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~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman)

"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
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[This message has been edited by AnimalPrime (edited May 23, 2000).]

*beep beep* level 5 class supernova flame aborted. have a nice day.

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AnimalPrime, I sure the hell hope you are wearing flame retardant clothing, because you just set yourself up.

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I'm more man than you are, and more woman than you'll ever get!

lol the offending nazi had no comeback

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[This message has been edited by AnimalPrime (edited May 24, 2000).]

Get over it! Its not your life its theirs. Just shut your red neck mouth and look the other way.

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It should be don't ask, don't tell in society, not just the military. It's not natural, it's sick, twisted, and disgusting...

Unless of course we are talking about chicks?? Mmmmmmm.....

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Personally, I do not make friends with people of limited frame of mind, and I look down greatly on those who can't accept a lifestyle other than their own. It just shows me how shallow the person and scared of what they can't understand.

And that quote from Matthew 7:1 depends largely on what translation of the Bible you have. No matter how you word it, the principle is the same. If we judge others for their deeds, we leave ourselves open to judgment by others. I would hate to be on a jury, because I don't think I would do well at it at all.

No problem AP, just it would be best to think twice before posting comments of that nature in the future if you don't want to be flamed.

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Back before my day, faggots was used as a term for the "new" (lower levels, young 'uns) boys coming into some sort of a boarding school. These boys were given the job of errand boys for the more senior guys. They would be at their beck and call and also under their discipline. So in this context, to "fag" for someone means to be under that someone's errand boy.

I picked all this up reading one book or the other so it is mostly my impressions and memories. To hell with it that my memory is like a seive ;)

*sigh* good thing my boss is away today...
work done as of 3 hrs ago: NIL

*tiptoes quietly away*

Judge on, my brothers!!! I'm the type who speaks my mind, and if other want to talk about/judge me or whatever. Be my guest. I bet I get my 8 hours of sleep everynight.

Ugh. that just makes my stomach churn... nasty mother fuckers!!!

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I think u guys may have misunderstood my comments, and thats prolly my fault. All I
really ment to say was that I didn’t particularly like the whole idea of homosexuality, it really isn’t natural. I did want to come across as a gay basher or anything like that. Oh and it got a rise out of you guys so it wasn’t all bad. I found it kind of funny actual. For jim, you suck!!!!!! HOPE U GET FLAMED WORSE THEN ME!! And dont call me a fucking red neck!!

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OK, so why do I suck??? If you are defending fags, then YOU, are the one doing some serious sucking... And who the hell called you a redneck???? You guys can call me one if you'd like. I'm not, but I'm from Texas!!!

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I could care less if you are a 'pillow biter' or not. JUST DON'T FUCKING TALK TO ME!!!! If you want to go off licking hairy asses I don't want to know about it.

It should be don't ask, don't tell in society, not just the military. It's not natural, it's sick, twisted, and disgusting...

Unless of course we are talking about chicks?? Mmmmmmm.....

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and think about this, what if you lived in a culture that decided it was wrong for you to love puntang? whould you stop, I wouldnt.

Look, I don't condone any one way of life or another. I live my life the way I want to, and I think that everyone should have the right to live the same way. At my core, I am a heterosexual. I would never pretend to be anything else, because I am who I am. So why should people who live differently have to follow different rules?

Grow up and get your freakin' heads out of the dark ages. If someone isn't bothering you, why the hell should you be able to tell them how to live?

Just worry about making the most out of your own life. If you go through your life absessing over what other people are doing, I can guarantee that your life will be a shitty mess.

-Firefox

i'm not into it myself, but i don't give a rat's ass what anyone else does. i work with three lesbians (at least) and i honestly don't give a shit what or who they do. i think the whole idea of lesbians is somewhat absurd: if they were really lesbians then they wouldn't touch you with a ten foot dildo. granted that every man's dream is to nail two - or more - hot chicks at the same time, but they'd have to be bi to let you do that. or maybe really wasted, take your pick.

so i guess that wasn't really all i had to say...

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If you lived in a world where everyone practiced beastiality, and you thought is was wrong and didn't want anything to do with it, how the hell would you feel if everyone said "Look at the weirdo! He is sick! He is a natural abbhoration because he dosen't do what we do! HE WOULD RATHER SCREW A WOMAN THAN A GOAT!!! WHAT A SICKO!!!"

Look, I don't condone any one way of life or another. I live my life the way I want to, and I think that everyone should have the right to live the same way. At my core, I am a heterosexual. I would never pretend to be anything else, because I am who I am. So why should people who live differently have to follow different rules?

Grow up and get your freakin' heads out of the dark ages. If someone isn't bothering you, why the hell should you be able to tell them how to live?

Just worry about making the most out of your own life. If you go through your life absessing over what other people are doing, I can guarantee that your life will be a shitty mess.

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You know what...Fuck you! You pull out this high and mighty shit and act like your sooooo much better then everyone else, well we live the way we want to too! What is it to you if someone bashes a fag? You just went and bashed the fag bashers didn't you? so shut the fuck up!!!! and dont get your head out of dark ages..just open your eyes and look around! And apprently you are obsesed with what other people are doing ASS!

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Here is a twisted story for you all. One of my "friends", who wasn't gay that I knew of, started spreading rumors that I was gay (Grade 10). Well that just fucking made me so mad when I found out it was him and some skank friend of his. Even my friends today still remember that shit and tease me about it. Turns out that this "friend" ended up "coming out" in grade 12 now he is one of those people who dance around flaunting that they are gay.

Really society today gives me one big fucking headache. Oh, and for the record, for all you out there dying to go around bashing I AM NOT GAY, so don't even fucking start.

Note: That is one reason I hated about moving to new places every 3 or so years, all the fucking assholes out there that just want to torture others. And I have to add that maybe that is why I'm so antisocial now, I blame society.

