Forum: Rants
Topic: your
started by: masher

Posted by masher on Jun. 11 2000,03:09
This seriously pisses me off

Doesn't any one besides me know that your is not the same as you're??????

Get it right people.

Examples of use:


  • This is your computer. ie the computer belongs to you.
  • You're fucked in the head. ie shut up.

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Posted by Happyfish on Jun. 11 2000,07:29
Yeah
and their, there, they're
too, two, to
etc
People suck. I hate people.

Posted by masher on Jun. 11 2000,08:24
Wouldn't life be a lot easier without people?

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Posted by gumbi on Jun. 11 2000,12:31
what i hate is when people make mistakes like this on purpose.

eg, some character here

"...some people don't no the difference between "your" and "you're"--its simple really,

or was it just a simple proper mistake, I just cant tell.

Edit: cant have me looking like a tard can me =)

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Posted by Nene on Jun. 11 2000,15:12
Let me throw my cinco centavos in.

Their, there, and they're.

First off, TH-EI-R....I love the i before e stuff...thbbt.

Their = belonging to them.

They're = they are doing something

There = a place

rant rant rant rant rant

ah, I feel better. One thing I love about these forums, nearly everyone here paid attention during english.

Ack, another one! Here and Hear. Wheee.

Kisses,
Not the Nene

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Posted by AnimalPrime on Jun. 11 2000,16:08
who cares u can figure it out if u try. Its really not that hard
But people do suck

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Posted by iso9k on Jun. 11 2000,18:13
the "your" and the "you're" thing gets to me as well. But on a channel where hacker is spelled Hax0r and porn is pr0n, the issue is mute. However speeling 'you're' - 'your' shows a lack of understanding in a written language. I find many people that make such a mistake are not programmers. The programmers I work with are also grammer kiddies.



Posted by ShadowKnight on Jun. 11 2000,18:46
It's not the people that suck, it the language. Like jim said, if it sounds the same it should be spelt the same. The problem is the language and the only people that suck are the one's that made the language.

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Posted by AnimalPrime on Jun. 11 2000,21:06
Not only is it the people but the launguage as well.. life would be better if everything was in 1337 5p34k wouldn't it. That way only we would know what the hell anyone was talking about and stupid people would just die or sumthing! Did i just spell 1337 speak wrong? Oh well fuck it Stupid People still suck!

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Posted by The_Hiro on Jun. 11 2000,22:15
Homonyms are one of the big stumbling blocks for people learning english as a second language. But I'm pretty sure that every language has homonyms of some sort (I mean, how much fun would life be without puns? Okay. So life would be a lot(correction c/o Chrissy) better...). Anyhow, the way I see it, different spellings for each homonym help us to understand written english better. Part of what allows us to understand spoken language so well is body language and intonation. Strip away these extralinguistic cues and all you've got left are context, punctuation and spelling. For example:


"You're where? Fuck you. I'm not going there."
"Your where? Fuck you. I'm not going there."

Note that the you're/your distinction changes the interpretation of the sentence. The first sentence might be your response to a friend asking for help after his car has broken down in New Jersey. The second sentence might be how you'd respond to a friend asking you to suck the snake venom out of some part of his body.

It's probably true that written languages based on phonetic alphabets are prone to such ambiguities. Still, I think a few tricky words are worth putting up with rather than having to learn a new ideogram for each and every word (i.e. chinese, japanese, etc.).

Anyhow, that's probably enough pretentiousness on my part for today. I'll shut up now.

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Posted by jim on Jun. 12 2000,05:31
I think if it's pronounced the same, it should fucking be spelled the same. This would save a lot of trouble.

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Posted by Chrissy on Jun. 12 2000,11:37
Ok since we're getting on people's lack of language skills. You know what really bothers me? People who spell a lot as one word instead of two...it's two words. In my junior year soc class my professor circled the word (because I spelled it the correct way) and told me that it was one word. I took a dictonary to class the next day. Boy did he feel like an ass. I wish people could remember it as two words. It's not that difficult. Is it?

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Posted by Wolfguard on Jun. 12 2000,13:28
Oh i love that one. i have no idea how many times i had to drag out the big book of words just to prove another idiot teacher wrong. For sake of argument we will say it was a lot of times.

