Topic: breasts
started by: j1mmy
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Like a flash I'm out-
-Proteun
...My girlfriend didn't understand that... :/
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hehe
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~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman)
"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
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Just your generic meaningless signature. Mix with 2 quarts water and stir till evenly coated.
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~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman)
"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
Even BG did an album called "Hooray for Boobies"
I can't explain why they are so great, they just are. It's insane, out of the girlfriends I've had I've never seen any I didn't like
Ah well, back to being a man again, lol
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-- incubus
As I chase the leaves like the words I never find ...
"I could never be a woman, I would just stay home and play with my breasts all day"
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Like a flash I'm out-
-Proteun
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Just your generic meaningless signature. Mix with 2 quarts water and stir till evenly coated.
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~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman)
"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
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~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman)
"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
Oh, about breasts...I've "had the pleasure" as they say... Did I just lose my geek standing?
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~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman)
"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
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~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman)
"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
Do NOT feed to children!
Inflammeble
Cover your eyes! The bra might snap!
Can cause back pain hence bad temper!
Made in Hong Kong!
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No offense meant towards Liz, for she, so far, is the only girl I have EVER heard of that A: knows jack shit about computers, B: shows intelligence in conversations that are almost 90\% (at least) male orientated, and C: from what I hear pretty good looking too
Maybe I'm just being a total ass here, but I hope that Liz or any other woman/girl/man/bloke/geezer from down the pub with a wooden leg/haemaphrodite can let me in on this one, I damn sure wanna know.
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When darkness calls and the pain and suffering begin again, you can guarantee that I shall be the instigator.
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Kevin "Kayy" Beadle, The Proprietor and Innovator of Kayyos-Vx WebDesigns.
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~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman)
"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
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~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman)
"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
Ok so it's lame think of a better one!
ppbbbbtttt
Damn thing keeps cutting off the | in my little face the first time I post it.
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BOOBIES!!!!!!
schwood!!...
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~Anztac - The guy who had the really long sig (formerly Kriegman)
"I am easily driven into a flying rage by blithering idiots"
-cr0bar [The god of this domain]
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Hooray For Boobies
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Like a flash I'm out-
-Proteun
65\% of them know jack
15\% of them r l33t but look like a bad accident
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20\% of them just know how to operate there email
Please someone save me from this void of lam0rs !!!
I'm the shit!
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raise your hand if you like orange soda.
As for girls knowing about computers, I dont know many that can go beyond the bounds of email/icq/irc, but I know a couple of girlie-type webdesigners that are pretty hot as well as being good with their In fact, I remember once when I was younger getting tought all the moves in Mortal Kombat 2 by a girl. Dont know why I just mentioned that, I just did... ok ------------------ I spell like shit... [This message has been edited by Kolben (edited May 28, 2000).]
As for girls and l33tness: i was at dinner with some friends the other night. We're talking about ADSL and SDSL while using lots of other acronyms. My friend's girlfriend says "What about LMNOP?" That pretty much ended the conversation. As for b00bz0rs: w00rd. Oh, and yeah, I like breasts. ------------------ for you lam0rs... women are not dumb. women like computers. especially when you tell them the reason their computer is faster than their ex-boyfriend's is because he bought a K6-2, which proves he is the stupid twit she thinks he is. meanwhile the thing she's using is an overclocked Celeron with all the memory timings tweaked just for her "special needs"... and then you put your arms around her and whisper "ever heard of Back Orifice? You can email it to him and use it to wipe out his whole machine..." THEN they want to know everything it takes to become a l33t hax0r. and in return you get the nookie. geek tip #0F37Ah, collect them all.
I know you all are in your teens! Bet your girlfriends measure 30-28-32??? Ha! Please, no flames, it was a joke! I'm sure you all have SkinaMAX and know what 'real' breasts are (is there even such a thing anymore??? REAL breasts)` ------------------ Personally, I've got my girlfriend pretty well trained. Surfing the net on my linux box listening to MP3's using my cable modem. Not bad. She laughs at her family in BFE with their slow dial up connection.
Personally, I've got my girlfriend pretty well trained. Surfing the net on my linux box listening to MP3's using my cable modem. Not bad. She laughs at her family in BFE with their slow dial up connection. EightTEEN is still a teen. ------------------ like it was half a lifetime ago... ------------------ as for breasts.....it isnt only chicks that have them nowadays, just ask my physics teacher.