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There is a difference between the two. What you're advocating is a society of complete anarchy. No civility, no rules, everybody doing whatever the hell they please. However, living in society necessitates that people give up some freedoms for the sake of cohesion. Think about how well society would function if everybody could simply grab a shotgun and pull a Columbine every time they got annoyed. It'd be none too pleasant and it'd fall apart pretty quickly. I could be wrong, but I think what Firefox is suggesting is that if all of us give up a little bit of our freedom (i.e. the freedom to hurt others whom we disagree with), and if we all try to be a little more tolerant and understanding, then we all benefit and win greater freedom.

If you are truly intent on being spiteful to those whom you disagree with and are unwilling to show a bit of tolerance and understanding towards those who are different from you, then perhaps you'd appreciate living in Bosnia or Rwanda. I've heard that the people of those countries are pretty open with their hostilities...

Trust me my friend, if you had to live in a country where everybody actually acted out on their hostility, and simply said every hurtful thing that popped into their head, you'd realize Firefox's choice of 'dark ages' is an apt metaphor. When the only rule is 'Might is Right' life is pretty 'short, nasty, and brutish'.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you've got a prejudice and you're unwilling to consider the other side's viewpoint, then it's probably best for you to remain silent on the subject. Not only does it make life more tolerable for all concerned, but it's also practical. You never know, somebody out there might take your comments to heart and take it upon themselves to correct your prejudiced ways by means more unpleasant than words.

A society that grants absolute freedom to its citizens is no society at all.

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"...all i was getting at was that we all have a prejudice of one kind or another so dont act like u dont! and i hope to god Hiro that u are not american cause your countries whole polocy on about every thing is might is right!"

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Ok. First off I'm a Canadian too. I live in metropolitan Toronto (but even if I was an American it would be a fallacy to associate national policies with me as an individual). Secondly, yes, the human mind has the unfortunate tendency of forming stereotypes, and I think that you're right, everyone has them (yes, I admit that I'm guilty as charged). However, just because the human mind has natural prejudicial tendencies does not mean that it is right to act out on them (i.e. when you announce your prejudicial thoughts in a forum for everyone to see, that's different from keeping homophobic rhetoric to yourself).

Thirdly, with respect to my comment on 'consider[ing] the other side's viewpoint...' by that I meant that adopting the 'other's' pov will often lead one to empathize with or at least understand someone else's position. Each of us shares more in common with one another as opposed to differences from each other. It's easy to lose sight of this fact and to become fixated on differences, and I think that this is what leads to the harmful practice of labelling things in terms of 'us and them'.

Finally, it seems to me that you hold a similar opinion to mine(at least that's what your comments in the 'immigrants' thread suggest), so I'm not sure why you are so adamant that 'fag bashing' is ok. The way I see it, if you are willing to show tolerance for people with different cultural backgrounds then it shouldn't be a great leap to show tolerance for people of differing lifestyles.

Perhaps I've misunderstood your statements. If so, please clarify your position.

Overall I think homosexuality is wrong, but bashing is just as wrong. But so are the extremes taken by some groups to...to do whatever they're trying to do...

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What I have a problem with is gay people that flaunt it. For example, the gay pride day marches. THAT is just wrong... And I don't see how it helps their position. I really don't. If they want to be accepted as a part of society, why do they continually point out their differences?

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Yeah, I think that's the other side of the coin. I don't think it helps the gay 'community' either. I think the logic behind it though, is to bring the issue into the open so that people become accustomed to the idea of homosexuality. Unfortunately, in the case of the parade this approach is somewhat offensive because some of the people involved are insistent about exposing themselves indecently. This is in clear violation of the laws that everybody else must follow. Naturally, this creates resentment.

Take care not to generalize too much from the paraders(sp?), though. I've spoken to some gay individuals who are also offended by the actions of these people. Perhaps even more so, since they must deal with the stigma that's created by this small but highly visible group. Realize that just as there are individuals who have to 'flaunt' it, there are also gay people who do not, and who are even offended by such actions.

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You know what...Fuck you! You pull out this high and mighty shit and act like your sooooo much better then everyone else, well we live the way we want to too! What is it to you if someone bashes a fag? You just went and bashed the fag bashers didn't you? so shut the fuck up!!!! and dont get your head out of dark ages..just open your eyes and look around! And apprently you are obsesed with what other people are doing ASS!

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That dosen't make any sense. So you are saying we should all have the right to do whatever we want? If someone's belief is that every man woman and child on earth should die, should we stand back and let them because by golly, we have to have absolute freedom?

Look, there's a BIG difference here. I didn't fucking say you had to like homosexuality. NO ONE here has said that for cryin' out loud. I don't have any affinity for it- personally, I think that there is a much greater chance of contracting a STD living a homosexual life than a heterosexual one, and I think the idea of gay pride parades is stupid... but what does that matter? It sure doesn't effect me in any way. I can sit down and say "you know what? I don't like the idea of those parades, so I'm not going to watch them." What's so hard about that?

All I am saying is that people should have the choice to do and think what they want, AS LONG AS that doesn't infringe on anyone else's right to do the same. You seem to be obsessed with the stereotypical American opinion that freedom should be valued above everything else. So if this is true, why shouldn't gays have the freedom to do what they want too without being persecuted?? Or is the perspective "Freedom should be valued above everything else... but only for people who think like I do. Everyone else can go to hell and die"?

The_Hiro is right- if this is the way someone thinks, they may as well move to a country full of bigotry and violence, because they will be a lot happier there.

And why do you think I am so "high and mighty"? Because I stated my opinion, and how I felt about the issue? Isn't that what everyone else on this page is doing?

and gays fagging it up in public is fine with me i dont have to watch it isn't hurting anyone is it? Freedom should be valued abouve all else, having it not dosn't make anysence to me. Then thigs would be like comunist russia or nazi germany and no one would have any rights to take away some freedom is to take it all away!

