Topic: Fight Club vs. Matrix
started by: Slicer
Personally, I'm a bigger fan of Fight Club, it fux0red with your head more. Ya know, more of a whoah factor.
Let the ranting begin...
Slicer
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I don't think it's particularly fair to either movie to attempt to compare them, kinda like comparing apples with oranges if you ask me. They're just too different.
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I remember when they had Brad driving the car, Ed was in the passenger seat, and some dude in the backseat. Don't you think the dude in the back seat would have thought it was strange that ed norton was talking to hisself???? Or the fact that how the hell can ed's figment of his imagination drive the car???
I normally don't read into movies like that, but this movie just sucked! I loved the movie up till the end, then I felt like I was cheated!!!!
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jim
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If you want to think about that scene, then consider it this way. How was Tyler banging Marla if Ed was downstairs? The way I think of it is that when the two personalities are talking, it's like they're talking to themselves, or even just voices in their head.
If you guys don't want to compare apples and oranges, then why don't we just discuss apples and make this thread devoted to just Fight Club.
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I saw fight club in the theater and thought it kicked ass, then I watched it at home and it was...well..still good, but not as good as I thought. Saw the matrix three times in theater and ...? dunno how many times at home. Rented it and then bought the DVD..
Fight Club has a pretty cool twist..
Thanks for pointing out another....
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jim
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Originally posted by jim:I remember when they had Brad driving the car, Ed was in the passenger seat, and some dude in the backseat. Don't you think the dude in the back seat would have thought it was strange that ed norton was talking to hisself????
He just heard ed asking about 'operation mayhem' and replied, 'the first rule of operation mayhem is not to talk about ...' etc. So he thought it was a test of some sort..As for ed (wtf was his character name?)
Sitting in the passanger seat and Tyler (Brad pitt) driving...he was insane!! He had a split personality..is it that hard to believe he thought he was in the passanger seat when he was driving...? Hell the whole conversation could have been in his head..
It was a decent movie...needed a bit more action though.
Cost=Ũ.02
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jim
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at the doc
at the 'groups'
On the other hand, there are many times when he is called tyler, but really only at the end.
Btw, did anyone here notice the frames with tyler at the early parts. EG, when hes talking to his boss, and tyler can be glimpsed behind, with an arm around the boss. (really only works in slow mo...)
Slicer
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Originally posted by jim:
You can go back through the whole movie, and see that he never interacts with any one but the boy. He never opens doors, moves chairs, nothing like that. It surprised the shit out of me, but I didn't feel like the producers pulled one over on me. The fact that he was a ghost was there the WHOLE time.
What about when he is in the boy's house waiting for him? Would he not have knocked on the dorr and waited for someone to let him in, and interacted somehow with the person that answered?
Of course they fix that by saying 'They see what they want to see' or whatever..
I really liked Fight Club. I think that people who seriously nitpick over movies too much need to get out more. 
And people who talk in movie theatres during movies should be drawn and quartered. And then keel-hauled. And then tossed into a spike-filled pit. God I hate them...
Matrix had some of the coolest stuff I've seen in a long time, though.
-Firefox
A quote (sorry if it's not exact, saw Fight club a while ago)
"We sucked the fat out of the asses of rich women and sold it back to them at an inflated price."
-Explaining the soap, Fight Club
that was an awesome plot. matrix was simple, and easy to understand for the masses, nothing to it. Fight Club has so many little things about it that you see everytime you see it again. words they say, everything is a clue, but you dont see or understand till youve seen it a couple times and can actually watch the movie. matrix was simple, good and waiting for the sequels, but Fight Club rules on another level. i saw that movie over 10x now, still awesome
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As for the matrix vs fight club...i've gotta say that they both kick ass. although I think fight club was better acted and directed i think matrix had the idea, the mystique, i think someone called it. my Ũ.02
regards, reman
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.I have to vote the matrix, but I have to say that both movies are at the top of my list. As for some of the things being said about fight club, if you read the book stuff will make more sense. They changed a lot of shit around. And they cut a lot of stuff out.
This may spoil something for some of you so don't read it if you plan to read the book.
That thing in the car is totally different in the book, it is some other guy driving along with the "Narrator" and Tyler in the front and some "space monkeys" in the back, on thier way to get the fat. And the fat they use in the beginning is Marla's Mom's fat which she sends to Marla so she can use it to "smooth" wrinkles in her face. (She stores it in Tyler's freezer.
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ScruplaniS
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One added note about the car scene in fight club. According the commentary on the DVD with David Fincher, Brad Pitt, and Ed Norton, there is actually a "continuity error" in the scene. If you watch and notice after the car flips over, Ed Norton’s character is getting out of the drivers side. Clearly he was not driving to begin with.
Just my $.02
one of my managers has fight club on dvd and he said they explain tyler's wardrobe in the commentaries. most of it actually came out of brad pitt's own closet. the bathrobe belonged to one of pitt's roommates years ago and got left behind when one of them moved.
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I kinda liked both movies, but you're right..you have to watch it more than once to actually get what's going on.
and all of you complaining about "how could tyler have been driving if he was just a figment of ed's imagination..." same kinda thing with tyler holding the gun in ed's mouth.... use your fucking imagination here...most of the shots we see are through ed's eyes, not through the eyes of an observer...and as for him getting out of the drivers seat...maybe that wa a clue to tell us "hey wait...ed was actually driving" i mean really...
