Topic: PALESTINIAN BULLSHIT
started by: CatKnight
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Originally posted by CatKnight:
THIS IS FUCKNIG BULLSHIT. ISRAEL BETTER BOMB THE FUCKING COCKSUCKING SHIT OUT OF THE PALESTINIANS.
I wholeheartedly agree!!!
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Originally posted by mqa:
i was wondering if anyone would be willing to describe the formation of israel, and the formation of the current problems in the area.
From about 3000 B.C., the Jews have been living in the land which is now Israel. Then, the Romans had them go away and scatter all over the world. During the middle ages, they were persecuted in many countries (e.g. Spain, Poland, Germany...), and always dreaming of returning to their Holy Land. Around 1900, the movement of Zionism started: people moved to Israel and started building kibbuzes. The English promised the land to both the Jews and the Arabs to build a state on (Sykes-Picot-treaty around 1916) and that's the root of the problem: both groups believe they have a right to live their because the English promised the territory to both at the same time (yeah, it is actually the fault of the English!). Then the modern state of Israel was formed after WWII. Ever since, there have been wars, which the Israelis have usually won. The current trouble is mainly about Israeli settlements on "Palestinian" territory.
If anything of this was wrong, please correct me. 
would anyone wanna just peacefully hand over a state?
then again, they gotta live somewhere. so maybe instead of just taking OVER oklahoma, they could live there with the oklahomans who are already there.
but i guess that'd be too simple.
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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
make palestine = big crater
I think it's
./configure --palistine=big-crater
make
This message has been edited by KL1NK on June 02, 2001 at 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by kuru:
then again, they gotta live somewhere. so maybe instead of just taking OVER oklahoma, they could live there with the oklahomans who are already there.but i guess that'd be too simple.
That would be really cool--unfortunately, there's a small caveat: religion.
Remember that not only are we talking about land, we're talking about religion. Palestinians are predominately Muslim, and due to both theological and historical events, the Muslim Palestinians hate the Israli (sp?) Jews. So, even if we could get them to try to live together, it would be like mixing oxygen and hydrogen--all you would need is that one little spark.
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does anyone think that any religious extremist or any of the other people causing the trouble will listen to these orders?
Of course, the area in question is about that big. I just don't get it, and probably won't... because I didn't grow up around it. Probably the same reason most of us won't understand. I don't really hate any group of people. I guess I'm fortuante in that respect.
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Originally posted by smartsnake:
< Arafat Orders a Cease Fire >does anyone think that any religious extremist or any of the other people causing the trouble will listen to these orders?
well yeah, israel decides to start a voluntary cease fire. within days after, this happens (the casualties are up to 19/160 now). then arafat calls for cease fire. basically, he is saying to his islam fuckheads "ok go bomb them", they go bomb, then he goes "ok lets have cease fire now" so we don't retaliate. then he goes and says "ok bomb them again".
The deaths of israelians are nothing compared to the deaths of palestians. What is the "score" now? 1000 dead palestinians vs. 100 israelians.
Suicide bombs or car bombs are the only way to fight the israelians off. The palestinians have bombs and stones to throw at the jews. The jews are bombing the shit out of palestinians with advanced helicopters, killing even more.
In this matter I say to hell with the jews down there. Most of the countries down there is out of the game because of some excellent moves from Clinton, but if they weren't then the israelians would be around looking for another place to stay.
ALL of the west european countries are with Palestina in this matter. But after many efforts to help, which were refused the general attitude is "let them handle it themselves and hope they kick out the jews".
Just a few days ago Arafath was in Denmark, where lots of jewish journalists were at his neck constantly with all kinds of questions about how bad a man he is. That ticked him off and he had a sponanious speech that even put the jewish journalists were they belonged. In their seats shutting up. I wish I'd been there to hear it. The man is angry and many jews doesn't even understand why. They just hate him.
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Originally posted by KL1NK:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
[b]make palestine = big crater
I think it's
./configure --palistine=big-crater
make
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is it big-crater? or /big/crater?
Otherise, i think you're right :P
btw, this is my first post in the rants forum, i believe
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Uhm...The palestinians got kicked out of their land because someone else told the jews they could have it.
i believe it was the united nations, right after 6 million of our people were slaughterd by apparantly your best bud hitler.
