Topic: X-MEN
started by: fendi
I've just been reading rave reviews for this and due to a weekend bushwalk I'm consequently going to be the last person (just about) to see it! By the time next weekend comes around, EVERYONE would've seen it, would be talking about it and and and... *sniff*
I'm not mean enough to hope its not as good as its hyped up to be. (There was hardly any hype for this anyway) All I ask is for spoiler warnings! Please! If you have to talk about it. *sniff*
Anyway, its going to be my first ever (long overdue) camping trip so even I am expecting myself to be sore and very reluctant to get out of bed for monday's stint at work. I was looking forward to going (proper) camping for once, but the X-Men movie has put a slight damper on things. *sigh*
Well, thats my little rant, and yes, I do feel slightly better. _SLIGHTLY_
*grumble mumble*
Ooonnnn a side note, don't worry. The only reason it's getting so much hype is because FOX is doing it. If FOX had done Battlefield: Earth, it would've been hyped to hell, too. And it would've been given aprrox. 8,000 good reviews.
X-Men will, sadly, not be too good. For some reason, neither Beast, nor Angel, nor Iceman is going to be there, but Rogue is. The first thing any pathetic comic book junkie will say is:
That was never a lineup in the comics.
Of course, even overlooking that, there's still the inclusion of ultra-lame villains:
Toad. TOAD?! It would be understandable if the rest of the Mutant Liberation Front was there, but it's JUST HIM. They've also changed his powers to make him cooler, but if they're doing that, why not just have a cooler character instead? Feh. Sabretooth is understandable, being Wolverine's arch-rival character, but if they were going to change the way he looked, why couldn't they just make him look less FLAMING? As stupid as his costume was in the costume, at least it worked for a comic book character. His new look doesn't work for anything, except possibly a gay biker bar.
No Sentinels or Danger Room. Why? Because they're saving that for the sequel. They say they want to maintain a TIMELINE.
The X-Men have a lineup that was never in the comic, and Magneto's team (I'm not even sure if it's supposed to be the MLF or not!) never even existed. AND THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN A TIMELINE.
Also, besides that, it's just retarded in general. Nonsensical fight atop of the Statue of Liberty? Sure, why not! Give Magneto a helmet that looks like it was rejected from Battlestar Galactica? Yeeeaahh.
Sorry, this really didn't have anything to do with your rant, but I just despise the X-Men movie wholly, and since there already is a thread titled X-Men started...
Also, side notes: Blackbird=X-Jet? Wolverine's COMPLETELY NORMAL MOTORCYCLE=X-Cycle? Wolverine's claws look like oversized toothpicks. Also, why doesn't Prof. X's wheelchair float, like any good wheelchair would? It's nothing big, but it would've been cool.
Sorry. Had to get that out. Feel free to disregard my comic-book-geek nitpicking.
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PEOPLE IN HEAD-TO-TOE COLORFUL SPANDEX LOOK REALLY STUPID!
Why not just give him his average-guy NORMAL fucking suit? He looked best in that. Just a leather coat, jeans.
By the way, I think the guy who plays Logan makes him look like some sort of dumbass canadian redneck.
-FFox
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If you were the leader of an elite force of beings that kicked everyone's ass.... would they were yellow? or black leather?
(btw - the matrix had black leather and no one complained there)
If there's a comic called X-Men, and there's a movie coming out based on that comic, wouldn't logic preside that the movie would be at least a little like the comic?
No, apparently not.
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Originally posted by Zamt:
..Take the Phantom Menace. A lot of people thought that for some reason it was going to be Citizen Kane with cool special effects. You know, amazing plot and characters with light sabers. Guess what? It was a FUCKING STAR WARS MOVIE! So what happened? The people who went in thinking it would be the greatest movie ever were disapointed and the bitching commenced...
This reminds me of a rant I wrote over a year ago. You may be interested to read it:
< http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Cove/1890/comment.html >
It's short, don't worry. 
