Topic: Why do people still start smoking?
started by: demonk
I smoke and I have no idea why?
I remember starting for the buzz...
Then you get addicted. What a jip!
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jim
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Im a smoker, i know.
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Nuke em' till they glow and shoot em’ in the dark and let the computer sort em' out.
Then wait for a mutation…
But, I wish I never started. I think my addiction is more mental than physical. Since I have got through the nic fits, and cold sweats quite a few times, and then started smoking again at a party or while drinking one night. Then I remember how much I love to smoke and just start up again.
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jim
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This message has been edited by hyperponic on October 04, 2000 at 03:33 PM
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fuck i hate my parents. and no i do not need to hear about how people who have differant parents think i take advantage of my parents, if your not in my family, dont fucking tell me how to live with my family. in my eyes, you dont know shit about them.
sorry, im in a real bad mood right now.
I HATE cigarrettes. They're smoke smells absolutly rank and gives me a headache.
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Originally posted by demonk:
So, have you guys tried to quite smoking?
Its not safe for those around me for me to quit. If i give up smokes i have to give up coffee and drinking. Nothing worse than seeing a person that is hung-over, smoking and drinking coffee and thinking...
"If i kill him and drink his blood it would take the edge off of this nic fit"
not good
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Nuke em' till they glow and shoot em’ in the dark and let the computer sort em' out.
Then wait for a mutation…
but if you don't smoke then don't start.
those commericals for truth.com are stupid and are ment to misinform you. they say that no tobacco company has ever recalled cigs, which is untrue, marlboro had a recall in the last coupla years, not to mention that truth.com blames cig ads for teen smoking. BULLSHIT, camel joe didn't tell me to smoke, the marlboro man didn't put the cig in my mouth.
people just want something/someone to blame other than themselves.
ahh well, it's time for a cig break
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Then wait for a mutation…
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Another thing ive noticed, it seems in my area Newports are the official ghetto wannabe cigarette.
Yup, I think that's everywhere. I smoked them for 6 years.. Needless to say, I can no longer sing due to excessive throat damage. 
Newports are about the absolute worst cigs one can smoke, and yet they are the most popular... *shrugs*
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i have had periods of months without them, <summer> but whenever school starts i start smoking more and more. They are a great stress relief. and those adds. puh-lease. I started smoking cause i saw people still smoking despite all the bad shit it would do to you. so i tried on and hated it. then i tried on later and liked it a lot.
Its the little cigs that count..just like everyone else, the after dinner cig, and the morning drive to wokr cig to wake up are awesome.
plus, i have used smoking to stay awake. chain smoke and you cant fall asleep.
But dont start, cause it has made me lazier and less active. I used to be a good trumpet player but now that i smoke..hahah i would suck if i tried.
Never tried to quit, never had a good reason to.
People are like:
smoking kills xxxx people per day/year/minute/second whatever.
Well, so does living. seriously, alcohol is bad to, but lately the press has focused on "big tabacco"- why dont you ask why people still drink?
cause they enjoy it...and i enjoy smoking. I will post a steve martin bit in here that i feel covers smoking. its great.
There are to many fucking ways to die: if you worry about them all, you'll die of a nervous breakdown..uh-oh another one to worry about 
. so i say fuck it and do what makes you happy. smoking makes me happy.
the end.
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I started smoking my Sophomore year of college. I started on Cigars, loved them, then started smoking just a few cigs at parties. Then, girl troubles, suddenly I buy my first pack and smoke most of it that night. I smoked for about a year and a half, then I quit because of a girl. I didn't quit so much as I didn't smoke, except maybe a couple every couple of months (or, blow through a pack in a night with a friend, or one after a test or at 3AM when doing lab work, etc).
I stayed quit for about 9 months before I moved to Tuscon. The second my mom got on the plane back to minnesota, I bought a pack at the nearest gas station. Right now, I'm doing about 4-5 cigs a day (always after work... my coworkers don't have a clue), with a couple of days off of smoking when i finish a pack. I'm cutting down because I'm trying to get into shape, and I want to be able to rollerblade like a madman again.
