Forum: Rants
Topic: fat teacher has funny ideas about essays
started by: Wh4ck3r

Posted by Wh4ck3r on Oct. 18 2000,01:44
ok i hte school and it hates me. i have had good teachers and bad but this fat lady who went to asia and thinks its funny people shot at er because she picked te popies takes the cake! she as got some funny ideas about essays. here is a pefectly good essay i wrote, and the you see how the small whale with a stick protuding from her ass made me redo it..

I don’t like big wristwatches. A small wristwatch is just as good as a bulky heavy one, but without the hassle of having a weight on your arm.
Watches are useful and I think everyone should have one, but why have something that hinders your movement? A big watch can make your arm uncomfortable when it lays on a table. Why have this kind of irritation when a light leather strapped watch is just as effective at telling time?
If it’s not just telling time you want, a good small watch will deliver. My watch has a leather strap, and weighs less than 2 pens, but will act as a timer, an alarm, keep track of all world time zones and just about anything my last fat metal watch can do. The only difference between a high quality stainless steel or gold watch and mine is weight and size and look.
I like the way a leather watch looks. If you are not planing to wear an Armani suit, then why have the flashiest thing you wear on your wrist? The leather look is contemporary and stylish.
Leather watches deliver identical performance too heavier watches without any discomfort of hassle. They just make more sense to use.

A small wristwatch is just as good as a bulky heavy one, but without the hassle of having a weight on your arm. Watches come in all shapes and sizes, all types of material, from wood to leather, all have there ups and downs but in the end small watches are better.
Watches are useful and everyone needs one, but why have one that hinders your movement? A big watch can make your arm uncomfortable when it lays on a table. Why have this kind of irritation when a light leather strapped watch is just as effective at telling time?
If it is not just telling time that is needed, a good small watch will also suffice. There are watches with a leather strap that weigh less than two pens, but will act as a timer, an alarm, keep track of all the world’s time zones and just about anything a fat metal watch can do. The only difference between a high quality stainless steel or gold watch and these less expenciv versions is weight and size and look.
A leather watch looks elegant. If you are not planing to wear an Armani suit, then why have the flashiest thing you wear on your wrist? The leather look is contemporary and stylish.
Leather watches deliver identical performance too heavier watches without any discomfort of hassle. They just make more sense to use.

ok maybe you think you cant tell the difference.. but i can. wich do you think is better? and see if you can tell some of her skrewed up idead about essays.

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Posted by Wh4ck3r on Oct. 18 2000,01:46
just noticed about ten mis spelled words in that rant, sorry...
Posted by Rhydant on Oct. 18 2000,02:59
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Originally posted by Wh4ck3r:
...this fat lady who went to asia and thinks its funny people shot at er because she picked te popies takes the cake!

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do i EVEN HAVE TO SAY IT?!

/me pulls the lam0r alarm

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Posted by Happyfish on Oct. 18 2000,03:01
I think the first one is better...
Posted by cr0bar on Oct. 18 2000,03:22
What the hell kind of school do you go to? If I turned in an essay that short about fucking wristwatches I'd be laughed off the campus by all the faculty, staff, groundskeepers, and probably the kitchen workers too!

Jesus Christ, I hope they raise taxes 1,000\% so we can pump some money into the educational system!!!!

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Posted by Sithiee on Oct. 18 2000,08:20
i agree with cr0, wtf kind of essay was that? what was the assignment? "100 word long essay that deceptivly seems to have a point and yet says nothing at all??" and the second one was better by far, but was still pretty dumb...
Posted by fatbitch on Oct. 18 2000,10:53
i normally dissagree with sithee, but that was pretty funny dude :)

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Posted by Wh4ck3r on Oct. 18 2000,12:08
well the lady is really a history teacher who got pissed when we all failed a test because "we cant write essays" so she made us do an essay on any goddamned topic we want. so insted of being deep i decided to hand is somthing that nobody cares about.
by the way a few of her stupid rules are : no conjuctions no personal reference. maybe im just diferent when i think she isent quite the sharpest tool.

