is a difference between equal rights and being treated the same. I firmly believe that women should be able to get the same jobs and earn the same pay as men, I believe they should have the same fundamental rights as any other citizen because they are NOT SECOND CLASS!!! If anything they should get more because most women are much smarter than men who usually leave the thinking up to their little heads.

Treating each other nice, and not putting each other down is something that everyone should do regardless of their sex. The whole idea of its done to me so I should do it back, or it should be done to everyone else if its done to me is wrong. What happened to treating each other the way we want to be treated? I don't know of a single guy who enjoys being poked at, made to feel worthless, so why the fuck should that be the "way it has to be if you want to be one of the guys?" That is not right either.

I don't know what its like to be the only girl in a group of boys, but I do know how boys can be to each other, and even more so to a girl in their group. And most of them should be shot for the way they treat each other. Seriously, that is not at all the way one human should treat another, regardless of sex, age, race or any other distinguishing feature. I am ashamed of the way most members of my sex treat each other, and treat members of the opposite sex. There is a difference between teasing each other in fun and being downright mean to each other, and most don't know where the line is.

Most of my friends are girls for this same reason, that I can't stand the way most boys are.

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And there is a difference between equal rights and being treated the same. I firmly believe that women should be able to get the same jobs and earn the same pay as men, I believe they should have the same fundamental rights as any other citizen because they are NOT SECOND CLASS!!! If anything they should get more because most women are much smarter than men who usually leave the thinking up to their little heads.

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hmm talking about equal rights and then you go contradict yourself.

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Originally posted by Hellraiser:
Excuse me, but women are not a minority, they make up slightly over 50\% of the population in almost every age group.

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I'm pretty sure he was referring to them as a minority in a group.. for example 3 guys and 1 girl.. not globally.. doesn't really matter what the statistics are globally since we'll never have global unity. Better yet.. we'll never even have national unity.

I, for one, think Male Culture totally and completely sux0rs my ass. The vast majority of men are, among other things, complete fucking cowards. I should know, since all throughout high school I had groups of 3+ guys ganging up on me to play "let's kick the nerd's ass."

3 on 1... how very BRAVE of them.

Women tease, but they don't generally punch you in the stomach while their cronies hold you back.

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Originally posted by demonk:
If you want equal rights and privilages that men have, then you will also get the same treatment as men. Just thought I'd let you know.

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Okay, there is a finite difference between having equal rights and priviledges as men and being seen as "One of the guys". Also, I never read Dark Angel actually say that she wanted to be treated like one of the guys...

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When 1337 hax0rs start impaling each other with swords and typing code with a hook on one hand, then they can modify the term "pirate."

I think if women want equal rights at work, at school and in other areas of life then they should be willing to accept these things in their daily interactions with men.

For example: One of my girl friends works at a very large accounting firm in New York City. She demands equal pay for equal work and for men to respect her authority. However when this girl goes out on a date she expects the man to pay, expects him to open doors and to treat her with unending loyalty but in the work world she wants to be treated like a guy.

Heres the problem with this. It sends a serious mixed message. If you play with the the boys (or like the boys) you should be expected to be treated, in some ways, like a guy. This is what you bargined for when you sat down with them, you should not expect them to all of a sudden stop doing what they do just because you are female. After all we demand equal treatment every place else in the world why should our interpersonal relationships be different.

I am under this belief: Don't bring me flowers, or open my door, or pay for my dinner- I am under no obligation to you as you are of none to me. Instead treat me like you would any one else, talk to me as if my opinion matters an don't pussy foot around me because you think some how my frail female ego will get hurt.

I don't want to be a woman who pees on you darkangel but honestly isn't this what we as women have asked for...equality in the eyes of men and the world. How can you say now that you got what you wanted that you dont want it any more? Talk about a double standard.

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L'absence est à l'amour ce qu'est au feu le vent; Il éteint le petit, il allume le grand.
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This message has been edited by Dark-Angel99 on September 18, 2001 at 11:14 AM

Isolate one, though, and if you know him well enough and the conditions are right, this "feeling" thing of his might pop up.

Just gotta take it with a bigass grain of salt at times.

Just gotta take it with a bigass grain of salt at times.

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simultaneity is not absolute. So just because you think i'm wrong, from my frame of reference i'm right!

This message has been edited by Dark Knight Bob on September 18, 2001 at 01:27 PM

Secondly, wasn't it proven some time ago that often affection is shown by violence or something. Something to do with wanting the attention of the person you like any which way you can get it.

Basically Dark Angel, I would hazzard a guess that your boyfriends mates fancy you, and it's not surprising after I just went to your site and saw your pictures.

Granted, it makes no sense, but nor does a lot of human emotion/actions. Basically you are very sexy, and since they are you boyfriends friends, they probably didn't have a clue how to act.

On the one hand they fancied you, so probably would have treated you like a queen. But on the other hand you are there mates G/F so they had to play it safe.

They probably thought in some strange cave man way, if I give her grief it will seem like I'm not quite so mad about her... Or something like that.

In conclusion, you've got it, so flaunt it and drive them scatty with desire, they will then be so distracted you'll be able to kick there asses at any game.

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Take Care.

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She hath spoken!

It seemed pretty dead until j00 replied to it. For that, it will never die.

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And wow! Hey! What's this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like . . . ow . . . ound . . . round . . . ground! That's it! That's a good name - ground!
I wonder if it will be friends with me?

And the rest, after a sudden wet thud, was silence.

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Force that shatters all, absence of mortality

YOU HAVE BEEN INFORMED !!!!!

1) Played with dolls when you were a kid
2) Mom didn't breast-feed you
3) You were raised in a convent
4) You're the sensitive sweetie
5) You're a total player - you bastard!

6) etc ...

This message has been edited by Nikita on November 27, 2001 at 12:05 PM

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There is no reality... Just walls!

Maybe you could help me out.

In the meantime just keep your head up and don't let the buggers grind you down.

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That's not strictly true, I have been brought up to be a caring person. We have all been upset at some time and if someone is genuinly upset whether they are male or female I will comfort them how I can, they will come first (please no jokes about coming first).

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I believe you are the sweetest guy I have ever met!