I don't recommend starting to anyone. It is a tough thing to control, and without experience, it can spiral into an expensive habit. I started when smokes were about 1.80 a pack, and they're up to about 4 bucks. That is the most fascist bullshit ever. Double in price in less than 2 years? Come the fuck on! I think about 2.50 of that is taxes now. That's my real rant.
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Originally posted by Vigilante:
Well, if it's too expensive, you could just quit.
Eh, it's not a significant part of the budget. Hell, I'm blowing 躔 for a PS2 and accessories. Ŭ a week isn't a huge deal... just pisses me off that this is allowed.
Reason that Newports are ghetto cigs: They cost about ũ.50 a pack, and you can usually get a buy 2 get 1 free sale. Not worth it, man... nasty mofos.
Sorry about he rant, just wanted to get that out of my system. Flame away!
You dont have to walk past me when i smoking, just like if you want to stand up and preach outside, i dont have to listen. Go upwind of me. But if you want to make a big deal about people spewing out pollutants, go after those people who drive. they are responsible for far more than what my meager habit does to your body.
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There is a smog that lingers around most major cities due to car exhaust, not the morning cigarette. There's a reason I have a job working on car exhaust, not trying to figure out who's smoking too much.
As for indoor smoking, I agree that it's pretty unnecessary in most cases. The only place i'll smoke indoors is a bar, which usually has excellant ventillation, since it's a building code. I never understood why fast food restuarants allowed smoking when theer would be a high kid population, but thankfully that has changed. Kids shouldn't be forced to take that stuff in since most of the time they have no choice in the matter, and it is infinitely more harmful. For an adult, screw you... figure your own way out of the path of the smoke.
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Originally posted by demonk:
[B]Second hand smoke is actually worse than what the smokers inhale. B]
Based on what?
Smokers never inhale second hand smoke?
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Secondhand smoke is worse because after you breathe out the smoke <thats what secondhand smoke is, smoke you've smoked and then exhaled > it has all the bad shit from your lungs in it also.
cigarette smoke doesnt "linger about at head level". what a crock. And if you think car pollution remains only on roads, you're a moron. look into a thing called "smog". Its really bad for you. Do you think, in mexico city, those "smog days" they have where you're not supposed to go outside are cause by smokers?
what ten million smokers simultaneously exhale, huh?
nope. And guess what? Most smokers dont hold with smoking in buildings either. It makes everything smell like cigarette smoke, which is nasty smelling. I only smoke outside. Dont go to places where they let people smoke inside. Just like some smokers i know dont go places that wont let them smoke inside.
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as for what cars put out versus what cigarettes do, there are several thousand chemicals in a cigarette. there are two in gasoline. 2-2-4 tri-methyl pentane and octane. they're hydrocarbons. when they burn, they put out carbon dioxide and water. at least, that's what they're supposed to put out. but they're not entirely efficient, so they also put out carbon monoxide. if carbon dioxide is pollution, then you might as well fuckin kill every last one of us. because every breath we exhale is pollution.
there's also a difference between the chemicals put out by cars and those of cigarettes in that the ones from cigarettes often have cumulative effect. once the carbon particles that are in cigarette smoke, the tar stuff, gets into the lungs, it never comes out. carbon monoxide is dangerous if it's prolonged exposure to high levels of it, but going outside and getting enough oxygen can completely negate those effects.
cars are not enough like cigarettes to make an accurate analogy. we never see anyone listing statistics for how many people die a year because of car exhaust. so, if you really want to make that comparison... the number of reported deaths due to second hand car exhaust last year was .. there weren't any. and that's with millions and millions of cars on the road.
but you can find data for how many people died because second hand smoke causes cancer.
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kuru
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Read up on yer facts- cars cause hella pollution. Note: CO is an ordorless gas. If cars only put off CO as pollution, then why the hell does their exhaust smell so bad?
cause they also release other toxic chemicals.
Oh wait. you might have noticed i wasnt comparing them as them being alike, which is what an analogy is. I said, simply, that cars pollute lots. Cars are one of the top ten causes of air pollution. cigarettes are not. and many many people die from air pollution each year, except that its usually listed as asthma because the govmnt doesnt want you to know how bad the air you breathe is for you.
ever wonder why "asthma" is on the rise...its called air pollution, and it kills. and cars make it as bad as it is.