Any followers? I will say one thing for progress, though, NAPSTER. That's right kiddies, chicks use Napster. Even the dumb ones too. Their skillset is turning on AOL, checking email, and pirating music. One thing that really pissed me off the other day was when this one chick IM'd me saying why had i been online for 2 weeks? I'm like I have a permanent INET connection (ADSL) and never turn off my computer. She said (oh, it makes you look nerdy). WTF? I found this one hot as hell chick but she's taken... she told me tho she likes a guy that's smart and once said something like 'you can make a lot of money once you start fiddiling around on the computer'. Erg, I already knew that (I sorta do make a lot of money, ego trip here, hang on, until the plane crashes into the runway...) but she still has yet to learn anything about my computing habbits. I think I'll have her over, and let her draw her own conclusion. She's been having more and more fights with her bf of 2 years, I think it's all going to come to a crashing end soon...... ------------------ The big founder. I suppose that isn't the turn-on of the century.. And i don't speak much (in person) until i already know someone quite well. (ie, i'll answer questions, no idle chatter.) Sigh.
for you lam0rs who don't "understand" women... how can you consider yourselves l33t hax0rs if you don't even attempt to hack the world's most powerful supercomputer? several petaflops at peak operation yep... the human brain is an amazing thing...
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You can too! < http://profiles.yahoo.com/Jim_M22 > Plus, I can't check that link anymore, you changed it!!!! ------------------ breasts are good. breasts are better than good. but don't stare at them. it's like looking into the sun. eventually you're gonna get burned. but i shouldn't talk much, i've not seen (first hand[no pun intended]) too many pairs of breasts. if there is such a thing as too many pairs of breasts, i hope to see them. and fondle them. etc. to sum it up, breast are good. computers are good. computers with breasts, the pr0n i don't like to see. lesbian with breasts in front of computers? now you're talking my language...
My mother and I laugh at this but deep down, we don't _really_ blame him. Do you?
I know thats 3 but the fucknugget is standing here thinking im fixing his password right now.
Breasts good. Breasts friend. The best pillows a man can get.
The world's most powerful supercomputer eh?! Interesting concept! Yeah, there aren't enough of us girls around into comp sci stuff. i'm taking comp sci in university and i'm one of the 8 or so girls that's not middle-aged in my program (out of at least 250 ppl). Kinda nutty. It's still considered such a boyz' type thing, which turns away a lot of us chickies. you guys should try to encourage more girlz! (then, you never know, you might see more titty action). ------------------ [This message has been edited by rig_hater (edited June 07, 2000).]
------------------ i don't know a single girl that cares to do anything more with their comp than use word and access hotmail. actually that's with the exception of my stepmother, she uses it for vb, java, rpg, and shopping; but i'm not going to encourage her lazy ass to block my access to detnet any longer than necessary.
sure, there's lots of us girlz who would like a guy to show them how to do something, but that's only because it's been branded such a guy thing that some unconfident girlz might not feel comfortable just tinkering away at their computer till they figure it out. there still remain lots of us that learn on our own and do more stuff than just hotmail and wordprocessing. me and most of the other girlz i know like gaming, programming, designing graphix, etc... but then again, maybe we're just different... ------------------ But I think you get the point. Kinda sucks to be in such a male dominated field =| Case in point, at jlab where I work there are maybe 5 or 6 ladies around where I work, where are they all? In HR, secretaries, etc. Drats. ------------------ I think that a lot of that has stuck around in our subconciousnesses. So quit buggin' us about us, it's not our fault. We can't help that we love breasts. Blame male instinct! -Firefox
Now, as for the beloved breasts, my plethora of boobage has converted my guy to being a breast man. I don't mind that guys are attracted to them, as long as they remember that they are talking to ME and not my chest. And even though bigger isn't necessarily better, don't discriminate against those of us who are more than a handful. Bigger doesn't always mean fake! Okay, I hope I have been able to help some of you guys who aren't too adept at dealing with the ladies. I'm tired from moving a friend today; class is dismissed.
------------------ ------------------ If you saw a very skinny person with huge breats you think they are fake but if you see a normal or athletic woman with pretty large breats they don't have to be fake. ------------------ And they aren't as much fun as you would think. Believe me after a while you would get sick playing with them. =P ------------------ ------------------ I don't know why most girls are into froo-froo crap. I don't know why my little sister will spend an hour and a half getting her hair and makeup on for work, while I'm not even sure what all eyeliner does. Then again, I may. Moms and Dads buy Barbies for the girls, and boys get the cool stuff. My dad, bless his heart, bought me a microscope, telescope, commodore 64, apple IIe, and those nifty little circuit board things they used to sell at Radio Shack. Dad took me fishing. Dad took me to the library. I would think its the generalization that girls do one thing, guys do the other. rant rant rant rant. see my fuss on the "oh, how cute, a girl that plays on computers" On the topic: Grr, Nene ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/nv/neneshome/
