I do know some people who frequently get drunk and smoke weed, and I know that they practically radiate stupidity. They act like complete assholes to everyone. Maybe you're not like this, but that's my experience. I have seen drugs fuck people up, and I suspect that they have probably done the same to you and you're just too high or stoned to notice.

The hard shit is your call, but I think everyone should at least try the ganj.

Also, nobody, what the hell do you do for fun? Do you and you mom play crazy eights or something?

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Also, nobody, what the hell do you do for fun?

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I really wonder why the hell anyone would feel the need to even ask this question. Do you have any friends? Any at all? (Excluding whoever provides your drugs)

There is plenty of fun stuff to do that doesn't require any mind-altering chemicals. For example, we -my friends and I- go to rock concerts. We go to all of our school's home football games (along with about 800 other people, so obviously we're not the only ones that enjoy it). We get together at each other's houses and just hang out and watch movies and listen to music and stuff. I play lasertag every weekend. I could go on, but if you haven't gotten the point, you're probably not ever going to, but that's your problem, not mine.

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I do know some people who frequently get drunk and smoke weed, and I know that they practically radiate stupidity. They act like complete assholes to everyone...

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These people kind of piss me off. If you can’t control yourself when you are drunk then you shouldn’t be doing it. I have very rarely seen a stoned person being an asshole without at least a little alcohol in them, but again, if you can’t control yourself then don’t do it. Just for the record: I know several people who don’t become assholes/idiots when drinking these are the people who I choose to get wasted with

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...once did a few tabs of ridalin.

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Isn’t Ritalin great? It is one of my favorite drugs because it doesn’t mess with your mental clarity at all, just focuses all your energy into what you are doing. Therefore, whatever you are doing is a lot more interesting and entertaining.

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The fact that you have to bring out the "I have friends and you mustn’t cause you do drugs" is pretty lame. I only do drugs with my friends, it's a social thing, and I don't toke all the time, just like I don't drink all the time.
The thing I hate is these goody two-shoed people that will never try anything if there's the slightest risk involved. You live once, last time I checked. Have fun and try new things!! Oh, and don't give me the "My mommy said it's bad and if it's illegal, I'm gonna go to hell if I do it." There are A LOT of laws that shouldn't exist, mainly the ones that involve your decision to do what you want with your body.

Now, I'll agree that there are some people that just don't know how to drink and they should be taught. They just wreck it for everyone.

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I sorta feel like Johnny Depp in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas." .

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Please, it's not Johnny Depp, but Raoul Duke, the semi-autobiographical, surreal representation of Dr. Hunter Thompson's development as the quintessential Gonzo journalist.

If you (or anyone) are instigated by Fear and Loathing in Vegas, I would encourage a deeper exploration, as there is much more out there than this one peice of literature...plus, even Thompson admits it failed as pure Gonzo. In addition, it is fictional. Anyhow, I must recommend both The Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved, as well as the Pulitzer nominated Generation of Swine (keeping track of the 80s with the Book of Revelations as a scorecard).

drugs are baad, mmmkay? continued use will kill ya in the long run. blah. bad for use. bla bla, all taht shit. nyurr...

i got sorta drunk once. it was cool. i drank 3 shots of this pinkish strawberry flavored liqour. i dont know what its called, but it was mmm-mmm-good.

so..uhm... yeah. sithiee is right. listen to him. hes smart... or something..
blah, im tired.... but we won again! w00ta! 4-2!

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the thing a lot of people dont get is: i can have fun without drugs. i can have fun with drugs. it is possible to have both, and i hate it when people say "i dont NEED drugs/alcahol to have a good time". neither do i, but i LIKE the high i get from drugs, i dont NEED it to have fun

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My experiences (22 years): I started drinking about a week into college (I never really cared before). I started smoking cigs my second year of college. I started pot my third year in college. The drinking I did near to excess (especially my junior and senior year). The cigarettes I've posted on another thread (less than a pack a day until senior year, then mostly quit). The pot I did about a half dozen times total.

I haven't had any experience with any harder drugs, but I think they could be treated the same way. Make preparations, like know where you are going to remain unconcious until it's light again. Don't mix too many drugs together: I've never had a bad experience when it's just pot. I've never had a good experience when I did pot after drinking heavily (pukey pass out time).

Follow the simplest of guidelines, and you won't be messing your body up too much for experimenting. That said, I probably won't try anything beyond pot (maybe X, or ritalin)... just not something that appeals to me.