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As for my views on it, as long as you stay the fuck away from me.. fine whatever. I think the best arguement that homosexuality isn't natural is the simple fact that you can't get the other pregnat and reproduce, the whole basic carnal point of sex. The fact that sex (hetro-sex) just kicks complete ass is a really beneficial side effect. Homo's can't naturally reproduce, therefore shouldn't exist. (Y'know Darwins whole evolution theroy..survival of the fittest and all that)

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Hiro, your gay arn't you? Just making sure
... I think the best arguement that homosexuality isn't natural is the simple fact that you can't get the other pregnat and reproduce, the whole basic carnal point of sex. ... Homo's can't naturally reproduce, therefore shouldn't exist. (Y'know Darwins whole evolution theroy..survival of the fittest and all that)

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Ah, yes. The personal attack. Good move!
You do realize that's logically invalid? (i.e If you're going to argue with me deal with my arguments. Attempting character assasination (or at least what you construe to be such) only has the effect of making you look weak-minded).

To be honest, I'm really sick of people propagating ignorance and hate. The world's becoming a smaller place and I think we had all better start learning to get along with each other. I think that the best way to do that is through education and open-mindedness. But if you think that requires too much effort just say so. I'll understand.

With respect to your argument from evolution, I sincerely hope that you were joking. Otherwise you've seriously misunderstood and misappropriated Darwin's theory of natural selection (I hate it when people do that). Consider the following problem that Darwin wrestled with: Why is it that altruistic behaviour exists even when it has no apparent contribution to an individual's fitness? For instance, all the worker bees in a hive are sterile; they have zero chance of passing on their genes. By your brilliant reasoning there should be no worker bees at all since they are unable to pass their genes on to future generations. But the fact is that they do exist. You've committed the fallacy of thinking that selection takes place on the level of the individual. It doesn't. Selection takes place at the level of the gene. So if you were truly serious (hard to believe), then your biology teacher has failed miserably and you'd best read some books on the subject (e.g. Richard Dawkins, "The Selfish Gene" or Robert Wright's, "Moral Animal"). Otherwise you're going to appear ignorant next time you bring evolution up in a conversation. And we wouldn't want that, would we?

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i said high and mighty cause that is what you sounded like . It makes perfect sence in western civilization every one is intitled to their own opinion..so if someone belives everyone shouold die they can think that and say that, not saying that it is right, and as soon as it becomes infringent on someone else's right to exist or think what they want it is not cool. Your just acting like a prick and telling us we all in the dark ages for having a prejudice aginst anything and acting like you dont. It is human nature to have prejudice we fear what is diffrent!

and gays fagging it up in public is fine with me i dont have to watch it isn't hurting anyone is it? Freedom should be valued abouve all else, having it not dosn't make anysence to me. Then thigs would be like comunist russia or nazi germany and no one would have any rights to take away some freedom is to take it all away!

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Well, fine then, we are agreed on one thing at least- that people can think what we want. If you want to think that gays suck, that's your opinion. The fact though, is that when people say "I think all fags should die" it isn't neccesarily just an idle comment- those kinds of statements CAN and often DO lead to direct action. Words are very powerful man, and simply saying something like that can easily lead to violence.

And I'm a "prick" because I was telling you you were all 'garbage' because you had prejudices or something? Wow, you must be extrapolating a hell of a lot from what I am saying. First of all, I don't think I ever said something like "Anyone with a prejudice sucks..." And I never said that people don't have prejudices- of course, we ALL have prejudices of some sort or another. And yeah, it's a part of human nature, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to change it. Killing each other is also a part of human nature- we ARE competitive animals, after all. That doesn't mean we should just give on the idea of trying to increase peace and make the world a better place.

Some people are so damn defensive, and think that everyone is out to get them. Calm down. It's just MY opinion, already.

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"Violence only begets violence"
-Ghandi

Let me reiterate: Selection takes place at the level of the gene, not the individual. If you look at the case of bees or termites, you'll realize that while drones themselves lack the capability to reproduce (and somehow I don't think this is a choice on their part) they still exist and their genes continue to get propagated. Why? Because by serving the queen who shares their genes, they help to ensure that their own genes get passed on. So, just because you're not macking doesn't mean that your genes are doomed to oblivion.

Another possibility is that 'gay genes' are like sickle cell anemia. To clarify, sickle cell anemia is a hereditary condition that when fully expressed is usually fatal. Yet partial expression of the trait confers the benefit of greater resistance to malaria. Not surprisingly, the sickle cell anemia trait is prevalent in Africa where its adaptive value is greater than its cost. By analogy, it's possible that while the full expression of gay genes is disadvantageous, partial expression confers some form of advantage - it may result in a more sensitive hetero which women find attractive (I dunno. This is pure speculation). The point is, there's a lot more to natural selection and the theory of evolution than most people think. The Darwinian mantra "survival of the fittest" is rather misleading and shouldn't be taken at face value.

Again, please read some books about evolution, or study your biology text harder. It's kinda of tiring trying to clear up these misconceptions.

I certainly love hearing what everyone thinks about this (bashing, caring, good or bad). So I'd like to give my point of view on this.

I am a 19 year old gay male. I grew up in a little preppy California town where "nobody" was gay. I had to hide myself for 4 years in high school, in that time only coming out to one person (who is my best friend).

I grew up in a family where homosexuality was present (other family members, aunts uncles, etc.) and was accepted, so I guess you could say I grew up around it. It was never really talked about, but everyone knew that "it" was present.

No matter what the studies say, I believe that your sexual orientation is both genetically and socialally determined. I must say that mine was; growing up repressed wasn't much fun, and having the idea of being gay as being OK from as far back as I can remember probably had something to do with it.

--At this point I nust apologize for the randomness of this... it's Saturday and I'm at work, trying to dodge having to actually do anything. I'm pretty tired and would rather be at home asleep =)

When I finally started coming out to my friends (after graduation), most of them wouldn't believe me. One of them (a girl, also one of my best friends) told me she always knew I was too nice to be straight. I didn't come out to my family (actually just my Mom, my Dad still doesn't know) until after my 19th birthday.

I am not the stereotypical "gay man", I don't act flamboyant, do interior decorating or acting, etc. etc. etc. I know a lot of people that act "really gay", and it bothers me sometimes. I don't go around flaunting that fact that I'm gay, nor do I hide from it. If someone asks me about it I answer them truthfully. I've gotten tired of hiding from it.