anyway, i've just learned to deal with the fact that a lot of guys like big breasts. though, i know a lot who really get off on the tiny ones. i'm about 34c/d so i often have to weed out the boyz who are only intersted for boob size...not that they're not oodles of fun, it's just nice to be appreciated for more than your chest size. ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ Sure, same species. But the differences between male and female, when you look at it, are copious. And I'm not just talking reproductive organs, either. I've read studies discussing how the brain structure differs between the genders, or how certain features of one gender are curiously absent from the other... one has testosterone, the other has estrogen... etc. etc. You have to admit, there is a lot separating us, biologically. Sure, A male and female human are still much closer together than a male human and male dog, (well, for most of us One place that the genders are growing closer together, however, is societally and intellectually. Roles and ideas traditionally dominated by one gender are becoming much more accessable to both. I think that's a good thing, by the way. -Firefox
ShadowKnight, I agree with what you said about it all being proportional. I'm a 40DD/DDD and while it looks good on me, most girls couldn't carry it without looking fake. And I fully agree with Chrissy and anyone else who has said so, they're really not that fun when they're yours and you're stuck with them! In fact I'd go so far as to say they kinda get in the way sometimes. Now, as far as all of the posts about why girls do girl stuff and guys to guy stuff, I can say from my nursing classes it's a combination of a lot of things, not one or the other. Part of it is hormonal. Although both sexes have both hormones, guys generally having more testosterone, and girls generally having more estrogen. (There is no such thing as having more male chromosomes, as some people have previously said.) However, part of it is also social, varying by what toys they are given to play with, parent-child and child-child interactions, and also what they see Mommy and Daddy doing, as far as teaching them what women and men are "supposed" to do. It is largely the changes in parent-child interactions and roles of women in society that are closing the "Gender Gap." And as far as technical issues, there are some cognitive differences in males and females. Males do have better math and visuospatial skills, and females do have better verbal abilities. It's important to note, though, that those are differences in the AVERAGE male and female, the overlaps in those areas are very considerable. And while it may be true that many people with higher intelligence are drawn toward being techies, you shouldn't by any means discount the intelligence of "artsies." My brother is an artist, and he's got an IQ that blows most of my techie friends away. Testing for a person's personality type (Realistic, Investigative, Artistic, Social, Enterprising, or Conventional, as designated by the theories of John Holland) are a much better indicator than just IQ of why people are drawn to different things. Okay, you've now all had a brief lesson from my Life-Span Development class. Any questions? ------------------ So your saying besides the fact that men and women have different reproductive glands, theres no other difference? Men aren't more violent, women arn't more diplomatic (on a average).. Testosterone and Estrogen make no difference whatsoever? Medical Science is all wrong.. the different chromosones don't effect men or women in different ways at all? And where do you get all this information from exactly?
As far as there being nothing different between males and females except society I don't believe in. According to Chrissy we would be the same if society didn't say "women" or "men". Granted society placed the word "women" on the females and the work "men" on males. These words do not mean a thing except describing differences. Before society was created by man there WAS a difference in males and females and the just named the difference with those words. No matter how you want to slice it there are slight (not necessarly major) differences between males and females that are not judged by society. Estrogen and Testosterone do make a difference verified by scientists. These chemicals are not made or judged by society! rant rant rant. *whew* Everyone just seems to want to play everything on the society we live in today. Well, people made that society. ------------------ ------------------ Note: If you're reading this, I'm talking about someone else, and its not you, no matter what it seems like, its someone else =D. Oh well, I dont think you can go down from never being on a date ------------------ I suppose that isn't the turn-on of the century.. And i don't speak much (in person) until i already know someone quite well. (ie, i'll answer questions, no idle chatter.) Sigh. I believe it is because it is harder to judge a person online by looking at them, thier expression, how they are looking at you, etc. You meet a person online and all you can judge them by is previous posts and thier alias. ------------------ I believe it is because it is harder to judge a person online by looking at them, thier expression, how they are looking at you, etc. You meet a person online and all you can judge them by is previous posts and thier alias. ------------------ I just thought of this as I read the previous four posts or so. No offense guys, I'm not casting any stones.
ex 1) if you're in a classy restaurant or store, and you start ranting and raving and swearing like a redneck, the girl will likely be annoyed. ex 2) if you're watching the game, havin' a bud (of course, a non-american, non-watered down beer would be better), and your team loses or scores, swearing is acceptable. it's all just a matter of the context of the situation. ------------------ i'm frequently called a mexican(cherokee, assholes), but never a redneck. i guess it goes without saying that you don't say fuck if you're on a date, but obviously someone has. proving yet again the abundance of stupid people.
Other than that, I'm a full fledged supporter of free speech. And if you cuss around my Mom, I'll waste your ass. I do have a pistol. ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ Back on topic: All that matters to me is that a girl have bigger boobs than me. Small ones don't bother me so much as not having any at all. ------------------ ------------------ All it does is suggest that your wife is a fat cow =P j/k But how are we to know she's not some skank ass hoe? Big boobs are nice and all, but it depends on what the whole package looks like more. A "large" chick that has big boobs doesn't nearly look as good as a in shape chick with big boobs. ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ Have you not heard of the XYY syndrome?