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The deaths of israelians are nothing compared to the deaths of palestians. What is the "score" now? 1000 dead palestinians vs. 100 israelians.
thats 1000 soldiers, terrorists, and assassins, to 100 women and children.
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Suicide bombs or car bombs are the only way to fight the israelians off.
so you condone terrorism.
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The palestinians have bombs and stones to throw at the jews
...to throw at women and children
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The jews are bombing the shit out of palestinians with advanced helicopters, killing even more.
even more terrorists, suicide bombers, and hostile soldiers.
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but if they weren't then the israelians would be around looking for another place to stay.
in 1948 clinton, the US, and the UN weren't around to help out, when all of the islamic countries simultaneously attacked the brand new state of israel. we had weapons from world war I, and sick and hungry women and eldery fighting just a few years after beeing freed from death camps. the odds were like 100 to 1, and we still won. now the IDF is one of the most powerful militaries in the world, and the islamic countries are not really willing to get their asses kicked again.
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ALL of the west european countries are with Palestina in this matter.
hahahhahahaahahhahh
HAHAAHHAHAHAH
no
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Just a few days ago Arafath was in Denmark, where lots of jewish journalists were at his neck constantly with all kinds of questions about how bad a man he is. That ticked him off and he had a sponanious speech that even put the jewish journalists were they belonged. In their seats shutting up. I wish I'd been there to hear it. The man is angry and many jews doesn't even understand why. They just hate him
hmm where did you find this fabricated story? it must have been in some iraqi equivalent of the national enquirer.
Concerning bombs and stones - did you ever hear of the UN calling such weapons "unfair" and "not fit for a war"? (we're not even talking about the intifada's burning car tyres...) The Palestinians are TERRORISTS.
And about Arafat... well, as soon as Arafat offers a cease fire and travels abroad for peace talk, in Israel another terrorist act takes place. Strange coincidence, isn't it?
quote:...and here I thought the dumbest people on the face of the planet went to my school. They're ISRAELIS, not "Israelians". The UN "gave" that land to the Jewish people. Palestinians are TERRORISTS. How are terrorist attacks "the only way to fight off Israelians"? There's a little thing called diplomacy, dickhead. Before you start trying to "enlighten" us with your "worldy" knowledge, make sure it's accurate.
Originally posted by Kolben:
Uhm...The palestinians got kicked out of their land because someone else told the jews they could have it. That's what always pissed them off, and I see why.The deaths of israelians are nothing compared to the deaths of palestians. What is the "score" now? 1000 dead palestinians vs. 100 israelians.
Suicide bombs or car bombs are the only way to fight the israelians off. The palestinians have bombs and stones to throw at the jews. The jews are bombing the shit out of palestinians with advanced helicopters, killing even more.
In this matter I say to hell with the jews down there. Most of the countries down there is out of the game because of some excellent moves from Clinton, but if they weren't then the israelians would be around looking for another place to stay.
ALL of the west european countries are with Palestina in this matter. But after many efforts to help, which were refused the general attitude is "let them handle it themselves and hope they kick out the jews".
Just a few days ago Arafath was in Denmark, where lots of jewish journalists were at his neck constantly with all kinds of questions about how bad a man he is. That ticked him off and he had a sponanious speech that even put the jewish journalists were they belonged. In their seats shutting up. I wish I'd been there to hear it. The man is angry and many jews doesn't even understand why. They just hate him.
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Yeah! I always loved Hitler!?! Get a fucking life you piece of shit.
And I don't like the jews way of life, and the jewish treatment of people not like them. Live with it or make me wiser. The jewish mind is too fixated on the wrong things. It's just my oppinion.
Terrorists/Soldiers ...it's the same thing. They just have different objectives. And if terror is the only way out for the palestinians then off course they do it. Or they could surrender THEIR country to a bunch of jews still riding the wave bitching about holocaust and WW2, which most of them aren't even old enough to remember. And that the UN gave the jews Palestine was a terrible mistake. They gave something away that was even theirs. And the jews accepted the offer and kicked the owners out. And then you don't get why they hate you. LOL...
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even more terrorists, suicide bombers, and hostile soldiers.