I will admit im a "your" for "you're" user but that is because im lazy and i can save myself 2 key strokes. Its bad form to use contractions anyway. "You are" is the only truly correct form.(just ask my 8th grade english bitc...er...teacher)

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Posted by chunga on Jun. 12 2000,23:09
'Then' and 'Than' are two more words that get mixed up all of the time. Some people just don't get it, and never will. I'm one of them, just not when it comes to grammar.
Posted by Happyfish on Jun. 13 2000,03:58
'Than' is for comparisons:

Four is greater than two.
White is brighter than Black.

Then means "at that time":

Then all of detnet's files were deleted.

Look at the homonyms just in the above:
for, four
to, two, too
where, were (almost a homonym)

No wonder people have so much trouble learning english..

Another thing that pisses me off is ppl. throwing in apostrophes where they aren't needed. ex: Fred has three car's.
Right: That is Fred's car.

Whatever. I'm done now. I hope I didn't make any mistakes. Oh, and BTW it's spelt 'grammar', not 'grammer'.


Posted by Happyfish on Jun. 13 2000,04:11
I just remembered something minorly interesting. How does one refer to a person with a pronoun, when that person could be either gender? For example(can't think of a good one, sorry), instructions on how to deal with a lam0r. If the subject was male:
1.If he complains the computer won't turn on ask him to check if it is plugged into the outlet.
Female:
2.If she complains it still won't turn on ask her to check if any power lights are on.
One solution:
3. If they still can't resolve the problem ask them to check if there is power in their outlet.

Using they/them isn't really correct grammar though. It would be more correct to he/she, her/him. So...this is where english fails. There is no proper pronoun for he/she..and it's variations.


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Posted by Firefox on Jun. 13 2000,17:09
Fifty years from now, there will be an entirely new language formed from decades of lazy newsgroup and web page forum posters. The idea of capitalization will have ended long ago. Shift keys will not be required on keyboards. In fact, punctuation like the ' will become obsolete. And while they were at it, they decided that it was way to much trouble to put any punctuation at all into sentances, and decided to greatly reduce the use of blank spaces.

An intellectual converstation of the future will go something like this:

(A report by doctor of biological sciences, Joe Smith)

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whazszup ive rsrchn plntlfe+bio adnfound dt crmsome b514x-22 is baitch cauz cncer n sht

l8r d00d.
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I can hardly wait. I will make millions by creating the first official dictionary:

(example)

- sht - (formerly used in place of "shit" or "shut" or "shoot" or "suck her tit" or "sup homy t" or "shoot his tanks" or "stupid homo teammate" or....

Heh.

-Firefox


Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Jun. 13 2000,20:50
in the old days the gender-neutral pronoun was "one / one's", but "they / them / their" will likely become Official Standard English fairly soon because it is in common usage. All of my English teachers accepted it in papers.

Misuse of its / it's bothers me.

"its" is posessive : "The dog licked its balls."


"it's" is a contraction of "it is" : "It's hotter than hell today today."

long live the day when computers are bright enough to give the user a good shock if they use the wrong form of a word...


Posted by masher on Jun. 14 2000,11:22
preferably 240 V

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Posted by fendi on Jun. 14 2000,23:58
I frequent a mud where rp is encouraged. What gets me is that some people think that merely using old style english is good rp. What REALLY gets to me is bad use of old style english combined with just bad grammar:

You hath not a write when your motives
-write should be right

If the [clan] dost nay agree to the wills set for the ways I shall walk then bare forth your clans and step forth
-huh? and no, it won't really make sense even if I pasted it in its entirety
-nay should be not. I'm under the impression that nay=no and it cannot be stretched to nay=not (correct me if I am wrong)

As we rise to a new light within [diety]'s Arms we must have. Accept the Wills and Visions of [diety].... [s/he] beckons that never Shall a [clan] Harm another. Nor will a We take part in acts of Feeding...with a Great on we shall savor our own kill...and play with it you may... And last but not least we shall all Take great Pride [diety]'s
light and Honor [his/her] with our own Honor and integrity!

-whats with the bad capitalizations? it just doesn't make sense all I did was insert [diety] to replace the diety's name as well as [s/he/his/her] used

It is possible to view one's notes as they write it as well as before they send it. Is it too much to ask that they actually edit it before sending it off to see if it makes any sense? *sigh*

Well! That's a load off my chest


Posted by Hellraiser on Jun. 15 2000,12:07
To be completely grammatically correct, that first one should be:

"Thou hast not a right when thy motives..." or "You have not a right when your motives..." depending on whether you are talking to one person or several people.