What irks me most about some people is that they can't be open minded. I understand how some people (jim. AnimalPrime, j0eSmith) don't like the idea of it. They may have been raised in settings where it wasn't accepted, or ever talked about. They may have had bad experiences with gay men showing interest in them (I don't know this for fact, it's just a possibility, so I thought I'd mention it). However, that doesn't give you the right to pass any sort of judgement on me or anyone else.

One thing that always has bothered me is the PDA (and I didn't speak out in that forum because it wouldn't fit in quite right). If I were to walk down the street with my boyfriend hand-in-hand, or maybe give him a hug or a kiss, I would feel really uncomfortable. Not because it's a strange thing to do to me, but because (almost) everyone around would be put out/uncomfortable/bothered/whatever about it. I don't like putting people in situations where they would feel uncomfortable, so I just don't do it. However, I don't like it when I do decide to do that and am accused of flaunting my homosexuality. If it were a girl I was walking down the street with, would I be instantly accused of flaunting my heterosexuality? I think not.

I have had the unfortunate experience of having judgement passed on me quite a few times. People who were quite close to me in high school now won't talk to me. I have been threatened with physical violence by people who barely know me.

Worst of all, a person that I've known since I moved up here (8th grade), who was for a year my boyfriend, roommate, and quite a bit else, and whom I loved more than anything else, had his mind turned by another person that I (at that time) called my friend. That other person holds a similar attitude to that of what I'll call a "gay-basher". He talked my boyfriend into believing that what he was doing was wrong, and that if I was willing to let him have any sort of relationship that wasn't completely heterosexual that I was evil yadda yadda yadda.

Because of the close-mindedness of this certain person, I lost the only person that I've ever loved. Had it been something that was expected I wouldn't have had the difficulty with it that I have, but I came home one day to find him packing his stuff up. All he told me was that he hated me and never wanted to talk to me again.

Being unwilling to accept anything that you don't consider "normal" can hurt other people more than you might think. So please think before you speak out against something.

OK, that's my $.02. I await all of your flame mail with great anticipation =)

PS: you can buy faggots in England. They're cheap and tasty. I eat them when I'm almost broke. For those of you confused, they are kind of like meatballs in gravy. Tesco sells them. Thought that was quite funny that they still call them that.

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One thing that really pisses me off is people who use "gay" as an insult. I guess some people are just ignorant and don't care to learn the truth.

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I'm usually not insulted when anyone throws crap in my direction. The only time that someone has been able to hurt me with their words was in the case of my ex-everything... after doing everything I had for him in the previous year it wasn't really something that couldn't hurt me.

I'm sure that there are many gay couples out there that feel the same way about anal sex, and are content just to love each other. And whats wrong with that?

I have never slept with a "hairy guy". Most people's idea of a gay man is some big, nasty, leather-wearing biker guy. I personally am turned off very much by that.

But that's just me. Some people are into that sort of thing.

One thing I don't like is that some people *ahem* think that gay men are only into sex, or whatever. I (personally) am currently looking for a relationship of some kind. Sex isn't all that important. You can live without it. But it's pretty hard to live without someone else to love. =(

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Wanker.

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You know what I do if there's a topic that I don't like? I don't post to it. Dickface.

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then again, i would much prefer to befriend a gay guy... they are usually much better dancers, and sorry to say but my gay guy friends are superiorly hot compared to the straight guys around here.

if a lesbian hit on me, i would be as offended as an ugly guy hitting on me

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The whole purpose of forums is to express ideas back and worth.

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I completely agree. But you're not expressing ideas. All you're doing is expressing your unfounded and irrational bigotry. Note: Feelings != Ideas (i.e. Unless you can provide logical arguments in support of your position you're not adding anything to the discussion).

I completely support freedom of speech (in this case, I support your right to babble incoherently). But let's call a spade a spade. You're not here to engage in discussion. You just want people to affirm that your ignorance is okay. Sorry, not going to happen.

The whole purpose of forums is to express ideas back and worth.

Personally I think all pillow bitters should drop off the face of the earth. That's my opinion AND I'M GONNA FUCKING POST IT!

I don't tell you dick suckers NOT to post.

Go fuck yourselves.

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Just like you have the right to hate people who are different, I have the right to hate you for being a shithead. See? And you know what else? I have the right to think--and even suggest to you!--that if you dislike a topic so strongly, you can NOT post to it. And I even have the right to say:

Shut up, you homophobic retard.

It's called freedom of speech. Yes, the same thing that lets you drool out anti-gay rhetoric also gives me the ability to say that I think you should shut the fuck up.

So, shut up, you homophobic retard.

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But where is Gamera?

Are you not disgusted by women who like golden showers? Shit eaters? Or guys that sit in bathtubs and get off by women puking on them? I know I am....

I'm also disgusted with male homosexual sex.

Me liking someone has to do with me and my compatable interests with them. There are plenty of straight men I don't like. But, it takes me getting to know them to find out. As for gay men, I just know before we ever speak. I don't feel comfortable around them, talking to them, nothing... I don't want anything to do them.

I also don't like murderers, rapists, and child poronographers... Care to knock me that? Well..... What's the fucking difference?!?!?

None.

So again. Kiss my ass!

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Now, jim, you tell me what's the difference between what you're saying and THAT.

There is none. Get it, dickface?

You remind me of a guy I talked to once who compared being Jewish to being a child molester.

Anyways, you should be HAPPY there are gays around for idiots like you to bash on! You can't say things about the blacks or the Jews, that's socially unacceptable. But you can still hate the fags!

Oh well. Not like I'm going to change our mind. But hey, I can still bask in the self-esteem boosting glow of your sheer idiocy.

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But where is Gamera?

Though I could probably be fine talking to someone I knew was gay, I would never become very good friends with them, for the reason that I would never become comfortable with them. Call me what you will, but that's how I feel. Just becuase you do not agree with homosexuality, does NOT mean you are a homophobe.