All it does is suggest that your wife is a fat cow =P j/k But how are we to know she's not some skank ass hoe? Big boobs are nice and all, but it depends on what the whole package looks like more. A "large" chick that has big boobs doesn't nearly look as good as a in shape chick with big boobs. just a thought - she's not likely a fat cow if she's a 34 - unless she's only 5 ft. tall or somethin. i'm a 34D and i'm not a fat cow - mind you, i'm 5'10", so it's relative. so guys, you talk so much about finding the "right shape" and all, but what exactly is that? ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ And there are also cases of people with XXX, XXY(Kleinfelter Syndrome), and X_(Turner Syndrome). But as the discussion was of the differences in behaviors between genetically normal men and women, I was speaking in those terms; these differences are not based on any rare syndromes. I was just trying to clarify that what people often confuse as having more/less male genes is actually just more/less male and female hormones. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA *wipes tears from eyes* whew.... Nene ------------------ http://www.angelfire.com/nv/neneshome/
------------------ ------------------ Well, IMO ... perky. In the hopes that it'll take longer before they get saggy. saggy boobs == _VERY_ BAD THING But tear-drop is fine by me too =D Hell, boobs in general are fine by me, but this isn't something I can generalize. If you'd like to send me an example I'll let you know if they're good or not. ------------------ ------------------ Ever see a cage of rats starve to death?
i don't see how the "motherly" image could be all that attractive, but maybe i'm analyzing a mythical stereotype. of course, then, there are always guys and their MILFs. (that's what the boyz refer to as mother's they like f$\%#ing - for those of you who don't know). anyway, that entire "guys thinking" thing would be a small miracle. no offence guys, it's just, sometimes, your ideas are just so way off-base. okay, so, i'm digging myself in a hole here. nobody's a winner when it comes to "rational thinking". it's just that guys generally think with the brain below their shoulders rather than the one above, whereas us chickies don't. ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ You are really saying that guys have less ability to think? Female brains may be physically larger, but the ratio of grey/white matter is different. Any given volume of a male brain adds slightly more to the male brain than the same volume of female brain would to the female. The fact that on average the female brain is larger balances this out as far as average intelligence goes, but guys will gain more by every cubic centimeter of brain matter added than women. There are WAY more male than female geniuses, and guess who contributes the most to society? The great scientists : the geniuses. Male intelligence will continue to add more to society, more to science and give more to the race than female intelligence. I hope i have been scientific enough for this to not be interpreted as a sexist rant.. You are really saying that guys have less ability to think? Female brains may be physically larger, but the ratio of grey/white matter is different. Any given volume of a male brain adds slightly more to the male brain than the same volume of female brain would to the female. The fact that on average the female brain is larger balances this out as far as average intelligence goes, but guys will gain more by every cubic centimeter of brain matter added than women. There are WAY more male than female geniuses, and guess who contributes the most to society? The great scientists : the geniuses. Male intelligence will continue to add more to society, more to science and give more to the race than female intelligence. I hope i have been scientific enough for this to not be interpreted as a sexist rant.. Seriously, studies around the world have shown that men and women essentially have the same amount of computing power in their heads. The difference lies in what areas people excell in. Some of us are great at rational and practical thinking, others at theorizing, others have plenty of common sense, others are math geniuses or language geniuses, others have charisma, etc., etc., ad infinitum. Okay, so my latin isn't so great. ------------------ However society is dominated by white hetrosexual men and this is why they "contribute" to society more-- not because women are less intelligent but because women on the whole are taken less serious by your "world"- so just because you have "scientfic proof" doesnt mean shit to me. Sorry ------------------ I really feel I should point out that at least Dustman can backup his arguement with something. Your whole arguement is that "society has made it this way" its "societies" fault that there ARE more male geniuses. Can you offer any other proof than "society is evil"?
I really feel I should point out that at least Dustman can backup his arguement with something. Your whole arguement is that "society has made it this way" its "societies" fault that there ARE more male geniuses. Can you offer any other proof than "society is evil"?
As well, I don't know where you came up with the argument that the male brain is more 'efficient' then the female brain. Just because you've thrown some numbers around doesn't prove jack shit. All you've created is a false sense of precision - a dumb fallacy that every student of science should know to avoid. It's not clear to me whether you're genuinely sexist and are intentionally using 'scientific' findings to mislead, or if you truly believe the malarky that you're expounding. Regardless, I think that you need to read up on philosophy of science before you start throwing scientific arguments around. You're giving science a bad name (and I hate that). I suggest you start with Thomas Kuhn's "Structure of Scientific Revolutions". Read that book and you'll realize that there are limitations to science. Follow that one up with a book by Trevor Pinch, "The Golem: What You Should Know About Science".