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Whiskey@throttle: If you're sitting in a bar alone doing nothing, you look like a stalker and nobody will talk to you because you frighten them. If you're smoking and drinking beer, usually they won't be as frightened, and you might get people sitting near you or asking to bumb a smoke (an easy icebreaker with no committment to the concept of picking them up in case of rejection).
I work in car exhaust. My job is writing software to facillitate the measurement of car exhaust. Car exhaust is a huge problem mostly because of the few cars that aren't in good repair. The worst part is that most of these people can get their car tweaked for about 50 bucks, pass an emissions test, then have it tweaked back to nasty soot mode. I can reiterate all of the things that I posted earlier, but I won't because it'll just be a repeat. The point is, volume wise, more crappy stuff comes out of cars that aren't in good repair. While the ideal chemical conversions would show a breakdown of certain hydrocarbons into CO and water, it is a very delicate mix that can end up creating extra CO if the car is running lean, and extra NOx gases if it's running rich. Besides that, unburnt fuel is shot through and other fun HCs are created, including a lot of aromatics, which have a nice tendancy to stick in your body as well. These are just the most common things coming out of car exhaust. The number of individual chemicals numbers in the hundreds.
Ever seen one semi accelerate one time out of a stop light? The amount of particulates coming up more than equals what I could smoke in a week or two.
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Nevertheless, I'm still curious. For all of you walking chimneys: how long have you been smoking? When did you start? Think you'll quit?
Sidenote: one good thing I've got to credit smoking with is that it gives you something to do in an otherwise abnormal situation. For example, you can be hanging out solo, tapping your thumbs like a dork, or you can actually be doing something that is tragically hip...it's also an icebreaker, I've noticed, quite like weed amongst stoners
Ok, here are my points. Yes, cars to put out more pollutents each year than all the smokers do. And yes, those pollutents are very bad and some do have cumulative effects just like pollutents coming from smokers. But there is one thing different. While cars are being given tighter and tighter restrictions on emission levels, and alternative and cleaner engins are constantly being researched and developed, there is no work towards making emissions from smokers less harmful to bistanders and the environment. I think this one point shows our attitudes towards smoking as a society.
Another point: we aren't talking about cars here, we are talking about smoking. If we were talking about how there should be tougher laws against rapists, and someone said that murders are much worse and therefore we should focuse more on them and leave the rapists alone, there would be a big outcry against that. And no, I'm not comparing smokers to rapists. I just wanted to use an analogy to the current situation.
We need to keep the subject of smokers and cars seperate. When it comes down to it, both create unneccessary pollution and negative effects on people and the enviroment and need to be curtailed.
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Originally posted by demonk:
While cars are being given tighter and tighter restrictions on emission levels, and alternative and cleaner engins are constantly being researched and developed, there is no work towards making emissions from smokers less harmful to bistanders and the environment. I think this one point shows our attitudes towards smoking as a society.
started to flame but then i read it again.
there are laws that limit where and when you can smoke, not excatly better emissions but it does help keep smoke away from non-smokers.
by far the best thing you can do when someone fires up a cig is leave, i know sometimes that isn't possible, but if it is then do it. if you can't leave try asking nicely if they would not smoke. tell them you have allergies (a little white lie never hurt anyone), or you have to use oxygen, or just tell them the truth (which i doubt someone is gonna put out their cig cause you don't like it (althought i prolly would if you asked nicely))
damn i just realized, im to lazy to go back and correct the letter switches in my post.
I think i'll go smoke instead.