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Originally posted by jim:
I also don't like murderers, rapists, and child poronographers... Care to knock me that? Well..... What's the fucking difference?!?!?

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Right. Your logic is indisputable. Two consenting adults having a relationship with one another is equivalent to a man forcibly taking a woman, an adult taking sexual advantage of a child, or a person killing another human being without justification.

Wow. You know what I've just realized. Your vast intellect is being squandered here. We need you working on real problems like world hunger. With the genius you've just displayed I'm sure you could solve all of humanity's major problems in a day. So, uh, why don't you go get started on that?

Look, don't bother trying to defend your position. Just acknowledge that you're ignorant bastard and we'll leave it at that.

There are lots of other people I'm not comforable around. Extreme religous fanatics for example. They just make me uncomfortable, theres nothing else to it. There is no 'bigger picture' nor any 'deeper meaning'. For once just take it at face value. Not everything needs to be read into, analyzed and chewed up.

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When my flying days are over, and my death has come to pass
I hope they bury me upside down, so the whole damn world can kiss my ass

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< Brews and Cues >

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Nuke em' till they glow and shoot em’ in the dark and let the computer sort em' out.
Then wait for a mutation…

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Originally posted by Wolfguard:
Hey Joe,
Do you go out of your way to bash them like that moron jim does? Being a homophobe is not a bad thing. Being an intolerent fucknugget(jim) is.

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Agree with Wolfguard there. That's a key distinction. We've all got irrational prejudices (as you've pointed out), and the fact that they're irrational means we usually can't think ourselves out of them. But having an irrational prejudice and acting on it (or acting proud of it as jim likes to do), are two very different things. Civil society is built upon the idea of tolerance for differences. Take that away and we're no better than a bunch of savages.

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Just becuase you do not agree with homosexuality, does NOT mean you are a homophobe.

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(From Webster's dictionary)
Homophobia - Unreasoning fear or hatred of homosexuals and homosexuality.

I think it's pretty safe to say that jim qualifies for homophobic status (e.g. "...should drop off of the face of the earth."). But feel free to defend his homophobia. I don't mind. It's better to have ignorance out in the open for everyone to see, than to have it veiled and hidden.

And another thing: Ask yourself why you feel uncomfortable around homosexuals. If you can't come up with any logical justification, then congratulations. You sir, by definition, are a homophobe.

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"Niggers" as you put in in your example can't help being black. Or dark skinned..whatever. It's genetic.

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But they can help where they live. That's a choice they have. And it's their choice whether they go outside. I mean, if they had any sense of decency they'd do us all a favour and stay in their run-down tenament buildings (or better yet, move back to Africa. Best case scenario would be if they all killed themselves). I mean, why should I be forced to look at them when they have the power to stay out of my sight? Hmmm?

And really, c'mon. Negroid characteristics are disgusting. I could never be friends with a negroid. And I know this before I even talk to them cause they make me uncomfortable. I think we should make it a national priority to eradicate these disgusting negroids.

Oh, and one last thing (since I'm already spewing hate and ignorance). I hate Christians. And there's no doubt in my mind that they freely choose to be Christians, so they deserve all of my animosity. I really think that those repulsive Christians should all be united with their God (If you catch my drift... haw haw. Aren't I funny and clever).

Whoa! Brainstorm! I just got this great idea. Let's round up a bunch of Christians, put them in a stadium, and feed them to some lions whilst charging admission. Yeah, I know what you're thinking, "How unoriginal." But then again, the ignorant and the intolerant have never been big on creativity.

[This message has been edited by The_Hiro (edited August 15, 2000).]

Assuming my liberal propaganda is wrong, and being gay IS a choice, why would someone choose that, out of curiosity? I mean, it just sounds like a great deal, doesn't it...

The threat of being beaten to death, a higher risk of AIDs and other sexually transmitted diseases, fear of being unaccepted socially, losing friends, having your family hate you...All that and sex that leaves your ass sore. I fail to see the reason one would choose that.

And I can see a logical reason behind feeling uncomfortable around extreme religious fanatics. They tend to try and convert atheists/people of other religion. And they can be very obnoxious about it, and very narrow-viewed...Well, no, I can't see why you'd feel uncomfortable around them.

Anyways, despite all Christian propoganda, I have yet to hear of an actual case of a gay guy attempting to convert a straight guy, let alone so vehemently as extremely religious people tend to.

Oh well. All I have to say is:

Fucknugget! Fucknugget! That's a great word.

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But where is Gamera?

The problem I see with some of the people posting here, is that they think their irrational impulses are logically grounded. These people start from their irrational prejudices and attempt to support their position after the fact (usually fooling themselves into believing they're position is logically justified). Naturally, because they have built their position on such an unsound foundation, it falls apart at the slightest touch.

My take on prejudices is that we've all got them. Evolution has predisposed the human mind to be prejudicial (at one point we lived in small tribes, and it was adaptive to be xenophobic). But today we live in a society where such mechanisms are maladaptive and often harmful to ourselves and those around us. Fortunately, humans have the ability to reason; we don't have to be slaves to our animal origins. Our ability to reason allows us to transcend our baser instincts.

Anyhow, this is all a leadup to the following take I have on ethics: We should know our prejudices, acknowledge them for the irrational impulses that they are, and attempt to overcome them in our actions. That's not so complicated, now is it?

Someone was mentioning that sometimes you just don't feel comfortable around people or just feel strange around them... you know what that is likely? Unfamilliarity. Anything that is very new and very strange to you will likely seem really unwelcome. I admit too... seeing guys walk around in full drag still creeps me out. But I have (heterosexual) friends who live downtown that
don't even turn a blind eye... we will be walking down the street, and pass some guy in a dress, and he won't even stop to look... why? Because he sees them every day. He's used to them, they aren't anything new or threatening.