I actually liked the pot a bit. I started getting buzzed off of like 4 bowls of swag while playing Freecell. I turned around and watched the same Busta Rhymes/ Janet Jackson video for what felt like an hour. My roommate tried talking to me, and it took forever for me to realize it... then I started dreaming about little pastel pixies dancing and frollicing. Anyway, that's enough about me.

i guess he was right, life was short. another friend was 18, he got really drunk and went out joyriding. he now spends 24 hours a day in an urn. and another friend got all high and drank a lot of alcohol, and nobody's really sure how but they found him dead in the woods. another good friend is brain dead, pretty much a vegetable, after doing so much lsd, e, and various other things that his brain has no ability to process normal thoughts anymore. the doctors aren't really sure what, if anything, he's aware of. he drools on himself.

drugs are fun. yup. i'll remember that the next time i'm at a funeral for a friend of mine who will never ever be around to do something BORING like bowling or playiing football or watching a hockey game on tv with again.

drugs may be fun, but funerals really fucking suck.

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'sex is one of the most beautiful and natural things that money can buy' - steve martin

The only thing I advocate, myself, is not discounting everything. Drugs will mess your life up and kill you quickly, if you're not careful. That's part of the reason I won't go beyond alcohol and pot. My alcohol extent goes to beer and some hard liquor. I have become infinitely aware of my weak-azz stomach, and I trust it to put an end to an evening gone too far.
Drugs can be a thing to try, to understand what it is, and to control with other semi-responsible people around. It can't become a way of life or go too far. That's why I always trusted the people I was around. (If this sounds like a disconnected train of thought, it is.. I've been drinking beer tonight and I care not to edit my stream, beyond typos).
I know that drugs are a decent distraction to daily life, and they can get us away, but it definitely isn't worth it when it becomes the only things good with our lives. If you have the ability to say "How can you have fun without drugs," then you have major problems with the way your life is formed. It's probably time to reevaluate, my friend. The reason most of the 'harder' drugs exist is because some motivated people decided that just sitting around bowling, or doing pot, or doing simple cocaine, or just doing crack wasn't good enough. Jebus... learn from this fact alone. The chemicals can take over. The brain is just a mix of chemical and electrical reactions. The reason that you get wierd flashback thingies a couple of years later is because the basic way your brain works has been affected by the introduction of chemicals.

To reiterate, I really am sorry, Kuru, and I hope that this thread didn't open up any old wounds. I'm glad you brought this air of seriousness to the thread... as drugs can be a nasty little bastard. It can be handled, but drugs have a way of altering your way of thinking and changes who you are.

Listen to Loveline on the radio as much as you can if you are interested in what drugs can do to your fragile little muccus soaked brain.

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The only thing I advocate, myself, is not discounting everything. Drugs will mess your life up and kill you quickly, if you're not careful.

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Being careful and being drunk are mutually exclusive. The moment you start drinking (or using just about any drug, for that matter) your mind becomes less capable of making intelligent decisions. Sure, plenty of drugs mae you think you're smart, and some will boost your concentration, but there is no drug which does anything to improve your intelligence.

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Being careful and being drunk are mutually exclusive. The moment you start drinking (or using just about any drug, for that matter) your mind becomes less capable of making intelligent decisions. Sure, plenty of drugs mae you think you're smart, and some will boost your concentration, but there is no drug which does anything to improve your intelligence.

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I agree with you.. preplanning is key... and having careful people around helps alot.

I've already said my major beefs over there, but here we go again...

I love this attitude of "Be Careful, and you'll be fine." I love how askheaves says "simple cocaine" and "crack" like it's okay. Guess what--you do crack once and you've got a really good chance of being hooked.

I am willing to bet that several of those people Kuru mentioned thought that they were being "careful". Maybe all of 'em. Just like Michael said, that first drink, hit, or toke just altered your perception, and that full "control" is right out the window. What about when you're really pumped, or down, about something, and you're not thinking clearly to begin with? "Man, I feel down, maybe a few extra lines/another bottle will make me feel better."

Kuru, you go girl. I had a lump in my throat after that post. If these idiots can't listen and learn, then it's their funerals. I am solidly in agreement with you.

All drugs will kill you--some just take longer.

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"If it's not one thing, it's two."

i don't want to offend anyone (namely kuru), but death is the only certainty in life. i to have buried a (best) friend.

my life is shit. with or without drugs. i don't not blame drugs for my problems and the only problem i used drugs (pot) to solve is my stomach getting sick all the time (from nervousness usually or taco bell)

i have lost track of where i was going with this (every fucking time i get two words wrote some one has to call/get me to do something) so i have to work now

i'm sure they didn't think it would happen to them, but it did. that's all i have to say in this thread.