So all palestinians are like that? Well...grow up or something. Most palestinians I've meat are some of the nicest persons in the world. They're getting along fine with the jewish danes around. We're a large group of friends discussing this alot, and even my jewish friends have realised that Israel is being a bitch hiding behind holocaust. Actually there was a reason for the holocaust, but everyone seems to have forgotten that. Holocaust was extreme, and hitler was a psycho, but actually everybody hated the jews before hitler was even born.
And yeah, the stories I told is from the danish press. It was all over, and in every newspaper. But I guess everybody but YOU are big fat liars.
/me pukes...this forum isn't the same standard as in the first couple of months. People are bitching more than discussing.
Guess I'm not gonna see you around, because this is just lame.
And CK your oppinions are a disgrace to the jewish standards. At my school, I'm ALWAYS using you as the bad example...there...it's said.06
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This message has been edited by CatKnight on June 04, 2001 at 08:10 AM
CK, I think the word you're looking for in your sig is 'lose', unless that's what you actually intended.
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Originally posted by kuru:
it's kinda like if someone came to the united states and said 'ok, for 3000 years, we've been tryin to live here and people kept kicking us out. time's up. we want oklahoma. the whole state. all of it.'would anyone wanna just peacefully hand over a state?
then again, they gotta live somewhere. so maybe instead of just taking OVER oklahoma, they could live there with the oklahomans who are already there.
but i guess that'd be too simple.
gee, kind of like the american indians...
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What if the Native Americans wanted their land back did anyone think of that? (It’s almost the same issue, land that was historically occupied by one people vs. the people who occupy it now) The natives were kicked off their land by the U.S government less than 300 years ago and the Jew’s were kicked off their land about 2000 years ago and not by the Arabs but by Rome. So how is it fair to kick Arabs who lived there and had nothing to do with the scattering of the Jew’s off their land?
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the jews were the original land owners of israel...it's not exactly like europeans kicking out the native americans, because the jews had just suffered 6 years of deathcamps at the hands of the nazis and opression, and needed their own country to settle to.
This message has been edited by CatKnight on June 04, 2001 at 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Kolben:
And I don't like the jews way of life, and the jewish treatment of people not like them. Live with it or make me wiser. The jewish mind is too fixated on the wrong things. It's just my oppinion.
Yeah, but it's a pretty insulting one. Also very racsict. I don't get that.
quote:Yeah sorta, except one bombs SOLDIERS and the other bombs CIVILIANS!!
Originally posted by Kolben:
Terrorists/Soldiers ...it's the same thing.
quote:But see there IS an alternative, nogotiation. Or is there no median between surrendering and bombing people?
Originally posted by Kolben:
And if terror is the only way out for the palestinians then off course they do it.
quote:Your not reaching far enough back Kolben, remember, Rome kicked the jews out of Isreal, then the jews have been going throughout all of europe being opressed (that opression being climaxed by SIX MILLION PEOPLE BEING KILLED). You don't think they deserve a little bit of sympathy?
Originally posted by Kolben:
Or they could surrender THEIR country to a bunch of jews still riding the wave bitching about holocaust and WW2,
[edit: just re-read and saw LiNeY already pointed this out, sorry LiNeY =) ]
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Originally posted by Kolben:
Most palestinians I've meat are some of the nicest persons in the world.
quote:Come on, be streotypical, or don't be. Don't be both. Anyways, are you implying that all of Isreal isn't nice? Or that, even if all Palistinins semmed like nice people and all of Isreal seemed mean, that Isreal has no rights to their claim?
Originally posted by Kolben:
So all palestinians are like that? Well...grow up or something.
I mean, Kolben, I'm not saying I disagree that Palistein has a valid argument, but I want to clense out your biased stuff and illogical arguments so we can see the light of reason. I personally haven't sided on this issue, because I, admittly, don't know everything, or even close to everything on the subject.
This message has been edited by DeadAnztac on June 04, 2001 at 12:57 AM
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I think taking this down to the "Palestinians are pissed about Israel taking their land" level is oversimplifying it, I think. *That* problem had been at least passed over by the Oslo peace accord.