Until that point there isn't real much I can do to "disprove" your "nature" findings. My feeling is this. Science is great for explaining many things about our physical world. Once you get past the physical boundries you verge into the study of people (AKA Sociology)- people tend to want to explain people in the same way the explain the physical world but this cannot be done. Again if anyone is interested on where I get these ideas they are all in Foucault's "Two Lectures" and many of his other writings. It may serve you well to expand how you think about the world. After all Im not the only one who believes that science doesnt "prove" everything. ------------------ There are differences between the male and female brain structure. I am not saying women are less intelligent than men (on average.) The mean is the same. The standard deviation for men is higher due to the fact that male brain tissue is made up of a higher percentage of communicative tissue. Yes. Most idiots are men. Most genius are men also. I am also not saying that there will be no females making significant advancements in science. However, it will probably be the people classed as genius that make this sort of discovery.. Most of these are men. I do not know the root of this difference in brain tissue makeup, but it is there. I was responding to *YOUR* sexist comments about males being unable to think in the first place, so don't go telling me off for sexism. As well, I don't know where you came up with the argument that the male brain is more 'efficient' then the female brain. Just because you've thrown some numbers around doesn't prove jack shit. All you've created is a false sense of precision - a dumb fallacy that every student of science should know to avoid. It's not clear to me whether you're genuinely sexist and are intentionally using 'scientific' findings to mislead, or if you truly believe the malarky that you're expounding. Regardless, I think that you need to read up on philosophy of science before you start throwing scientific arguments around. You're giving science a bad name (and I hate that). I suggest you start with Thomas Kuhn's "Structure of Scientific Revolutions". Read that book and you'll realize that there are limitations to science. Follow that one up with a book by Trevor Pinch, "The Golem: What You Should Know About Science". I did not argue that as a whole the average male brain is more efficient than the average female brain. There are differences in structure, but AFAIK the average intelligence for both is 100. This is how efficiency in the context you're talking about should be measured. Nurture may do a fair amount to the formation of a brain, but these generally "go along" to some extent with genetic differences. There are differences in structure between male and female brains. It is inevitible that there will therefore be some advantages of one "design" over the other and vice versa. There was an argument that there have been less famous female scientists than male due to the sexism in the scientific fraternity. I cannot deny this has happened, but the fact that male brain tissue is more made up by volume of grey matter, each new bit of brain communicates with the other bits of brain better and therefore any thought process taking place in that part of brain is better linked to the other parts of the brain, and therefore adds more per cubic centimeter. It is more efficient volumetrically but not on average real-world situations. The people that develop world changing scientific theories arn't average people, however. Male brains have a higher standard deviation of intelligence, so more males will be found in this area naturally (although not quite so polarised as the past due to decreasing sexism in the scientific fraternity). I read most of my information about brain structures from a scientific magazine, "Focus", article on the make-up of brain. Most of this logic is not my own. I just plain don't like the suggestion that somehow my way of thinking gives science a bad name.
I refuse to post until somone besides me reads a little bit more on what Im saying. ------------------ I refuse to post until somone besides me reads a little bit more on what Im saying. We disagree on a lot of things, chrissy, and i had hoped that you would not get personal because of it. I am here for an intellectual discussion. If you want people to read information on your point of view, post links. We arn't all doing sociology degrees, so don't assume we should know everything you do on the subject, and i resent the implication that our opinions are not thought out just because they disagree with your own. If you are going to act like you need to have all the same qualifications as you before we can talk to you, then i'm sorry, i'm not going to engage in days worth of reading on everyone's opinion, does this mean i am not qualified to speak to you? if it does it means everyone else here is also, and you should talk to people in your class instead. My arguments have always been founded on logic and science, and i will use whatever science i know to formulate sensible opinions and statements. If you care for a civilised discussion, i am always open to this, but if you are more interested in a childish slanging match i shall not oblige. [This message has been edited by DuSTman (edited June 23, 2000).]
The vast majority of male geniuses have had the traits of female mentality that allow the male part, to be how can I say "enhanced" - to be able to make that creative jump in thought and understanding. Despite your denials of the truth, Chrissy the vast majoity of studies that have taken place in neuroscience over the last five years have backed up DuSTman's case - it is also one of the reasons why funding in these projects has been cut - it is simply not acceptable to people these days, that this could be the case
------------------ I'm glad to see that you provided your source and filled in some of the details. If I get the time, I'll look for the article myself. However, that doesn't really take care of some of the remarks you made earlier. I speculate that you made your sexist comments in anger. And I can 'partially' sympathize because I get tired of the endless tirades that are launched against men. The 'logic' behind male-bashing seems to be that 'two wrongs make a right.' Regardless, I think it would have been simpler if you'd just called the guilty parties on their game. As it stands, the wording of your post makes it appear as if you're using science to justify a sexist agenda ("Male intelligence will continue to..."). It puts you in a negative light, and if intentional, is a clear misappropriation of science. Other issues: To start off, you should be aware that 'correlation does not equal causation'. i.e. Just because there have been more male scientists in the past, and men have different brain structures, does not mean that men have brains that make them better suited for scientific genius-hood (Even if men have more neural connections, what does this mean? Do you know how those connections are utilized? If you do, stand up and get your Nobel prize). A more parsimonious explanation for the skewedness of the sexes in the scientific community is that women have traditionally been barred and discouraged from scientific pursuits. Secondly, attempting to back up any argument with findings from the cognitive sciences puts you on really shaky ground. Despite all the hoopla going on, and the frenetic pace that books on consciousness and neuroscience are being published at, we still know very little about how the human mind functions. Findings are continually being overturned, and there's very little consensus among community members. Check out any newsgroup or mailing list on the subject and you'll see that the 'truth' is continually being debated and revised. Thirdly, science isn't the end-all, be-all. The 'truths' that scientists unearth have the power to take us to greater heights, but they can just as easily be abused (perhaps more so). I get a little bit worried when people glorify science. Zealotry, whether you're a religious fanatic or a science nut, is a bad thing - it means that you've got a pair of blinders on. Dangerous stuff. [This message has been edited by The_Hiro (edited June 23, 2000).]