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'sex is one of the most beautiful and natural things that money can buy' - steve martin

Now, just for fun, I decided to look up "marijuana effects", using a standard search engine. The results were interesting. Some effects of habitual pot use are the following:
--decreased coordination (not serious, alcohol does this)
--learning difficulties, including "state-dependant" learning. This means that if you learn stuff while you're high, you can only remember it clearly when you're high.
--"amotivation syndrome". This includes lack of energy, memory loss (especially short-term), decreased effectiveness and performance, and loss of ambition.
--increased chance of lung cancer, on par with cigarettes
--increased chance of asthma
--reversable infertility (of course, this may be good for some of you)
--psychological withdrawl effects

So don't anyone tell me that pot is "good for me". Life is too long to have to spend the last two-thirds paying for the first third, if I'm (un)lucky enough to live through the first third.

This message has been edited by Jynx on October 24, 2000 at 10:53 AM

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Are you really tring to tell me that i have lost "full control" with just one hit off a j, or with one beer?

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if you do/have done drugs then talk to me about it, but those of you that just take the word of those who haven't done them theirselves, well, your a fool being lead by a fool whom is being lead by a lie.

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it really pisses me off when you ppl get that "i'm better, cooler, smarter, etc..." attitude because you don't do drugs.

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judge me by me alone, not by the catogorie that the government has put me in.

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eveybody is different. that means drugs affect me differently than they affect you.

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One final reiteration--I do NOT think that you, as a person, are "Bad" for taking drugs, and I am certainly not a "Good" person for not taking drugs. I personally feel that the taking of these drugs, for a recreational use only, is unwise due to the medical findings I posted above.

Whew.
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Originally posted by iLLegaL EagLe:
I know what i can do and i know myself in every single way.

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I don't think that it's possible to have perfect self-knowledge. The person that you are is always changing, so anyone who says that they have figured out who they are is clinging to an illusion. I can look at my thoughts and figure out at any given moment what is motivating me and what I'm trying to hide from myself, but I don't claim to have any sort of complete picture of who I am.

By the way, did anyone else ever go through a phase where they had decided that they knew themselves perfectly, and supported this belief by the fact that they were silently laughing at themself and everyone else even while acting in ways totally unlike how they felt? Sort of a "life is ludicrous" stage? Anyone there right now?

"If you take yourself too seriously, life will get you down, but if you can laugh at yourself, you can laugh at anything."

still the same old arguments. Come on people, think of something new, okay?

"I have these friends that died because of drugs." Careless drug use is one way to die. Careless bike riding is another. So is driving carelessly, gambling carelessly, eating carelessly, swimming carelessly... hell, you can even die at Disneyland if you want.

My point is that CARELESSNESS kills in many ways.

If you drive, and you don't respect the fact that it can kill you and others, you're just asking to fuck SOMETHING up.

If you do drugs, and you don't respect the fact that they can royally fuck you up, you're asking for it.

By the way, yeah, drugs and alcohol can cloud your judgement. But if you don't have major ego problems and a need to prove yourself all the time, you always know that you're impaired, and you act accordingly. I.e. even if you're fucked up, you still know enough not to play with a gun when you're fucked up... it's when you start thinking you're invincible that shit goes down.

Kuru, I am sorry to hear about your friends. But somehow I doubt that they were all bright, promising young people with a perfect future that got messed up by those bad and nasty DRUGS. They had problems to begin with, before the drugs were ever there. Not that the drugs helped, but there was a much deeper reason they went down, and drugs are easy to blame.

Which sucks all around, because whenever social ills are discussed it's always DRUGS that get blamed. No one ever asks why the hell these kids were so heavily involved in the first place, unless it's to blame those satanic drug dealers who must have FORCED the drugs on them.

Let's face it. The War on Drugs didn't do a damn thing to help your friends. In fact it probably made them worse by distorting the Horrible Dangers of Drugs. D.A.R.E. makes that first puff of pot out to be a straight route to junkie hell, and it's not. So a lot of people think hey, pot's actually pretty harmless, what else did they lie to me about? And the conclusion is usually "probably everything."

It would be a hell of a lot better if drug education taught the goddamn TRUTH : occasional drug use isn't going to kill you, or turn you into a vegetable. Heavy drug use very well might. Some drugs just don't do very much long-term to your brain. Others will fry your brain quickly. Here are the effects, and possible dangers. Here is what experienced drug users have to say. Here is what doctors have to say. Shit like that.