I think it's the same way with anything. The more time you spend with ANY group, be it a racial group, religious group, sexual group, and so on, the less uncomfortable and threatened you feel with them. It's the same way with girls, to a certain extent. When guys are growing up, especially when they are younger, most feel uncomfortable around girls. Remember back in like grade 4 when kids would squeal and shout about someone having a "girlfriend", or "run away! They have cooties"? well, after about a decade of familiarity with the opposite sex, do we find ourselves still running away from them just because they are girls and we don't like being around them? Well, I think that I can safely say MOST of us don't.

Sure, we all have our prejudices... but who says that opinions and feelings don't change over time and exposure?

Also- (/rant on) I have to agree that saying you like or dislike something and then rationalizing your opinion is one thing, but simply swearing up a storm and screaming about this or that is another thing...

The purpose of this forum is NOT to have discussions like the following:

Person A- "Gay people SUCK SHIT!! I HOPE THEY ALL DIE!!"

Person B- "No they don't!! YOU SUCK SHIT FUCKER!!"

Person A- "No, you are wrong!!! GO TO HELL YOU FAGGOT!!"

Person B- "No, YOU go to hell you fucking asshole!"

Etc. etc... if this is the kind of conversation you were looking for, go join a fucking web chat or something. Forums like this are for intelligent, meaningful conversation, not for some fricking 12 year old to experiment with naughty words his friends taught him.

(/rant off)

-FFox

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"A christian, an anarchist-slash-prostitute, figures out the true meaning of freedom. Not freedom like America, freedom like a shopping cart."
-NOFX

I believe that some people are more disposed to accepting certain attributes, wether it be religious practices, sexuality, ethnicity, looks, marital status. I think these people are more accepting of all these things, ie accepting someone as a whole.

I think there are people out there who go 'I don't like you because your gay', where as I have not seen any of the anti-gay posters on this board say 'Sure I don't like gay sex, but I still have gay friends' Surely something like sexuality, sex, ethnicty don't define us wholly.

Of course the caveat to this is that some people take that which is 'different' and uses that to present their persona. This had led them to being previously villified and oppressed, eg women, and Afro-Americans. But now it is seen as a way of raising awareness within the communities they live in.

Why did I post this...I'm a bigot, I really don't like most organised religions. My mother is a christian (church of englad) but that doesn't make me hate or dislike her. I have christian friends, I didn't find out about it at first but after I found out, I made sure it didn't change the relationship. Did it change the person I knew before into someone I didn't? No, of course not. Only if I was a dickhead would it matter.

What am I trying to say here. (from buddhist teachings, which is one religion I admire)

Learn to have compassion for all people, you don't have to love them or even like them (we're not hippies ya know ). Just feel in your heart a compassion for all things.

regards, reman

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People ask me to fix their computer. I do in 5 seconds.
They say "You think your good don't you".
I say "I know I'm good". People always ask stupid questions.

All:

Yes, being gay is a choice, but its not a choice that should get you driven into the streets and shot. That would be like killing people who snowboard, hey, its a choice too, why not bash them for no reason? or people who eat beets?

To all you Fucknuggets out there. Lighten up! At the end of the road we will all be rotting in a box or taking up space on someones mantel. If you dont like the choices that a person makes then dont talk to them. Its that fucking easy. If you dont pay attention to a person they go away. Look at OJ, as long as they pay attention to that fucknugget he will not go away!

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Nuke em' till they glow and shoot em’ in the dark and let the computer sort em' out.
Then wait for a mutation…

A - gay is name homosexuals chose for themselves as a way to express that this choice has made them happy (gay).

B - ie. "you're happy(gay) aren't you!... you're really f*cking happy(gay) you happywad(gaywad)! well thats just sick, i hope you and all your happy(gay) friends can go have a happy(gay) time!"

you see how that is not insulting at all?
in fact. using homosexual terminology as an insult is prally the dumbest thing you CAN do!.. considering...

*gay = happy
*queer = strange
*homo = sexual prefferance (just as oral and anal are preferrances, and having sex w/ girls is also a prefferance)
*faggot = "you big... uh... big.. uh...BUNDLE OF STICKS!" yeah.... right

and im sure the list goes on.

well... thats my opinion.

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don't ever take me for a fool....
i'm smart enough to walk away.

Heh, reman you don't want to get me started on people who always to to convert and preach thier 'true religion' to you. Organized religon is completly corrupted anyway.

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When my flying days are over, and my death has come to pass
I hope they bury me upside down, so the whole damn world can kiss my ass

1. The catholic church has done so much wrong, they stood by when germany persecuted all the jews, and committed attrocities, they were corrupt where you could oust your enemy by buying papal favour...

2. The catholic church though has also done so much good. they introduced the concept that everyone is an individual and should be loved. they brought reading and writing to the masses...

you can make your own decision, but like all moral and ethical dilemas there is so much grey area.

i hope this has been elightening.

regards, reman

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People ask me to fix their computer. I do in 5 seconds.
They say "You think your good don't you".
I say "I know I'm good". People always ask stupid questions.

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Originally posted by j0eSmith:
Simplymodest: That has to be the stupidest fucking argument I have ever heard. Why don't you just start chanting "I know you are but what am I?" or "I'm rubber your glue bounces off me sticks to you." Just give it up. Lets see..
Queer: Strange, yeah thats insulting.
Faggot: Bundle of sticks to be burnt. Hmmm...

Heh, reman you don't want to get me started on people who always to to convert and preach thier 'true religion' to you. Organized religon is completly corrupted anyway.

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what argument. i was pointing out something. and that was that gay is not a bad term.

actually if you think of it strange isnt a bad term either. everything is strange to you once in your life...

something is strange only cause you don't know anything about it. so calling someone queer (or strange) you're just admitting you own ignorance.

Reman- I think you nailed a pretty good point. It's easy for us to all stand around and classify everything as black and white- for example, "religion- good" or "religion- bad"... but like almost everything in life, nothing is black or white. The church has done a lot of wrong, and religion in itself has caused so many problems over the last few thousand years... but at the same time, it has quite possibly averted many other problems, and has contributed in many areas to man's development. This is why I tend to disagree with people who outright despise every aspect of religion, or conversely, those who blindly follow religious teachings to a point without any thought whatsoever about the validity or those teachings.