Not yet, admittedly, everything, but macrological systems are predictable. Science will progress. Science will give more to society. What makes you proud to be a human? it's the achievements mostly. The complexity of our buildings, the phenomenal events, which are mostly bourne of science. What do people associate most with human greatness? the moon landing. given to us by science. Science may not contribute everything to society, but it contributes a hell of a lot. However, my conclusion was far stronger than my evidence. I have no sexist agenda. We must not lynch people simply because they state differences between the sexes, of which many do exist. However, as my evidence was not very reliable (a hazily remembered magazine article months back), and what i said appears to have caused a deal of offence, i apologise. It was not my agenda to promote a "male brains are better mindset" although i was a little strong for this not to be interpreted in this light. Again, i apologise. [This message has been edited by DuSTman (edited June 23, 2000).]
-Tony ------------------ anyway, i was away all weekend and didn't know the mayhem i'd caused here. sorry! ------------------ AND IT'S A THREAD ABOUT BREASTS. I really think that speaks...Something of the average detonate.net forums poster.
------------------ ------------------ Your the first one that broke? That was actully fairly shocking to me.. I think I should point out that sociology isn't really a science. Its a new age philosophy. Besides which, just because its written down in a book, doesn't make it true, and just because its taught at school doesn't make it right. Chrissy, are there any internet links to this information you want us read so bad or do you want us to go out and buy the books? I'm fairly neutral here.. I'll read any articles you can post and form my own opinions about them, or any the other side can post as well. And Chrissy, you talk about everyone else changing THIER opinions.. what about you changing YOUR opinion? Thats bordering on hipocracy. Oh, and remember proof is no good unless you can display it to whomever is judging it/you.
One of the longest active threads is about breasts. Does anyone else need more proof that us humans are litte more than instinct-driven beasts of higher-than-average intelligence? And a comment... how does every thread end up as a debate over the same thing... viewpoints and varying opinion? Interesting. Thats it ------------------ SO ACTUALLY- Sociology is the study of SOCIAL INTERACTION (not just within groups but within people can we say Social Psychology?) It is the study of society- all aspects and facets. And that last sentence tells you that there is NO specific definition of sociology because the disipline has changed so much over the past years. Finally, while there is diagreement about the nature of sociology, there is some agreement about its importance. In defence of the discipline 1. It has contributed in detail, through numerous empirical studies, to the knowledge and understanding of modern societies; 2. It raises important questions about the nature of individual responsibility to law and morality by studying the social context of action; 3.It has contributed significantly to developments in other disciplines, especially history, philosophy, and economics; 4. It can be regarded as a new form of consciousness, particularly sensitive to the dilemmas of a secular, industrial civilization. In order to really understand sociology as a whole you need to read up on some of the most predomiante sociologists of the late 19th and early 20th centuries (and maybe a few contemporaries) Erving Goffman "Interaction Ritual" Well that should give you a good start to understanding the nature of sociology as a discipline. =P ------------------
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quote:
Originally posted by simulacrum:
I'm not a teen. I'm old like that. damien, that is hilarious. Do I sense personal experience here?
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And p0rn is lame. I used to surf for nothing but porn, but I got over that.
that and you have to tell a fucknugget manytimes what his username and password are!
quote:
Originally posted by damien_s_lucifer:
for you lam0rs who don't "understand" women... how can you consider yourselves l33t hax0rs if you don't even attempt to hack the world's most powerful supercomputer?
One of the techs I work with found this word. I think it explains most computer user problems:
PEBKAC: Problem exists between keyboard and chair.
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ya know ya wanna slap it ...
PEBKAC: Problem exists between keyboard and chair.
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ya know ya wanna slap it ...
DAMMIT BRANDON get over here right now and put this radio/tv/phone/speker/microwave back together!! ive never met any girls that did that stuff. i think its partly instict and partly that a lot of boys can be totaly shunned by the oppiset sex wile girls can always get some kind of attention from boys
so they dont have time to develope unhealthy fasinations with machines that boys get(i know i dont spend .25 as much time at the computer when im getting some ) i know some girls who know their way around a computer, my mom is supaleet she managed the first computer networks on the west coast stock exchange and she use to program databases in paradox. though now she manages giant corprate web projects she watches the home garden channel alot, and im the one whos looking for device drivers for her machine:P. as for the real subject: BRESTS im not really a brest man, i dont like them to get too big about a handfull and a half is perfect, and fake brests sicicone and salene are down right repulsive to me bleeck! might as well lick a jelly fish. now a tight little ass on the other hand... and tummys.. and the little dimples on a girls back were her psis is. grrr drive me up the walls! makes me clench my fists and grind my teeth. become totaly taken over by animal tendncies. mmm animal sex. give me rectus abdominus, external obliques, and gluteus maximus over giant ill weighted brests any day.