But no... we just demonize drugs, demonize the users, and fail to provide people with any compassion or understanding. Show me a junkie and I'll show you someone with some really fucked up shit they were trying to deal with, and no one helped. Etc.

As for the rest of you anti-drug freaks, just remember that many studies have shown that OCCASSIONAL drug users are far more well adjusted than people who are either straight-edge or people who are junkies.

Hmm. How about that.

so i don't care about what the tv commercials say, or what dan rather says, or what some schmuck on the internet says. nothing is going to bring back my friends, but i have to live with the fact that they probably would still be alive if it wasn't for their 'normal drug use.'

i don't care which one of you has what iq and what drugs you shove up your nose or inhale into your lungs or eat or cram in your ass. none of your lack of bad experiences will bring back my friends, but maybe there's someone out there who never realized that you can DIE from this stuff. maybe the horrid, nasty deaths of my friends will prevent them from dying, or turning into an 85 lb crack addicted ex-felon, or becoming a human vegetable unable to feed or dress themselves or even wipe their own ass.

you can knock all you want what you seen on tv and say it's not real, but those grave stones, that mother fucking urn with my friend in it, that's real. so you all do all the drugs you want, i don't care. just don't trivialize my friends' deaths by making it out like those things only happen on after-school specials.

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1) I have always had a bad memory. I cannot remember what i did yesterday. I'm dead serious. Anyway, does anyone have any ideas on what my memory would be life if I ever smoked habitually?

2) a lot of us are young (under 21), and now is our time in life to fuck up. Kuru, you speak the truth so well, but EVERYONE in my school (about 600), well, at least a good 90\% at least smoke pot, and we haven't had a single fatality. Not one. Back to what I was saying: If you're gonna experiment in life, now is the time. Better now when you can get grounded, then later in life when you can get fired and thrown in jail. Think about it.

-diety

Anyone remember this one - on a long enough timeline, everyone's chances of survival drops to zero?

So, what's so bad about the way the mouse acted? It was primal, visceral instinct. Sure, the mouse does not have a cognitive awareness that rivals the human, but who is to say that our advanced sense of reason is "good" by any connotation of the word? I mean, it is our wavering, morbidly gravid brains that brought us to the violent, hateful, nature-decaying shithole we call the 21st century.

Why not favor the orgiastic Bacchanalian lifestyle and go for the gusto? Because no one else will? Because you'll be labeled as a "bum" or "fool" my the majority?

I guess if the sybaritic lifestyle is not appealing, you can continue to be a slave to the status quo. There's always room for more social pawns, living life to please others,continuing to give up that which is innately enjoyable to attain more of what makes us evil: the ageless corrupter, the ruler of man (yes, I mean $$$)

Just a thought. I'm not advocating drug use. But I will say that Kuru definitely had some bad luck with her friends. I'd say thats a negative outlier - a abnormal skew towards the deeply malevolent side to drugs. Heck, my buddy's grandmother has been puffing weed since the early half of the 1900's. She's still alive and kicking.

Well, I don't know. I won't touch any type of lab made shit, and I definitely don't have any type of habitual use trend behind me. Maybe that's why I'm not victim to any of the "mothers against pot" propaganda Jynx picked off the web.

Just a reminder - you can find statistics and studies to prove just about anything. Remain skeptical; not everything you read is true. (Note- I am not arguing the validity of the aforementioned study).

Bleh.

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i don't care which one of you has what iq...

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Ya know, amen to that.

I can't stand this IQ bullshit. Who gives a shit about this cock contest? Does posting an irrefutable score add any salvation to the pitiful arguments, faulty logic, and fundamental lack of syntax command? I can't believe there was actually a thread of people posting their scores...with everyone 1-uping the last.

However, I did come up with my own formula for anyone who actually does post their IQ: The Law Of Bullshitius Braggius.

Stated IQ
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Age * Major Grammatical Errors

edit: Hellraiser...you can see why I wasn't a math major...heh heh. Viva the humanities!

This message has been edited by whiskey@throttle on October 25, 2000 at 09:44 AM

also, the one who killed himself at 20 started drinking alcohol at 13 and smoking pot at 14. i don't remember when he started doing lsd and coke.

the other two who died started drinking and smoking pot around sixth grade (11 years old) and by age 13, one of them was doing shrooms too. the only one who's still living started doing drugs sometime before i met him, so he was younger than 12.

so, not everyone who does drugs dies. there's another guy i know, who dated my sister. a week after he turned 18 he was arrested for possession of crack, marijuana, and underage drinking. he smoked both crack and weed, and drank heavily. he went to jail, for more than a year. when he was released from jail, he was at 95 lbs (he's 6'1" tall) and still addicted to crack. he got caught again, and ratted someone else out so he wouldn't have to go back to jail. now that guy is trying to kill him. he's down to about 85 lbs, and will probably die of malnutrition, because he doesn't eat. he's 21, he's been to prison already, and he's got a contract on his head. he's a crack addict and a felon, he couldn't get a job if he wanted one, and he's dying.

just another drug induced success story, i guess.