That's why, although I consider myself agnostic, I am still rather open minded towards religious ideas and principles.

I better end this real quick, or else I will drift so far off topic that you'll need a GPS tracker to find me.

-FFox

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ICQ: 436346

"A christian, an anarchist-slash-prostitute, figures out the true meaning of freedom. Not freedom like America, freedom like a shopping cart."
-NOFX

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But where is Gamera?

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But where is Gamera?

He also says D'oh! when nothing went wrong, and he doesn't do it right.

every now and then, a vernacular term can add an understated emphasis to something...but when someone uses it all the time like my sister does, well i just wanna choke her.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

i kind of wonder how someone could live every single day in this world, with tv, movies, magazines, newspapers etc and not know what that sticker meant.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

we live in a homophobic world. this is fact. i know kids who use 'gay' as an insult before they even know what it means. me and my girlfriend are kissin on a park bench, one of her little brother's friends shouts "that's so gay!"

i agree that gay pride and stuff like that really dosen't help. would white pride marches go down well? methinks not.

but really, who gives a flying fuck what gays get up to amongst themselves? the rabid homophobes all sound like they fear gay rape if there's a gay man in the room. do women fear rape if there's a straight man in the room? no. as long as they aren't trying anything on with you, why should it make a difference what they do?

thank you and goodnight.

--directhex

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The master has no need for money. And yet he sits and counts it. As a meditation.
-The Book of Cataclysm

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jim
< Brews and Cues >

we tend to forget that every single one of us makes up the only race there really is.... the human race.

the only thing i cannot tolerate is intolerance.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

--directhex

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The master has no need for money. And yet he sits and counts it. As a meditation.
-The Book of Cataclysm

--directhex

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The master has no need for money. And yet he sits and counts it. As a meditation.
-The Book of Cataclysm

Congratulations to all the good texts here, even for those which I don't agree with, because change begins with arguments being shown and discussed.

I GOT THE 100th POSTING TO THIS TOPIC!!! I RULE THE WORLD!!!

Ok, thanks for the compliment.

--directhex

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The master has no need for money. And yet he sits and counts it. As a meditation.
-The Book of Cataclysm

Some of you know me pretty well by now (just look at my post on page 2 on this thread if you haven't seen it yet)

What I'd like to know is if anybody in here (aside from myself and my other 4 personalities, of course) would consider themselves to be gay or lesbian.

I know that most people wouldn't be willing to admit something like that about themselves publically, so I don't expect to get any replies actually in the thread -- it's just that there have been so many passionate responses on this topic that I can't help to think that I'm NOT the only one...

If you have any response to this, please contact me at the E-Mail address in my profile (unless, of course, you feel comfortable enough to put something in the thread itself). However -- it is my work address at a fairly major corporation, and while I could care less as to the content of the message, spam/etc. is not really appreciated... and we have ways of making you suffer =)

Of course, your privacy is respected... I'm not one to go about telling things about everybody else.

i'm not gay, i'm not bi, i'm straight. i know this because i've done enough physical stuff with members of the female gender to know that i got nothing out of it. it's like kissing the back of my hand, and it weirded me out like crazy to feel a boob on someone other than myself.

anyway, i just wanted to go on the record that my 'don't knock it till you tried it' stuff goes for me too.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

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he is in his mid forties, and i am 18. he particularily likes young men (as old men like young women) and frequently compliments me on my eyes, face, arse, whetver. he even slurs at me, but its only as if it were normal behaviour, not something wierd or different. i slur to my best female friends, they laugh. he slurs at me, i laugh with him. as well as him only seeing me as a friend, just as i see my female friends as just friends. he would never do anything to jeopardise our friendship, or his friendship with my father

i am also pretty sure that my dad has done wome experimenting, if not with our friend then with someone else. so what? personally i wouldnt emperiment (yet) but i dont care if he has

as a result of this i have grown up very tolerant. think about it, if a gay guy hits on you (like tries to pick you up or whitles at you or something) just think its the equivalent of a female doing the same thing. its a compliment, no matter which sex it comes from. i know some guys would attemt to even gang bash a gay man for doing that, but its just a compliment guys get over it!

wow i have smoked WAAAY to much pot sorry i am drifting. hehe

and finally. being gay is not a choice. do you think you have the choice to like the opposite sex if you are hetro? just cause you LIKE liking the other sex, doesnt mean you choose it

i like chicken. how would i feel if someone told me that eating chicken is immoral, evil, unnatural and unnacceptible, and instead i had to eat squash all the time. i would be like wtf?! how am i supposed to know that? its just how i naturally feel!

ok i think i have gotten my point accross. it will certainly be interesting reading this tomorrow morning :)

and dont critisice my grammer or whatever pls cause i know what im saying and i couldnt be bothered to fix it

Sorry, seriously, that is how I naturally feel... It makes me un-easy.

I don't go around beating up gay people, but I don't feel comfortable around them at all...

Sorry... I know a lot of you have bashed on me for this opinion, but that doesn't change the way I natuarally feel....

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Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder
< Brews and Cues >

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the way I [naturally] feel....

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And do you suppose you'd "naturally" feel this way if our society weren't so mixed up and homophobic? Phobias like homophobia are societal and the result of upbringing, not natural at all. Suppose I grew up in a society where people of color were looked down on, would that make it "natural" for me to be uncomfortable around them? No. It isn't natural to be uncomfortable around people who are different than you; it is a societal influence on your life, one that has absolutely no place in the world today.

Yet despite the fact that our society is supposedly so open toward gay people, homophobia still grips about 2/3 of our country's people (forgive me if that statistic is a little vague, the idea is that most people are still somewhat homophobic.) Is this natural? You tell me.

I was raised in a part of the backwoods of NH where there was virtually no exposure to such societal influences, and currently feel no qualms around gay people. If a man tried to hit on me, I'd simply let him know I'm not interested. Otherwise, his sexuality is of no concern of mine.