I know you're all gonna kill me, but put down the corkscrew and hear me out. I read the book before I saw the movie (and some jackass spoiled the secret before THAT). And I mean, the movie was good, but the book worked better. Plus I never did get to see the movie on the big screen, which I guess detracted from it.
By the way, in the scene with Fight Club members trying to start fights with strangers, anybody know the name of that song that's playing?
Ask any russian, they'll know.
As much as i loved the matrix, i'm gonna have to say Fight Club was better.
Matrix was a great analogy, and used that litle htought everybody has in the back of their minds, except the concept was completely thought through, and had occasional idealistic tendencies. And the end had that typical american hapy crap ending.
Fight Club was genious, i could find no argument with it. the philosophy is though through. I was realy surprised, it was almost everything i was ranting about, demonstarted well. in the end fight club said "fuck it, u dont need it", while the matrix just looked at the shiny leather pants and said "oooooohh".
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Fight Club has more relation and can be identified with by the average American, albeit that Tyler Durden seemed to be leaning (if not fallen directly into the category of) communist/socialist. "We reject the basic assumptions of civilization, especially the importance of material possessions." Destroying credit records, a franchise coffee house, corporate art, and the way he treated and preached to members of "Project Mayhem."
Kinda funny, actually. The Matrix has no intellectual implications besides the fact that most bosses are fucking assholes ("The time has come to make a choice, Mr. Anderson...")
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Originally posted by jim:
All I know is I felt cheated. The Sixth Sense wasn't that good of a movie, but *ATTENTION MOVIE SPOILER* at the end when you find out he was dead. You can go back through the whole movie, and see that he never interacts with any one but the boy. He never opens doors, moves chairs, nothing like that. It surprised the shit out of me, but I didn't feel like the producers pulled one over on me. The fact that he was a ghost was there the WHOLE time. You just had to pick up on it, and nobody does. Watching fight club for the first time, there really is no forshadowing to the end. It's not laid out for you to figure out yourself. They just sneak it in at the end, and expect us to go 'Cool'... Fuck that. That movie rocked until the end.Cost=Ũ.02
no clue?.. what about the entire time, when tyler and the chick were having sex, and ed was having dreams about having sex with the girl.. it all works out.
tyler and ed's character never hold a conversation witht the same person at the same time.
and ed crawls out of the driver's seat after the wreck.?
(sneaking it in at the end?) do what?
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I know that post is way back, so far back in fact that one might even have to "scroll up" to bask in its glow. However, it's such total shit that I'm forced to put this guy in his place. This is all from memory so if you feel like correcting me or argumenting (in the DOS kind of way) my piece with a comment of your own, feel free. No.
Foreshadowing, foreshadowing...
When he's fighting himself in from of his boss:
"For some reason I was reminded of my first fight, with Tyler."
After the montage with the different airports:
"If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, can you wake up as a different person?" (He says that just as we see Tyler go by on the moving walkway).
When he first arrives at Tyler's house on paper street:
Jack (Ed's name in the screenplay):"Where's your car?" (Reffering to the red sports car Tyler got into earlier). Tyler: "What car?"
I'll admit that's debatable and subtle at best, but on the other hand you have six people.
When Jack's chasing Tyler (after he finds the flight reciepts): "Is Tyler my bad dream or am I Tyler's?"
There's more...Jack mentions deja-vu in a lot of places...and as for the conversation in the car:
When Tyler's explaining to Jack what's going on, he says "sometimes you imagined yourself watching me". This could explain Ed in the passenger seat.
This is a classic example of an unreliable narrator. See "American Psycho".
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Fight Club CAN'T be compared to The Matrix since they share nothing in common aside from the fact that both are movies.
Being John Malkovich is a movie that should be compared to Fight Club. They both shared a certain tongue in cheek humour, they both threw predictability out the window, they both had a solid cast to work from.
If you wanted to compare The Matrix, then you'd have to use another timeless Sci Fi film like Blade Runner.
Oh, and for the record: I liked Blade Runner and Being John Malkovich better than either Fight Club or The Matrix, but that doesn't mean that either of the latter two movies didn't appeal to me. If they hadn't appealed to me, I wouldn't have bothered watching them.
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Dark City came out a year (or so) earlier and was the exact same story. Messiah wakes up into "real world" in water. Finds out he has super powers. Unravels society to discover a powerful third party has created reality. In the end the character wins over the "evil", but sadly is still in the same place. (Dark city still flying through space..no way to go home) Matrix still in the Matrix...realy world still run by machines....human=9volt
So...Matrix was in some ways a rip off of Dark City. Or you could say it was a techo version of Dark City.
Anyway...that would be a better comparrison as they both deal with the EXACT same plot, morality, and existential existance.
"First person that comes out this door, gets a... ...A lead sallad!"
and etc.
Matrix was good, fight club I liked... but I can't decide... Matix was a great action movie, FC was a good (drama?) I dunno... "wow" movie...
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It's "Being John Malkovich".
regards, reman
Proof:
30 Fight Club (1999) 8.3/10 (14660 votes)
31 Being John Malkovich (1999) 8.3/10 (9592 votes)
32 Matrix, The (1999) 8.3/10 (32417 votes)
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Originally posted by reman:
Proof:
30 Fight Club (1999) 8.3/10 (14660 votes)
31 Being John Malkovich (1999) 8.3/10 (9592 votes)
32 Matrix, The (1999) 8.3/10 (32417 votes)
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Call me dumb, but what is that? Poll for the best movie?
Being John Malkovich was pretty cool too, although it was weeeird. I definately could see some fight club influences in it's style.
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