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kuru
'sex is one of the most beautiful and natural things that money can buy' - steve martin

I've done quite a few drugs. More than most people.

I'm not perma fucked, but I do have permanent tracers, and if I get to hot or light headed... I'll experience those really cool meltdown visuals from tripping.

But, I'm done with all that stuff. The risk of losing my job is not worth the high I got from any drugs.

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I have plenty of friends who have died or fucked up their lives (legally) because of drugs.

R.I.P. Nick!

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i didn't post that to start a fight. those are my experiences and those of some people i've known.

i'm sure they didn't think it would happen to them, but it did. that's all i have to say in this thread.

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I love this attitude of "Be Careful, and you'll be fine." I love how askheaves says "simple cocaine" and "crack" like it's okay. Guess what--you do crack once and you've got a really good chance of being hooked.

that first drink, hit, or toke just altered your perception, and that full "control" is right out the window. What about when you're really pumped, or down, about something, and you're not thinking clearly to begin with? "Man, I feel down, maybe a few extra lines/another bottle will make me feel better."

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Are you really tring to tell me that i have lost "full control" with just one hit off a j, or with one beer? that is a crock of shit! you people need to quit listening to the "poster boys" and quit using the few assholes in the news as a reason to look down on me and people like me (the "normal" drug user). if you do/have done drugs then talk to me about it, but those of you that just take the word of those who haven't done them theirselves, well, your a fool being lead by a fool whom is being lead by a lie.
(there are exceptions) i'm not saying your stupid, just misinformed.

if you don't use drugs that great. if you do thats great to. but don't tell me when i have lost control cause i do drugs i can't see what they are doing to me. it really pisses me off when you ppl get that "i'm better, cooler, smarter, etc..." attitude because you don't do drugs. i have lived with that shit all my live and i'm sick of it. society is a hypocrite, i bet some of the most st8 edge ppl you know are really drug users (i am in that circle so i can see it/have seen it/continue to see it)
judge me by me alone, not by the catogorie that the government has put me in. eveybody is different. that means drugs affect me differently than they affect you.

<i'm in a crappy mood so i kind of got out of line. just listen. did you hear that? well i didn't either. am i just stoned right now? no, not had any today. if i am a good son to my mother, and i am always kind to people when i go out, does that still mean i am a bad person because i do drugs? you answer that.>

This message has been edited by pengu1nn on October 24, 2000 at 12:43 PM

I trust that the implications of this are clear enough that I don't have to spell them out...

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Stated IQ * Major Grammatical Errors

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Shouldn't that be more like:

Stated IQ
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Age * Major Grammatical Errors

The other formula would give a person a higher real IQ for having more grammatical errors in their statement.

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as i sit here, i haven't smoked any weed since march. i have a beer or a cider sometimes, and every now and then i go out to the bar. i don't know what drugs you think i do, but that's it. since oh, july of 99, i've smoked pot twice, gotten drunk about six times.

i've never done other drugs, and won't in the future. i don't even take the perscribed pain killers for my jaw condition. i don't ever drive after i've been drinking, and hell, i don't even own a car anymore.

does that qualify as 'doing drugs' to you jim?

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i don't qualify there, because as of now my life's been totally drug free for 7 months, and the time before that was 8 months before that, and the time before that was a year earlier...

i haven't smoked pot at all regularly since 1996, when i buried the first friend and realized that it wasn't just a harmless little thing.

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kuru
'sex is one of the most beautiful and natural things that money can buy' - steve martin

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[normal drug users] being people who are doing drugs with regularity and refuse to consider life without drugs in them.

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Maybe we should define 'normal drug users' because i would call those poeple addicts, and i don't think there is anyone on this board who would dispute the fact that addicts are bad.

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This message has been edited by Blain on October 25, 2000 at 12:45 PM

just a bit of food for thought

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Besides, two weeks isn't that long. Go two years without withdrawl or using, and then I'd agree.

Thats a far cry from the slurred speech of "i can stop any time i want! *puke*"

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"If we can't fix it -- we'll fix it so nobody can." -- B. Gibbons

and also, i've only been doing it like 3 months anyway, so 2 weeks is a long time comparitively

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