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Just your generic meaningless signature. Mix with 2 quarts water and stir till evenly coated.

This doesn't make it unnatural.

My dad is a HUGE racist. But I'm not. I've never heard my dad mention anything about gay people.

There are many phobias in this world, I don't know why my 'fear' of gay men has to be so different from people who are afraid of the dark, or afraid to walk outside there house...

If you are going to live by the philosophy of accepting all people for who they are, then you have to accept me as well.

But you can't say I accept gay people because they are different, but I don't accept people who are homophobic, because they immorially different.

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jim
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder
< Brews and Cues >

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Originally posted by jim:

My dad is a HUGE racist. But I'm not. I've never heard my dad mention anything about gay people.

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I'm sorry, I just gotta say here that if someone is ignorant enough to be racist, there's almost no doubt they'll hate homosexuals as well..

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aventari
"A witty saying proves nothing." --Voltaire

About the racist thing. I agree with you that he is ignorant. I'm glad you didn't call him stupid though, because that's just not true.

On the other hand I sorta understand where he comes from on this issue.

He grew up in a poor black neiborhood, where he was the minority, in a time when black children were raised to hate white people.

So he had to put up with ass whipping and not having any friends all through growing up and being hated. By the time he started high school things were so bad that his ass whipping were now life threating. He was shot at on a constant basis, and he was even stabbed one time. He ended up having to drop out of high school. HIS dad tried to make him go back, and he ran away.

But he didn't force his beliefs on me. The only time I can ever remember hating him for his beliefs is when he came home one day and I had a black friend at the house, and he told him he needed to leave.

Lots of anger in that guy, but he really got shafted in childhood.

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jim
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder
< Brews and Cues >

I rest my case.
Oh and in my case.... I'd say i'm mostly attracted to girls but if a guy hit on me... whatever. I like to make people happy.

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psy·ci·zo(sï´ kîzö) n
1. A combination of < psycho > and < schizophrenia >.
2. The point at which schizophrenia makes you go insane.

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Originally posted by Psycizo:
I like to make people happy.

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By that I'm pretty sure he didn't mean, "Hell... I guess I could lend a hand..." but, "I'm God's gift... but NOT to men, silly!"

But I could be wrong...

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-< PersonGuy >

My stance is this: I have no problem with gays/lesbians. I have gay/lesbian friends. I am perfectly comfortable - as long as they stay the fuck away from me sexually. (The gay ones at least - if two of my lesbian friends wanted to have a 3some ... ) That doesn't mean that I don't think that buttsex is wrong - which it IS. That's an exit-only hole, people. Jeez.

And about the threesome thing...You want your homosexual friends to stay away from you homosexually...And yet you'll still do a homosexual chick because that turns you on? As a chick, I am insulted by your primitive male thinking. And I don't care if your lesbian friends would want to, if they do, they're bisexual...it's your hypocrisy that makes you seem all the more pathetic.

Flame me if you want, we're all entitled to our own opinions. This is the rant forum after all. I just hope you other guys aren't as sex-crazed as the stomper. And if you are, I hope that you won't want to show it by blatantly flaming me.

--amy

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I am the one, the Alfa and the Omega...I am the Amygdala...

This message has been edited by Amygdala on July 19, 2001 at 09:26 PM

If SM wants to do GW and GW decides it's ok, it the equivilant of GM wants to do SM and SM says it's ok. What you're saying where GM wants to do SM and SM says it's not ok is more like SM wants to do GW and GW says it's not ok.

I know that's confusing... you're saying that GM want's to do SM and SM says it's not ok is that same as... er... now I've confused myself, but trust me... you're wrong...

/shakes head
/eats banana

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"Put the cheese on my bum." -Tom Green
-< PersonGuy >

It's like being in the room with a very unattractive woman. I have no interest in them, but I fear that they would have interest in me. I don't want that sort of attention. It's not a compliment to me. Same with a gay man. It's like knowing that somebody could become attracted to me, but not understand why i'm not attracted back.

It's convoluted and it mixes with my selfish nature, but it's my soul-search-researched explanation for myself.

Not to say that I don't get stunned when there's a really good looking guy around... but mostly that's jealousy. Who knows... I'll stick with my women. They're lots more fun.

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/eats banana

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--amy

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I am the one, the Alfa and the Omega...I am the Amygdala...

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
I think you're using a false analogy.
( S = strait M = man G = gay W = woman )

If SM wants to do GW and GW decides it's ok, it the equivilant of GM wants to do SM and SM says it's ok. What you're saying where GM wants to do SM and SM says it's not ok is more like SM wants to do GW and GW says it's not ok.

I know that's confusing... you're saying that GM want's to do SM and SM says it's not ok is that same as... er... now I've confused myself, but trust me... you're wrong...

/shakes head
/eats banana

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No, what I'm saying is that most men are hypocrites by looking down on homosexuality, but are willing to have sex with lesbians only because they're women, and they think it's kinky.

--amy

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I am the one, the Alfa and the Omega...I am the Amygdala...

and amy, lets be fair. you think that guys shouldnt find 2 women sexy, simply because 2 guys isnt sexy. ill refer to that seinfelf episode where jerry was dating the naked woman. theres good naked, and bad naked. women, more often than not, are good naked. men, nearly always are bad naked. like elaine point out, theres hair everywhere and theres just no flow. the point is this: i think your saying we shouldnt find 2 women hot, because you cant find 2 men hot.

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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here

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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here

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Originally posted by Amygdala:
No, what I'm saying is that most men are hypocrites by looking down on homosexuality, but are willing to have sex with lesbians

--amy

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That's what I said, and I'm still saying it.
Guys, it's not that you should find two men together hot, if you find two women together hot. It's the fact that most of you look down on homosexuality, and veer away from it, but are such sex-crazed hypocrites, that the very thought of doing two lesbians make you all giddy and completely forget that they're homosexuals, and all you can think of is that they're two women.

--amy

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I am the one, the Alfa and the Omega...I am the Amygdala...

This message has been edited by Amygdala on July 25, 2001 at 12:16 PM