Also, I'd like to add that I agree with you that heading into a movie with high expectations is a terrible thing to do. I walk into every single movie with a blank mind and no expectations (well, ALMOST every movie), and I find that I enjoy most of which I watch to some degree. My friends love tying themselves in a knot with excitement whenever some new big splashy movie comes out, and because of this, they are almost ALWAYS disapointed. Dont'ja get it? If you go into movies expecting less, you will be pleased to get more.
Or something like that.
-FFox
[This message has been edited by Firefox (edited July 14, 2000).]
Personally, I can't wait till Jubilee is introduced and we get some sentinals in on the action!!
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They have cats in the future?
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"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
anyway, my friends and i were talking over who would make good people for other characters...we all agreed that if they bulked up malcom mcdowell, he would make an excellent Cable...and kevin bacon with a scottish accent might make a good banshee.
lastly, id like to note, that technically throughout the entire movie, rebecca romeijn-stamos was entirely in the nude...if only there werent any scales.
I went into the movie, kinda expecting it to be dumb. It wasn't. I got the crappiest seats in the theatre (the ones at the very front that force you to crane your neck), yet I still enjoyed it. It wasn't a masterpiece, but I'd definitely say it was entertaining. I think they did a pretty good job of converting it from the comic book to the screen.
My only criticism: Magneto's lame-ass helmet. Looked pretty silly. Oh well.
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Originally posted by Sithiee:
hey i just thought of something, if they put jubilee in there with no dialogue, dyou spose the kid playing basketball was maybe sposed to be nightcrawler?...i dunno, ill check teh credits next time i watch.
Dunno about that one. Maybe. But I don't seem to recall the other players on the basketball court holding their noses to cover up the foul stench of sulfur.
Check out this < webpage > that disses some of the X-men (nightcrawler included). Sorta funny.
You can't say that they couldn't do this, and couldn't do that.... They can do anything in movies these days... Just look at The Phantom Menace.
This movie should have kicked ass because the X-men kick ass....
I think the casting was ridiculous as well. Except for Patrick Stewart. He was perfect.
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jim
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Before you go off on me, there were some things I didn't like. Magnetos helmet was pretty lame. Storm should have fried Toad to a damn crisp after the way she built up to it. BTW, I loved Toad's Darth Maul move. That's about it for now. I'll bitch more later
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Originally posted by jim:
You can't say that they couldn't do this, and couldn't do that.... They can do anything in movies these days... Just look at The Phantom Menace.This movie should have kicked ass because the X-men kick ass....
I think the casting was ridiculous as well. Except for Patrick Stewart. He was perfect.
your opinion i suppose, but i honestly thought it was awesome.
hugh jackson did a perfect job of wolverine, anna pacquin did great as rogue, and every one else played there parts perfectly.
the plot was fine, because it didnt involve too many characters to keep up, and it had some nice places for fight scenes.
and the fact you think the phantom menace awesome makes you a sorry little man.
(thats my opinion)
concerning other issues, i thought rogue character was done incredibly also. the fact that she was an innocent instead of an ass kicker added much more to the movie than it would've had.
honestly i would have been irritated if rogue was a badass (like EVERYONE is in the comics......snooooooze) and jubilee was being the little innocent they needed (yuck)!
i just got one question. if rogue is never a bad guy, then in the movies, you think she'll EVER get the flying and strength?
(considering she shouldn't ever have to fight Ms. Marvel) ?
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who was she?
i dont remember her being there?
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Originally posted by psychopharmacologist:
Jubille was in the movie?
who was she?
i dont remember her being there?
She was in the movie all of two seconds. She was in the scene when Rogue goes to class and first meets Iceboy.
Iceman IS in it. he makes a special camio, im not sure where
other x-men make camios too
like Colusses. you may not notice him, but he can be seen painting a picture by a pool (someone told me that)
they should of put Ironman and War Machine in there too, they rock!
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Said by Jim "You can't say that they couldn't do this, and couldn't do that.... They can do anything in movies these days... Just look at The Phantom Menace." (I have no idea how to do that the l33t way). Anyway to respond, the X-Men was vastly more limited than Phantom Menace. The budget was cut in half, and the movie was moved up 6 months. If that doesn't limit your creativity and the special effects, I don't know what does. Can you imagine how bad Phantom menace would have been if Lucas had ๛ million only to play with and a set time schedule? It would have been total crap. I think Bryan Singer did a hell of a good job. I think the casting was pretty good, espicially Wolverine. I can't imagine anyone doing it better. It was my biggest worry about the whole project. I plan on seeing it several more times, just to make sure they make a sequel with all the money it needs. But anyway, if you didn't like it, no big deal I guess. I need to stop defending the movie. Although if they could release in on DVD next week I would be really happy.