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Posted by ZODIACOCW on Jun. 14 2001,19:07
YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF GLUE SNIFFING PATHETIC LOSERS!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Rhydant on Jun. 14 2001,19:14
Were=> What were you doing?!
We're=> We're so damned l33t!
Where=> Over there!
heh heh

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Posted by LiNeY on Jun. 14 2001,19:59
Well, to answer Happyfish's question as to "him" or "her", I guess it's "him". At least, that's how it is in most languages like French, Latin, Spanish,... the totally correct version would be "him/her" but except feminists and politicians nobody uses that.

I personally think that homonyms rather help learning English as a second language - I never had problems with "they're" - "their", but I think if the spelling was the same I'd get pretty mixed up reading texts. As to contracted forms like "you're"... in exams, mistakes are counted like this:

number of mistakes / number of words = mistake quotient

Now, "you're" is one word. "You are" are two words... it would be plain stupidity to write the contracted form because it lowers your word number and it is likely to get less points because of "bad style".


Posted by Spydir on Jun. 15 2001,01:01
I remember when I used to idle on Undernet all the time (IRC...) all these girls from the Philipines would keep messaging me... they'd ask me the usual "asl?" and crap... but they'd always either get words backwards or spell words most people who speak english as their native tounge would say "why the fuck can't you spell that right?" too... I realized after all that, that English is a fucked up language. Seriously. Every other language has basicly the same "rules" and stuff you'd learn in your Language Arts (english) classes, just they use different words to represent different things. English, on the other hand, has no rules that make any sense. And don't get on my about how that's the American way or something (people do that when I rant about this... I dunno why), but English isn't American. It's from England. It's a Germanic language, meaning it's loosely based on German. So... yeah... English is fucked up.

And that fake San Fransisco serial killer cow or whatever dude really needs to get back on his valium...

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Posted by blanalex on Jun. 15 2001,14:36
quote:
Originally posted by Spydir:
I remember when I used to idle on Undernet all the time (IRC...) all these girls from the Philipines would keep messaging me... they'd ask me the usual "asl?" and crap... but they'd always either get words backwards or spell words most people who speak english as their native tounge would say "why the fuck can't you spell that right?" too... I realized after all that, that English is a fucked up language. Seriously. Every other language has basicly the same "rules" and stuff you'd learn in your Language Arts (english) classes, just they use different words to represent different things. English, on the other hand, has no rules that make any sense. And don't get on my about how that's the American way or something (people do that when I rant about this... I dunno why), but English isn't American. It's from England. It's a Germanic language, meaning it's loosely based on German. So... yeah... English is fucked up.


You never learned french, don't you? The rules for conjuging past participle are complex, with tons of exceptions (can somebody who speak french can tell me what's the rule for conjuging a past participle of a pronominal verb with the 'have'/'avoir' auxilliary??), hundreds of homophones (mais/mes/m'est,l'heure/leur/leurs, tous/tout/touts, etc)...

French is (IMHO) a beautiful language, but oh god, so complex to write!

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Posted by porn_dealer on Jun. 15 2001,14:49
quote:
It's probably true that written languages based on phonetic alphabets are prone to such ambiguities. Still, I think a few tricky words are worth putting up with rather than having to learn a new ideogram for each and every word (i.e. chinese, japanese, etc.).

Chinese yes, Japanese no. There's a set rule of pronounciations for each syllable (there's 47 of em, not hard to remember at all). That way, you can't fuck up if you see a word written, it's always going to be pronounced the way you think it would. Personally, I think it's a lot easier to learn than French ...or English for that matter. Glad I was born speaking English.

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Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Jun. 15 2001,17:48
quote:
Originally posted by Nene:
Let me throw my cinco centavos in.

Their, there, and they're.

First off, TH-EI-R....I love the i before e stuff...thbbt.

Their = belonging to them.

They're = they are doing something

There = a place

rant rant rant rant rant

ah, I feel better. One thing I love about these forums, nearly everyone here paid attention during english.

Ack, another one! Here and Hear. Wheee.

Kisses,
Not the Nene


Yeah, I seen that.

FUCKING VERB TENSE PEOPLE.

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Posted by masher on Jun. 16 2001,07:50
Japanese has three alphabets. Hiragana, katakana and kanji.

Hiragana and katakana each have 46 basic charaters. Kanji is based on the Chinese characters, and there are thousands of them...

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Posted by LiNeY on Jun. 16 2001,13:27
quote:
Originally posted by blanalex:

can somebody who speak french can tell me what's the rule for conjuging a past participle of a pronominal verb with the 'have'/'avoir' auxilliary??

blanalex, give me an example of a pronominal verb and I'll conjugate it. I just can't think of a verb right now.4


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