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Posted by Jynx on Oct. 18 2000,14:30
Dude, she's right. She knows what she's talking about.

I see the differences, and the second essay is better. Why? Because it lays out a series of facts an opinions that are divorced from the author. This gives a better sense of credibility.

Besides, one of the major rules governing grammar states that you should stick with one "person" (1st, 2nd, 3rd) throughout the paragraph--switching is confusing and poor construction.

Bottom line--she's trying to educate you. She's right, now learn instead of complaining.

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Posted by askheaves on Oct. 18 2000,16:01
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Originally posted by Sithiee:
i agree with cr0, wtf kind of essay was that? what was the assignment? "100 word long essay that deceptivly seems to have a point and yet says nothing at all??" and the second one was better by far, but was still pretty dumb...

Come on, guys. Be kind. It takes a lot of courage for a 3rd grader to post something this near and dear to his heart and open it up for public criticism.

I'm kidding, Wh4ack3r. Cool 1337 name, bTW.


Posted by whiskey@throttle on Oct. 18 2000,17:03
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Posted by Chrissy on Oct. 18 2000,17:25
Um well besides the fact that the essay was pretty lame. The second one was better I think. It was more objective and it was a bit more descriptive. The first one was too personal.
What year are you in anyway?

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Posted by Wh4ck3r on Oct. 18 2000,20:00
ok maybe in the third person is better but i can still bitch my heart out about her "no conjuctions" rule
Posted by kuru on Oct. 18 2000,22:23
do you mean no conjunctions (and, but, or) or do you mean no contractions (it's, there's)? because it's almost impossible to write anything in english longer than a sentence that doesn't contain any conjunctions.

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Posted by Sithiee on Oct. 18 2000,22:23
no conjunctions is much better than too many.
Posted by dido on Oct. 19 2000,01:12
The second essay was much much better. Only now (1st year grad school) are we getting into writing in the first person. Up until now if one was writing a formal essay, one could only write in the third person, no contractions, spelling or grammatical errors and supporting arguments were key. You teacher is right, the changes she made you make were dead on, and made your essay (can you really call that an essay???) better.

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Posted by Michael on Oct. 19 2000,02:49
quote:
Originally posted by cr0bar:
I hope they raise taxes 1,000\% so we can pump some money into the educational system!!!!

I'm guessing from this comment that you have no first-hand experience with education reform. Let me tell you what happened in my home state of Massachusetts:

The government decided to create a standardized test to measure scholastic aptitude in students of all ages, with the intention of locating trouble schools which needed to improve their system. At least, this was what the reform was originally about...

Next, they instituted a 21-hour test in 4th, 8th, and 10th grade which all students were required to take. Starting this year, anyone who fails the test (which originally had a 70\% failure rate built in) does not get their high school diploma.

Next, the education reformers decided that the best mode of reform would be to reward the schools that scored well with funding and to remove funding from failing schools.

So now, if students do badly because their education system has failed them, they will never get a diploma and moreover their school could be shut down, forcing them to be bussed to other schools which are already too crowded as it is. What's worse, they are considering having this test be required for all grades, taking those 21 hours out of every child's school year.

The main essay question of the test the year I took it was as follows: you were given an excerpt from a travel brochure which described how to climb up a mountain, and the main essay was to reverse the directions and tell how to hike down.

Another essay had an excerpt from a short story; the excerpt told about two friends and how the usually got along, etc. The question was to predict what the story was about. Answer: the story was about the daughter of one of these two friends whose prosthetic leg had been stolen by an itinerant Bible salesman.

Another question gave the Latin names of three rather obscure dinosaurs and told you to compare and contrast them.

The point of all this, if you've bothered to read this much, is that education reform tends to do more harm than good. And this isn't just in Massachusetts. Both Al Gore and George W Bush propose a similar education plan of rewarding good schools and punishing failing ones.

I've seen it. It doesn't work.

This sounds like Reganomics all over again: cutting funding to a school in order to force that school to improve. Absolute idiocy! And both candidates support it! This is why I hate politicians; they never seem to think about what their policies actually mean, they just spout off with whatever they think will sound good to the voting people, all while trying to keep their position so ambiguous that they don't offend anyone.