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if Lucas had ๛ million only to play with and a set time schedule? It would have been total crap.[/B]
I rest my case.
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jim
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Anyways - the SilverSurfer is still, and always will be the coolest mofo in comics... kinda like Hendrix and guitar music....
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Lucas also needs to learn and repeat the mantra, "Less is more." Episode I was a prime example of a film with too many computer graphics. Many times I felt that the barrage of special effects detracted from the viewing experience (e.g. The 'planet core' scene. What the hell was that about?! And did anybody find it convincing at all?). Judging from Phantom Menace, I'd say that Lucas doesn't understand the importance of editing. For the next film, I hope he employs someone to keep his ideas focused.
As for X-Men, it was neither great nor terrible. It was 'entertaining'. And in my books that makes it better than Episode I.
All you Lucas worshippers in denial: Go ahead and flame me.
Cyclops: Wolverine, your insubordination threatens the safety of my team!
Woverine: Shut up, rookie.
Also, Wolverine never said rookie. Storm didn't go into her rants whenever she used her powers.
Storm: I summon the arctic winds! Freeze him with limitless cold!
Mystique is not supposed to be naked, or have a skin disorder. Sabretooth never met Wolverine untill now. Magneto never used his purple magnetic shield thingee. Sen. Kelly DIED! He's supposed to become president Kelly and sign the bill supporting sentinels. Finally, Xavier's chair should have hovered. I don't give a rats ass how unfeasible it is, HOVER, DAMMIT!
The closest thing they had was that mutant-maker thingy. What the fuck? It looked incredibly fake, and just plain stupid besides.
By the way, with the way the skewed the plot, I wonder about some of the other upcoming Marvel movies.
Is Galactus going to be Silver Surfer's father? Is the Thing going to to look entirely different because the whole orange scale thing "didn't look cool enough"? Venom and Carnage brothers, and Doc Oc is their father? I mean, seriously, that's really about how much they switched around the plot to X-Men.
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But where is Gamera?
also. whoever was saying colossus was in this is a lying fuck. just because theres a white dude with black hair and a flattop doesnt mean hes colossus. i looked in the credits. no colossus. if it was sposed to be him, they would have said so. dont say shit thats not true.
Not knowing a lot of the background of the X-Men ie not exposed to a lot of the comics, plus the fact that there was hardly any hype for it down here, I had an no unrealistic expectation. All this contributed to the fact that I quite enjoyed it. I thought it was a good introduction anyway and am slightly looking forward to the sequels. ------------------
You can't strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
I didn't expect them to CHANGE THE ENTIRE TIMELINE. THAT'S what bugs me.
And sure, to someone who's never read X-Men or seen the cartoon, it's fine, but to some people, who have (not even all of them) it IS disappointing.
I just wonder how people would react if they made the Fantastic Four movie and changed the F4's origin. I'd wager not very kindly, but hey, I could be wrong.
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But where is Gamera?
I have been known to subject my family to extensive commentaries (rants) on how some movies based on books sucked. I apologise if my comments were out-of-line or it offended anyone.
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You can't strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
The complaints that I've heard (here, and elsewhere) that say that it bucked the comic continutity too much are valid, but a bit narrow-minded IMHO. To require that the movie be a rehashing of what's already come in the comics would have alienated the general public. Let's face it: comics fans alone would not have made X-Men enough of a success to warrant a sequel (or two). If this means a bit of retooling in the interest of making a solid story, I don't have any problem with that, as long as the characters aren't dramatically altered.
Most of the changes were insignificant at best, neccessary at worst. In the end, I think it all made for a good introduction to the characters, and an entertaining story. Certainly, some changes/additions would have been nice, but Singer produced a quality movie with all the limitations imposed upon its production.
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