The problem is that Israel didn't impliment the Oslo peace accord that they signed. They didn't pull back out of the occupied territories, they didn't halt jewish settlement in disputed territories. This seems to have been the key of the palestinian frustrations; They had agreed to let Israel keep the state of Israel as declared by the UN. It is important to note that that land does *not* include Jerusalem, which was supposed to become and international enclave belonging to neither country.
So: who do I blame for the current violence? Israel. If they had fulfilled the terms of the Oslo peace accord, it's likely that this would never have happened.
On the other hand, I have a repugnance for terrorism that only living in a country which has been subjected to repeated terrorist attacks can engender. My Maths Teacher's wife was crippled by a bomb mailed to the wrong address, and a bar that a whole lot of friends used to go drinking in (and fortunately weren't in at the time) was bombed by our current ambassador to London. Terrorism is a weapon of the cowardly. And should be stamped out ruthlessly.
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Originally posted by CatKnight:
ARAFAT DOESN'T WANT PEACE, HE WANTS TO KILL ALL JEWS. HE SAID SO HIMSELF, [b]TO THE POPE!
I don't think it's Arafat. Arafat is an old man, and there are more than enough signs that things are getting out of his control. It's highly probable that the people who are behind all the terrorist acts, i.e. the true leaders of the intifada, are the muslim fanatics of some Islamic countries (mullahs, imams, etc.). Arafat is by now more a representative figure and not really the leader of the terrorists.
For all the rest, I totally agree with you, CK.
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Originally posted by CatKnight:
wow trog you have things COMPLETELY BACKWARDS. it was ARAFAT who backed out of oslo. israel offered them a whole palestinina state, a big chuck of jerusalem, and even gave weapons to palestinina police authorities to help stop the violence. [b]arafat refused, started the intifada, and ever since have been blowing up women and children. the reason? ARAFAT DOESN'T WANT PEACE, HE WANTS TO KILL ALL JEWS. HE SAID SO HIMSELF, TO THE POPE![/B]
I think, if you examine the record, you will find that both parties accuse the other of killing the Oslo accord.
Fact is, neither was conforming to the letter. But the Israeli insistence on colonising occupied territory, and not withdrawing troops from palestine were the chief sticking points in the whole thing...
To *really* simplify the whole thing, howsabout you folks pull back to your Internationally recognised borders and post lotsa soldiers on the borders? We've all been told that the Israeli Army is the most effective in that part of the world... if so, what's the problem?
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trog;
both sides accuse each other of killing, but only one side is actually doing it-the palestinians. they just accuse israelis of killing them so that they will get sympathy for their cause, instead of international accusations. the problem is that even if we did leave their territory, THEY WOULD STILL BOMB CIVILIANS. the IDF occupied a big chunk of lebanon in order to prevent terrorists from coming over. last year, they finally left, to help get the peace talks to go forward. right after, a flood of terrorism erupted. just a couple weeks ago, hamas claimed to kill civilians with suicide bombs as an anniversery to the IDF LEAVING lebanon. how fucked up is that?
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Originally posted by CatKnight:
arafat may not directly control hamas (although it's likely he does), but he does indirectly control them by condoning acts of terrorism and releasing terrorists from prison.trog;
both sides accuse each other of killing, but only one side is actually doing it-the palestinians. they just accuse israelis of killing them so that they will get sympathy for their cause, instead of international accusations. the problem is that even if we did leave their territory, THEY WOULD STILL BOMB CIVILIANS. the IDF occupied a big chunk of lebanon in order to prevent terrorists from coming over. last year, they finally left, to help get the peace talks to go forward. right after, a flood of terrorism erupted. just a couple weeks ago, hamas claimed to kill civilians with suicide bombs as an anniversery to the IDF LEAVING lebanon. how fucked up is that?
Someone needs to send in a stealth assassin, not from any country and/or not tracable, in and just assassinate these fucks. Everytime another one pops up to take precidence have that person killed too.
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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here
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There are like 3 million Palestinians in the West Bank and in Gaza and 1 million in Israel it self so 4 million “Palestinians” Israel’s population is close 5 million so if you combined the occupied territories and Israel as one there would be as many Arabs as Israeli (Jewish or christen) in the territory. Yes Israel should exist but why not just stop encroaching on what is left of Palestinian territory and let them be free. Yes you can say it’s for your protection but it’s more of a land-grab.
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