99.9\% of lam0r's problems:
CTKI
Chair to Keboard Interface
99.9\% of lam0r's problems:
CTKI
Chair to Keboard Interface
99.9\% of lam0r's problems:
CTKI
Chair to Keboard Interface
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
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Past and future pr0n star :)
Breasts are overrated. I'm a 36c/d.
My last girlfriend had tiny ones, but then again, my whole focus wasn't centered on them.
"Spoken like a princess with a pea in her skull, not under her mattress" - Jade Syren
besides, imho, having a pair myself, bigger breasts are not as manageable. oh well! i wouldn't want to change them anyway, i think silicone implants are pointless.
PEBKAC: Problem exists between keyboard and chair.
99.9\% of lam0r's problems:
CTKI
Chair to Keboard Interface
PEBKAC: Problem exists between keyboard and chair.
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
) but the differences are there.
And not to be condesending-- I hope I didn't lose you all.
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
99.9\% of lam0r's problems:
CTKI
Chair to Keboard Interface
PEBKAC: Problem exists between keyboard and chair.
I know this girl who a year or so ago was on the same level as me in l33tness. Her dad is a total techie, and at the time introduced me to SCSI. She would be online most of the time, and i would enjoy talking to her, especially about computers. Through the past +/- year we've drifted apart, and talked less and less. I've also noticed that she's online less. About a week ago, she IMed me, asking about how to use Napster, which IMHO is an easy program to use. Apparrently, just recently shes started to get into MP3s, I remember explaining them to her a year ago, and she did _not_ think there was any reason to have them. I dont know where I'm going with this, but I think she's a slut now, and my opinion on that is: Good for her!
Winner of the 'slow computer' award for excellence
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quote:
Originally posted by DuSTman:
Me, i just prefer computers to people.
Well I'm sure there are lots of people like that out there, I am one of them. Give me a computer and I can usually talk with anyone, but meet them in person and I become almost scared of them. More shy than anything I think, but that's just me...
ScruplaniS
"Nothing Dies More Quickly Than A New Idea In A Closed Mind."
quote:
Originally posted by ScruplaniS:
Well I'm sure there are lots of people like that out there, I am one of them. Give me a computer and I can usually talk with anyone, but meet them in person and I become almost scared of them. More shy than anything I think, but that's just me...
aventari
"witty one-liner"
PEBKAC: Problem exists between keyboard and chair.
Just your generic meaningless signature. Mix with 2 quarts water and stir till evenly coated.
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
just a thought
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
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ya know ya wanna slap it ...
A day without sunshine, is like, you know, night.
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ya know ya wanna slap it ...
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
Just your generic meaningless signature. Mix with 2 quarts water and stir till evenly coated.
hrm
I dont know...I think my breasts look good for my body
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
quote:
Originally posted by nautilus:
Although both sexes have both hormones, guys generally having more testosterone, and girls generally having more estrogen. (There is no such thing as having more male chromosomes, as some people have previously said)
It's rare, but some people blame violent behaviour on it..main idea is that males who have an extra "Y" chromosone are "supermales" and are likely to commit aggressive crimes.
quote:
Originally posted by eng_man:
Nice try, but that doesn't even make me remotely jealous.
PEBKAC: Problem exists between keyboard and chair.
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ya know ya wanna slap it ...
just curious since i'm not a guy and don't know how guys think.
PEBKAC: Problem exists between keyboard and chair.
quote:
Originally posted by Happyfish:
Have you not heard of the XYY syndrome?
It's rare, but some people blame violent behaviour on it..main idea is that males who have an extra "Y" chromosone are "supermales" and are likely to commit aggressive crimes.
quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy:
guys thinking
now thats an oxymoron
j/k
"Spoken like a princess with a pea in her skull, not under her mattress" - Jade Syren
quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy:
guys thinking
now thats an oxymoron
j/k
Not our falt that god gave us two heads and only enough blood to use one at a time.
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Past and future pr0n star :)
now thats an oxymoron
j/k
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
quote:
Originally posted by rig_hater:
didn't mean size, just shape, as in perky vs. tear-drop.
just curious since i'm not a guy and don't know how guys think.
BAAAAHAHAHAHA *sniff* Oh man ... if that works ...
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ya know ya wanna slap it ...
) I can at least say: it's nice. In fact...all the motherly things are...when it comes to girls who aren’t your mother.