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the burning of hydrocarbons, (fossil fuels, gasoline, butane, methane, etc) is supposed to result in the production of 2 things. C02 and H20.
this is because (i'll use ethane as my example because i remember the chemical formula for it - after being reminded that this one is actually ethane)
the structure of methane looks like: (hopefully this comes out right with the line wraps and ubb formating)
*** H * H
*** | * |
H - C - C - H
*** | * |
*** H * H
try to ignore the *, they were a lame attempt to get the thing to space right.
and oxygen is O = O
so it's 2C2H6 + 702 -> 4C02 + 6H20 (equation is balanced, thanks to a little outside help)
but the thing is, the methane doesn't burn totally efficiently and other things screw it up, so you get other results out.
i can't remember the formula exactly for 2-2-4 tri-methyl pentane (the main ingredient in gasoline), except to say that it's 5 carbons in a chain with a 2 methyl molecules on the 2nd carbon in the chain, and 1 attached to the fourth. octane follows the same pattern as methane, but with 8 carbons. C8H18. there are other impurities in the gasoline itself, which also burn. the gasoline also doesn't burn totally efficiently, which is why we get all those nasty little pollutants.
also, as an interesting little note, the internal combustion engine is horribly inefficient. in the *best* case, 23\% of the gasoline burned actually produces movement of the car.
as far as smoking goes, i don't really complain when people do it around me. i don't allow it in any room i'm going to have to sleep in, and right now because i have a pretty serious problem with my lungs, i'd prefer if people didn't smoke around me, but i'm not gonna be rude about it.
hope someone finds that info above to be intersting.
thanks for correcting my mistakes
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kuru
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This message has been edited by kuru on October 31, 2000 at 07:53 PM
I find all of this chemistry fascinating. It's nice to see also that each year emission control measures are getting better on automobiles. From all of the data sitting around, it seems to be helping. What isn't helping is all of the reformulated varieties of fuels, not to mention some of the alternative fuels. Compressed natural gas is not a good fuel source. Why? Because you don't get much power in a standard mix, so most people richen the mixture. At that point, there's just as much, or more pollution coming out of the car (or bus!). That pisses me off, sorry.
Each year we see reactions to cigarettes as well. They become more expensive (exponentially), more places don't allow smoking, more disturbing ads come on tv, and more people shun it as socially irresponsible. Not that it's necessarily a good thing, but at least I don't look as cool as I did a year ago.
the others i have no problem with usually except that i can't seme to remember what a 7 carbon chain is.
haven't been in a chemistry class in four years, and an organic chemistry class in six, so i'm a little bit shaky. thanks for the correction.
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kuru
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(8 carbons, longest chain 5, methyl group on 2, 2, and 4)
code:
H
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H H-C-H H H H
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H-C - C - C - C - C-H
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H H-C-H H H-C-H H
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H H
/me is a l33t ch3m357.
(I fixed it woohoo. [code] works nicely)
This message has been edited by CatKnight on November 06, 2000 at 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by CatKnight:
2-2-4 tri-methyl pentane:
(8 carbons, longest chain 5, methyl group on 2, 2, and 4)********H
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****H H-C-H H***H***H
****|***|***|***|***|
**H-C - C - C - C - C-H
****|***|***|***|***|
****H H-C-H H H-C-H H
********|*******|
********H******H
I'm cheating, but how about:
***CH3
****|
CH3-C-CH3-CH2-CH3
****|******|
***CH3****CH3
edit: Closing my quotes
This message has been edited by askheaves on November 03, 2000 at 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by askheaves:
***CH3
****|
CH3-C-CH3-CH2-CH3
****|******|
***CH3****CH3
I think that should be
***CH3
****|
CH3-C-CH2-CH-CH3
****|******|
***CH3****CH3
Edits: "& n b s p ;" works for spaces, but this isn't a monotype font so the spaces don't line up.
This message has been edited by Michael on November 03, 2000 at 11:19 AM
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Let's try that. It should work the same as a pre tag...
code:CH3 H
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CH3-C-CH2-C-CH3
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CH3 CH3
Oh well... guess that didn't quite work. The pre tags are there in the source, and spaces are being preserved, but not in a monospace font. Hmmm... I vaguely remember something about pre tags not working when contained in another element; neither Netscape nor IE seems to support this.
This message has been edited by Michael on November 04, 2000 at 01:13 PM
1 methane
2 ethane
3 propane
4 butane
5 pentane
6 hexane
7 heptane
8 octane
9 nonane
10 decane
Then you get into the double (-ene) and triple (-yne) bond varieties...
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