Oh, and as for the original topic of this thread, both those essays were rather bad. But don't worry, the government will improve your school eventually... by firing all your teachers, cutting all your funding, and shipping you out to some school an hour away where you'll never be able to get as much work done because of the long bus rides, etc.

OK, that was quite a rant. Calming down now...


Posted by Happyfish on Oct. 19 2000,03:18
It was obvious that the second essay was the 'correct' one. Teachers always bitch about using 1st person in an essay. But why? Well...so you can get a passing grade I suppose. Maybe it sounds more objective, but I think 1st person in some cases (Like a short essay about wrist watches) sounds much better. Anyway, I don't think the second one sounded anymore objective(it's still clearly opinion) or got the point across any better. My teachers always told me that I wasn't to write in 1st person until I was experienced enough. So when's that? One sentence paragraphs weren't allowed either.

This message has been edited by Happyfish on October 18, 2000 at 10:22 PM


Posted by cr0bar on Oct. 19 2000,04:00
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Originally posted by Michael:
I'm guessing from this comment that you have no first-hand experience with education reform*snip*

And I'm guessing from your comment that things like "1,000\%" and "!!!!!!" don't signal "hyperbole" to you.

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Posted by Michael on Oct. 19 2000,04:44
quote:
Originally posted by cr0bar:
And I'm guessing from your comment that things like "1,000\%" and "!!!!!!" don't signal "hyperbole" to you.

I wasn't referring to your writing style, I was simply pointing out the unfortunate fact that pumping more money into education has, in the past, only led to that money being invested in the wrong places, thus giving myself an opening for the rant that followed...

This message has been edited by Michael on October 18, 2000 at 11:45 PM


Posted by Sithiee on Oct. 19 2000,05:22
actually, if you were paying attention in english class, when writing a formal paper, you should write in third person all the time except for special occasions (like where the essay is a response to a personal question like "do you like girls?") i cant think of any situation where the proper form is 2nd person, but the fact remains, a paper written in third person will almost always look better than a paper written in first person, except for those special cases...my english teachers may be dumb hos who dont know how to teach or understand the responsibilities of a teacher, but they do know how to write a paper, and yours seems to also.
Posted by Wolfguard on Oct. 19 2000,11:10
quote:
Originally posted by cr0bar:
Jesus Christ, I hope they raise taxes 1,000\% so we can pump some money into the educational system!!!!



Just raise it 1\% and pump 9mm rounds into the stupid. Its time for the gene pool to get an active lifeguard.

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Posted by Rhydant on Oct. 19 2000,13:01
heh... yeah. that ws a great point, Michael.
There are 3 High Schools in this (my) disctrict. I go to the good one, EHS. Its nice here. We got the best track and stadium in all of southern california (its true) 4 computer labs+the library, new classrooms being build, and a really easy-to-hack computer network.

The bad one, Orange Glenn, is about 10 minutes from here. Its run down, has a crappy field and stadium, i dont even think the main office has computers, and it has the highest drop out rate.

then theres SP. tahts the preppy school. never been there.

point in case, i wouldnt have to take long bus rides if i had to go to to another school. *yawn* back to typing report...

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Posted by Rol3x on Oct. 19 2000,21:42
good call. Wolfguard, ill hope to see you runnin for pres in a couple years. and ill def be voting for you. also, both essays were terrible, why the hell are you writing an essay on the pros and cons of lighter watches as apposed to heavy ones. that has to be the most idiotic subject to write an essay on ive ever heard. and you really didnt convince me of anything in that very poorly written essay. im not saying i could write a better one, because i garuantee some people will challange me to do so, and frankly, i just dont have the time. no, i am saying i could write a better one, but i wont. i dont know, i just feel your essay was terrible either way, and please tell me why the hell she even let you write an essay on that subject in the first place. damn, im making like 3 new enemies on here tonight.
Posted by j0eSmith on Oct. 19 2000,22:55
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Originally posted by Rhydant:
heh... yeah. that ws a great point, Michael.
There are 3 High Schools in this (my) disctrict. I go to the good one, EHS. Its nice here. We got the best track and stadium in all of southern california (its true) 4 computer labs+the library, new classrooms being build, and a really easy-to-hack computer network.

I hate you!! I go to a piece of shit school that is literally falling apart, has old Mac Performas and Pent 133's for computers, a shitty libary, all the second rate teachers, no stadium, one shitty field thats is half mud. I could go on and on and on. Oh and this is the GOOD school in the area.

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Posted by Sithiee on Oct. 19 2000,23:52
there are actually big differences in the plans of al gore and w bush on education. this is somethin ive been following fairly closely cause it interests me. while both are going for higher standards, and more testing/accountability, their punishments for failure are very very different. while dubbya supports vouchers, which would basically mean the school closes down, and they have to send their kid to private school (where they might not even be able to get a spot in), gore's plan consists of a) making teachers better at their jobs (through gov paid training and testing to make sure theyre the best), and b) instead of closing a school, he basically just changes control over to specialists who are good at making schools run well (why are there specialists for everything??).

thats the way they describe their policies, except my comment in parentheses about dubbyas plan. as theyve stated them, gores plan is far superior, simply because it focuses on fixing the problem instead of ignoring it and hoping it will go away.


Posted by Michael on Oct. 19 2000,23:58
Ahem.

In our society, wristwatches serve any purposes other than to keep the time. Most importantly, a wristwatch is a status symbol, and the sort of watch that a person wears communicates vital information about them. A fancy, expensive watch is meant to convey a sense of wealth and authority, whereas a cheaper watch may signify a lack of concern for all things material. The size of a watch, and whether a watch is worn, show the degree to which a person is concerned with time. A heavy watch weighs down the arm like a manacle, reminding its wearer of the heavy bonds of duties and schedules to meet. A lighter watch is worn in a more carefree fashion; most liberated from the effects of time are those, such as artists and poets, who often have no need for a wristwatch at all. Thus, a wristwatch is worn, not simply for the purpose of telling time, but for telling others how you spend your time, what you think of time, and whether or not you are a slave of time.

And that’s why watches are important.
I only spent 10 min. on that, so I’m not saying that’s a perfect piece of writing, by the way.

Time is the school in which we learn
That time is the fire in which we burn
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Posted by Rhydant on Oct. 20 2000,02:54
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Posted by Rhydant on Oct. 20 2000,02:57
you know what, im gonna do that again:

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why the HELL did you spend any time on that? christ boy, get a life.

oh j0e, did you think i meant GOOD computer labs? we got old pI 133s too. the only good computers in the school are for the web design class (which i should be in... nyurr) and for the teachers. THEY GET FUCKING 800 MHZ PIIIS WITH TNT2 CARDS! AND Sound Blaster Live Platium sound cards. thats not even funny.


Posted by Michael on Oct. 20 2000,04:51
quote:
Originally posted by Rhydant:
christ boy, get a life

What does He have to do with anything?
Sorry, couldn't resist saying that...
I wonder... do people who belong to religions other than Christianity use expletives such as "Ouch! Buddha! that hurt!" or "Confucius boy, get a life." Somehow I can't quite imagine it...

Why did I spend time on that? Well, because time is such an interesting subject. And, to quote [u]The Sound and the Fury[/u], "Watches slay time." Thus, I personally advocate not wearing a watch, or at least carrying it in your pocket rather than on your wrist...


Posted by Blain on Oct. 20 2000,05:15
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfguard:
Just raise it 1\% and pump 9mm rounds into the stupid. Its time for the gene pool to get an active lifeguard.

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Jesus Christ that’s funny Wolfguard for president in 2004!

Of course, I would probably be the proud recipient of a bright shiny new 9mm slug so…uh…never mind.

Edit: fucked up quote...
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Posted by Wh4ck3r on Oct. 20 2000,12:10
thhis forum has goten much too deep fro me. you people say you LIKE writing essays? and you probly live in canada eh?
Posted by Michael on Oct. 20 2000,16:04
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Originally posted by Wh4ck3r:
you people say you LIKE writing essays?

Of course I like writing essays. Maybe not always the ones that are assigned in school, but in my free time, sure...

After all, the whole point of an essay is to take your thoughts, feelings, and opinions on a subject and formulate them into some sort of concise, meaningful expression. Which, by the way, is exactly the purpose that forums serve as well, so if you aren't here because you like communicating your ideas to others, you're here for the wrong reason.


Posted by pengu1nn on Oct. 20 2000,16:25
quote:
Originally posted by Michael:

I wonder... do people who belong to religions other than Christianity use expletives such as "Ouch! Buddha! that hurt!" or "Confucius boy, get a life."


lol

Holy Moses!


Posted by Rhydant on Oct. 20 2000,19:42
Holy Ali!
Holy... Muslim...

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Posted by whiskey@throttle on Oct. 20 2000,21:27
Ronnie James should be killed.
Posted by Sithiee on Oct. 21 2000,00:52
i like writing fun essays...i get to write an extra credit essay for english some time soon. its about fight club and the themes of power in it. i wanna make it super beast, cause im trying to convince my teacher to teach it, but shes not sure if its worth it....if anyone wishes to help, they are more than welcome...
Posted by askheaves on Oct. 21 2000,05:30
Holy Diver!

Thank you, Dio


Posted by hair on Oct. 24 2000,00:05
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Originally posted by Wh4ck3r:
all types of material, from wood to leather

I basically agree with everyone else here on the quality of the essays. But whats up with the wooden wristwatches thing?



Posted by Rhydant on Oct. 24 2000,01:08
i think he might be from the old country where they dont have leather or plastic, or any other kind of flexible materials. theyre like squar-ish things that you have to slip onto your wrist and hope it dont fall off

or something.......

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Posted by The_Hiro on Oct. 24 2000,01:24
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Originally posted by Sithiee:
...i get to write an extra credit essay for english some time soon. its about fight club and the themes of power in it. ... im trying to convince my teacher to teach it, but shes not sure if its worth it...

You can also try bringing up the existentialist themes in it. The author of Fight Club was influenced by the writings of Albert Camus and Sartre (esp. Camus and his themes of absurdity). I'm sure your teacher will love that. And of course there are tie-ins to Kafka that you can utilize, if you pitch the corporate drone angle.

The end scene sort of makes me think of Greek tragedy and Oedipus - might be an analogy you can use (esp. since Oedipus is all about stoically accepting fate, and Fight Club is all about taking personal responsibility and rejecting the banalities of everyday life)... Plenty of great material that can be mined from Fight Club.

Good essay topic choice! Tell me how it goes.


Posted by askheaves on Oct. 24 2000,03:59
I fear Camus. I'm basically an existentiallist, but Camus scared me a bit. (The Plague, man!)

The last time a teacher let me influence the lesson plan was 2nd grade (we had a lesson based on 'Who Ever Heard of a Ferd'). She was the coolest teacher ever, but i've never had a teacher that has included students that much since.
Just make sure your essay about Camus isn't about wooden wrist watches (alliteration), or something.


Posted by whiskey@throttle on Oct. 25 2000,04:55
...Or even get into the discussions of Nihilism evident in Fight Club. There's a wonderful discussion about Nietzche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra and the youthful seduction of Nihilism.

Not to mention David Fincher's obsession with Buddhist rhetoric, and trashing norms and mores (virtually dropping out of society) in order to test the limits of the human capability. Truly, one can only know physical and mental limits by attempting to push past the envelope of possibility. In this process, by ditching the safehouse of establishment, one (i,e- the narrator in Fight Club) then destroys the value system rooted in historical foundation, adopting the new form of a Nihilistic teacher. The end result is coming to a true awareness of who one is, what one needs, and the shocking reality of true independence and need for solidarity.

"Only after we've lost everything are we free to do anything." -Tyler Durden

...This includes changing the operating system of one's life. Like a hard drive, it must first be formatted.

Man, I love Fight Club.


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