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PEBKAC: Problem exists between keyboard and chair.
Guys definately need to start thinking with the big head....yeah definately
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
"Sometimes I sits and thinks, but most times I justs sits." - Me.
quote:
Originally posted by rig_hater:
anyway, that entire "guys thinking" thing would be a small miracle. no offence guys, it's just, sometimes, your ideas are just so way off-base. okay, so, i'm digging myself in a hole here. nobody's a winner when it comes to "rational thinking". it's just that guys generally think with the brain below their shoulders rather than the one above, whereas us chickies don't.
Am i the only guy here that is getting a little pissed off with this sort of talk?
quote:
Originally posted by DuSTman:
Am i the only guy here that is getting a little pissed off with this sort of talk?
Ah, but even the evil geniuses have mothers
Just your generic meaningless signature. Mix with 2 quarts water and stir till evenly coated.
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
Why does everything need to be backed up with proof?
Not that I can't do it.
But first before we start this little rant about nature vs nurture again my suggestion would be for you to read up on M. Foucault. He's a little hard to understand but once you get the gist of him you'll see where my argument comes from.
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
quote:
Originally posted by The_Hiro:
DustMan: While I seldom agree with Chrissy's 'nurture' stance, I think she's got her heart in the right place and she does raise a lot of good points. I am more of a 'nature' type guy myself, but I try to maintain skepticism about scientific findings. I think that there's good reason to. Ever heard of phrenology?
You guys want HARD SCIENTIFIC PROOF of what Im saying. First of all read a few sociological journals and then read some philosophical texts (like the ones Ive mentioned time after time after time) See the thing is no one actually wants to take the time to do any of these things and Im guessing there are several reasons for this.
1. Time
2. Laziness
3. You might actually have to think
4. Your precious opinion MIGHT be changed
I refuse to allow myself to be badgered on these posts because you guys don't want to take the time to even LOOK into my point of view. I have read a lot on the differences between "men" and "women" (after all I am a soc major part of the course is to deal with gender "differences") You think I pull all these thoughts where? OUT OF MY FUCKING ARSE? I don't-they come from readings of done, papers that have been writen (both by me and others) and from discussion and PLAIN OLD OBSERVATION.
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
-Mr. Garrison from South Park, trying to prove he's not gay
quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy:
Hey Sithiee...kiss my arse
You guys want HARD SCIENTIFIC PROOF of what Im saying. First of all read a few sociological journals and then read some philosophical texts (like the ones Ive mentioned time after time after time) See the thing is no one actually wants to take the time to do any of these things and Im guessing there are several reasons for this.
1. Time
2. Laziness
3. You might actually have to think
4. Your precious opinion MIGHT be changed
I refuse to allow myself to be badgered on these posts because you guys don't want to take the time to even LOOK into my point of view. I have read a lot on the differences between "men" and "women" (after all I am a soc major part of the course is to deal with gender "differences") You think I pull all these thoughts where? OUT OF MY FUCKING ARSE? I don't-they come from readings of done, papers that have been writen (both by me and others) and from discussion and PLAIN OLD OBSERVATION.
breastsssessss, hmmmmmmmm
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quote:
"There are WAY more male than female geniuses, and guess who contributes the most to society? The great scientists : the geniuses. Male intelligence will continue to add more to society, more to science and give more to the race than female intelligence.
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sorry guys! i didn't mean to start up such a massive debate. i guess my post was based on a discussion i had with a bunch of my guy friends. we were discussing how when it comes to sex, and sexual things, a lot of the time, girls think about the consequences before saying yes, whereas a lot of guys prefer to persue the titty-touching opportunity without regard for its results. anyway, i don't want to sound sexist, cause i'm not. my comments were just based on a discussion i had with the boyz.
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More ( . Y . )
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first of all...check out my IM PISSED OFF thread for the internet sites and books I suggested. Also something I didnt mention there was anything written by Foucault. That doesnt have to be anything specific (two lectures, queer theory anything of the like will do) Hes a little hard to read (just a warning)even the scholars have difficulty with him, dont be surprised if you do too.
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard
Sociology: The term has two stems- the latin socius (companion) and the Greek logos (study of)- and litterally means the study of the processes of companionship. In these terms, sociology may be defined as the study of the bases of social membership. More technically, sociology is the analysis of the structure of social relationships as constituted by social interaction, but no definition is entirely satisfactory because of the diversity of perspectives which is characterstic of the modern discipline.
People like:
Karl Marx "Capital" and "Communist Manifesto"
Emile Durkheim "Suicide"
Max Weber "Protestant Ethic and the Spirt of Capitalism" also "Economy and Society" (idea of Bureaucracy introduced)
C. Wright Mills "Power Elite" and "The Sociological Imagination"
Michel Foucault "History of Sexuality" and "Two Lectures" (anything actually "Madness and Civilization" "Discipline and Punish" "The order of things" etc)
T. Parsons "The structure of social action" "The social stystem"
"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard