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Topic: Christopher Columbus
started by: hal0

Posted by hal0 on Oct. 10 2000,01:01

Well, before Columbus Day is up, I figure, this is just as good a topic as any.

I'm wondering.. does anyone know that Christopher Columbus was retarded, or am I the only one?

Point #1: He discovered the Bahamas. He didn't discover America.

Point #2: He never realized he was in the Bahamas. He thought he was in India. The guy called the people Indians. (And why is it that we still call Native Americans Indians? They are not from India. They are Natives of America.)

Wow. 2 rants in one day. I'm tired.

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Posted by whiskey@throttle on Oct. 10 2000,03:31

Man, I went to the post office today to send something I sold on eBay...and it was closed. No sign, no nothing.

I drove to the other post office in town, and of course, it was closed...then I saw a sign the other post office didn't have: Closed For Holiday.

Fucking Columbus Day.

Posted by darksol on Oct. 10 2000,03:53

people are just generally stupid. they cant help it, wait no, they can help it. they should all die.

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Posted by kuru on Oct. 10 2000,19:58

they're not really natives of america either, since it wasn't america when they got here a few thousand years ago.

it wasn't america until around the time of columbus when it was landed on by(discovered is such a bad word, since it was never missing) and named after amerigo vespucci.

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Posted by Cyrino on Oct. 10 2000,21:17

What I hate, is the fact that everyone's hung up on Columbus "discovering" the Americas... What a load of shit. I would hope that it would be common knowledge that the Vikings were by far the first Europeans to settle in North America, besides the "Native Americans," of course...

*cough* bullshit *cough*

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Posted by kuru on Oct. 11 2000,01:31

if you wanna get really technical, the first people in the "americas" were probably the siberians that came across the land bridge during the last ice age, or maybe some sort of tribe down in what is now south america.... but it sure wasn't anyone for europe.

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Posted by Cyrino on Oct. 11 2000,01:58

Of course, I'll give you that. I said that they were the first Europeans, not the first settlers. I said that cause everything's revolved around the first European settlers...

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Posted by Rhydant on Oct. 11 2000,03:51

huh? ok, now im just confused. i know for a fact (ok, maybe not) but cavemen, you know-like the REAL early people, started to move east across Russia until they crossed an iceberg and ended up in alaska. within hundreds of years, they had made it all the way down into South America. the reason taht there are 'indians' in america is because osme people stayed behind and started their own clans and stuff. you see, life began at a central point (prolly africa) and spread out wards. yeah, we are a virus. spreading and spreading... like kuru. erm, wait i didnt say that.

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Posted by Alarion on Oct. 11 2000,12:17

Hehe... yeah that is the common belief (as it is the most likely). While the Siberians (as they will be called) were probably the first over. Here is an article that may be interesting: < http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/2000/10/10/fp23s2-csm.shtml >
There is some evidence suggesting that the Egyptians sailed across the atlantic < http://www.flem-ath.com/cocaine1.htm >
(sorry I don't have a better link at the moment) and traded with Native (South) Americans. Traces of tobacco and cocaine have been found *inside* mummies of ancient egypt.
As well, I read somewhere (again, sorry no link) that there are ancient coins that have a "map" of the "known world" that also includes what appears to be the coast of the Americas.
Personally, I don't think Columbus is all that great. Though, I do admire his open mindedness in opposing the "world is flat" nonsense that was so widely held at that time.

Welp, back to work for me

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Posted by kuru on Oct. 11 2000,15:49

i remember reading about the studies on egyptian mummimes that contained tobacco, which is a plant that ONLY grows in the americas. it was quite interesting, because great effort was taken to be sure that there was no contamination.

and columbus wasn't the first guy to know that the earth wasn't flat. the egyptians knew, the druids knew, and coppernicus knew too. columbus's big cojones are probably most evidenced by the fact that when his own country (italy) refused to sponsor his voyage, he managed to get queen isabella of spain to do it.

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Posted by kuru on Oct. 12 2000,01:55

embamled egyptian pharoahs who couldn't type.

sorry, i meant mummies.

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Posted by Alarion on Oct. 12 2000,05:02

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i remember reading about the studies on egyptian mummimes

Hey Kuru, what the hell are "mummimes"?

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Posted by Keeps on Oct. 14 2000,17:29

I call Indians Indians because I'm a native American and I don't intend to give that up. Calling them Indians is as functional as calling Europeans Europeans, and easier than learning all the different names for them. It's like all the new ex-USSR republics.

< George Carlin's take on it, > though the word 'Indies' was used back then, and Columbus rarely used any Spanish in his writings.

Posted by mqa on Oct. 15 2000,17:11

indeed. anyone born in america is a "native american." if you dont want to confuse them with residents of india call them "american indians" if you must.

Posted by Evolution on Nov. 03 2000,20:32

quote:
Originally posted by kuru:
columbus's big cojones are probably most evidenced by the fact that when his own country (italy) refused to sponsor his voyage, he managed to get queen isabella of spain to do it.

Actually, it was Portugal that refused to sponsor his voyage:

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In 1484 Columbus applied for ships and men from King John II of Portugal. The king's committee decided that his plan was unsound, and the application was refused

You can find the original text here: < http://www.comptons.com/encyclopedia/ARTICLES/0025/00443392_A.html >

Posted by askheaves on Nov. 03 2000,22:54

quote:
Originally posted by Keeps:
George Carlin's take on it,[/URL] though the word 'Indies' was used back then, and Columbus rarely used any Spanish in his writings.

I read that George Carlin bit. I can't for a second argue with his logic. I love it and I suggest that everybody reads that. Puts a whole new spin on the whole deal.

I hate Columbus Day. All he did was bring the Western hemisphere to the folks who didn't care if it existed. Cool and all, but imagine if the folks living here were as technologically motivated as the Europeans were. I'd be interested in figuring out why one people (specifically the Europeans) were so technically motivated, yet other cultures (that were to be conquered later in history) were not so.

Also, thanks Evolution for the update. I hadn't read this thread before...