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Topic: Shredder 2000!
started by: PersonGuy

Posted by PersonGuy on Apr. 29 2001,03:21

Ok... this is probably my first thread in the rants forum...

WHAT IS WITH THE FUCKING SHREDDER 2000 COMMERITIAL!!! THAT (and mabey the 'bodybag' thing they did for a while) IS SO FUCKING RETARTED THAT I WANT TO GO BUY CIGARETTES JUST TO PISS THOSE GAY COWBOY FREAKS OFF!

Not only that... there's TWO version of the commertial. "WE WILL WE WILL ANNOY YOU" and "EXTRA LONG" (aka: "PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE").

WORST of all, I think they ACTUALLY DID THAT!! If I was in that building, I would have ran my fuzzy ass face into the filing room and THROWN A FUCKING FILE CABINENT OUT THE FUCKING WINDOW and say, "YOU FUCKING COWBOYS NEED TO GET A FUCKING LIFE!! STICK THAT FUCKING BULL-HORN UP YOUR ASS AND THEN JUMP IN THAT FUCKING SHREDDER, YOU LITTLE PUSSY ASS BITCHS!"

...thank-you...

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Posted by askheaves on Apr. 29 2001,06:02

I agree, but those commercials are oddly effective. I'm just trying to figure out who's contributing so much money to truth.com and smellingpukinghabit.com (or whatever it's called) so that we can be berated on a daily basis by the most annoying and misleading commercials ever.

But, it has made me want to reduce my consumption a bit. I don't know if i have, but I have today at least. (Note I haven't directly addressed what the commercials are for our foreign friends )

Posted by Sithiee on Apr. 29 2001,08:15

i agree, theyre as annoying as fuck, but its better than doing nothing. maybe they should take PG on as a consultant on how to make an effective but not annoying commercial.

Posted by Wolfguard on Apr. 29 2001,10:10

quote:
Originally posted by askheaves:
I agree, but those commercials are oddly effective. I'm just trying to figure out who's contributing so much money to truth.com and smellingpukinghabit.com (or whatever it's called) so that we can be berated on a daily basis by the most annoying and misleading commercials ever.

Do you remember the big settlement that the tobacco companies had to pay out? This is part of it. Truth.com is almost 100\% funded by big tobacco.

How is that for a bit of truth?

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Posted by Chrissy on Apr. 29 2001,13:23

Is that really true WG?

I didn't know that-

my least favorite tobacco commercial is the one of the kids in that nasty apt where they are drinking like old milk and making eggs in a dirty pan - then the one kid goes to light a cig and the other one says "Dude thats gross"- I HATE that commercial. They always play it during wrestling- you know tabacco is wacko for teens (I dont think teens would be living in their own apt personally- I was 21 when I got my first place so...)
I think all those commercials are pretty dumb- maybe thats just because Im a smoker and every fucking day someone tells me that I should quit-
I say
stfu!

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Posted by PersonGuy on Apr. 29 2001,14:02

quote:
Originally posted by Neophyre:
umm but WHAT THE?!?!

I don't think they force this kind of tourture on you Aussies.

Yah, Wolf-man is right about the tabacco funding their own anti-smoking adds...

And the "tabbaco is wacko" this is so RETARTED!!! At the bottom of all the adds it says, "Tabbacco is wacko... if your under 18..." WTF! Is it any better for legal adults? What a ton of crap.

Although I will admit that the April Fools "tabacco recal" add was GENIOUS! That was really good... it got my attention... it made a point... it was funny... and I was actually GLAD that I got to see it twice!

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Posted by CatKnight on Apr. 29 2001,14:40

heh i liked the commerical on april fools day with that tobacco executive looking guy saying how they were recalling cig's haha. i was lmao while my room mate gave me dirty looks.

Posted by askheaves on Apr. 29 2001,15:24

That's great how the smokers found that commercial the funniest. It's like, nobody else probably cared.

When I was a kid, smoking was out of the question (and especially drugs), so I didn't even pay attention to the commercials because it didn't involve me. Then, I started these things, and the commercials annoyed me... leave me alone!!! So, now I sit there, watch the most artistically disturbing 30 seconds spots in history, and get annoyed... as well as convinced to slow down, even though I'm probably under the level where they're actually bad for you, or something.

Hell, you can't even use the patch or gum if you're under a pack a day... which I definitely am. It reminds me of the rehab scene in Half Baked:
"I'm addicted to Marijuana"
"Marijuana?!?!?! Boo!!!"
Bob Sagat: "I used to suck dick for coke. Did you ever suck dick for weed?"

Posted by Chrissy on Apr. 29 2001,16:35

I am definately under a pack a day too- probably a pack a week if that (and if its a bad week)
The commercials annoy me- stop trying to be my morality!
ugh!

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Posted by Neophyre on Apr. 29 2001,17:32

umm but WHAT THE?!?!

Posted by mqa on Apr. 29 2001,21:02

we got these anti-smoking posters in malls and stuff here, where these kids are on the poster looking pissed with a sign underneath them that says "tobbaco executives are getting rich of your lung cancer" or stuff like that. the thing is though, they got local kids to model for these posters, some of them from my old school, and a couple of the kids they got were chain smoking herione addicts! i wonder where the money they got for doing those ads went? ohhh the irony!

Posted by Nene on Apr. 30 2001,16:26

quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy:
I am definately under a pack a day too- probably a pack a week if that (and if its a bad week)
The commercials annoy me- stop trying to be my morality!
ugh!

I didnt know you couldn't use the gum or patch if you smoked under a pack. That sux. I have a 7-9 cig a day habit.

I laughed my ass off at the april fool commercial too. I think its good they are trying to stop kids from starting. Then again, I didn't light up until I was 21.

I hate addictions.

Nene

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Posted by solid on May 01 2001,01:20

Instead of smoking I'll be the kind of person who drinks a lot of beer..

okay back to topic.
wait, ive got nothing to contribute.
i apologize.

Posted by Wolfguard on May 01 2001,14:55

quote:
Originally posted by Chrissy:
Is that really true WG?
I didn't know that-

I got it from two different sorces. One is a corp lawyer who said it was part of the money that they had to pay.

The other from a person that did work for them and saw the checks.

And they always leave this little bit of truth out of every thing they say.

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Posted by demonk on May 06 2001,04:32

So? What's wrong with them getting their money from the tobacco companies? It's not like the tobacco companies LIKE giving them money, but they have to. I don't know all the details, but I do remember hearing that the tobacco companies have to give money to stop smoking campains and such. I actually found the commercial funny. It would have been better if they put at the end "Now in regular and tobacco company sizes". That would have been funny.

Posted by PersonGuy on May 07 2001,00:56

Yah... actually it WAS kind of funnt... funny like, "NOW I'M DESTROYING PARTS OF MY HOME ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEMS BECAUSE I'M SO ENRAGED BY THIS FLAMING SHIT THAT SOME PEOPLE CALL A PSA!"

You know... THAT kind of funny.

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Posted by Wolfguard on May 09 2001,11:23

quote:
Originally posted by demonk:
So? What's wrong with them getting their money from the tobacco companies?

Just one thing really.

Its a TRUTH that they chose not to disclose.

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Posted by Sithiee on May 11 2001,04:28

if theyre marketing to little kids, that is a problem. seeing as how its only legal for 18+, it should be illegal to market to little kids. when theyre found guilty of doing that, then they have to make reparations. hence them making truth commericals.

Posted by pengu1nn on May 11 2001,05:14

i really fucking hate those commericals.
they forget to tell you how bad driving a car is for you, or taking a plane, or a train, or just fucking living on this shithole place (that i love) called earth. truth is everybody dies, 1000's of ppl die every day. if you smoke and die, its your own damn fault, not the goddamn tobacco companys. your the motherfucker that put the fucking cig in your mouth and lit it. you chose to do it. stop fucking whinning and complaining. ITS YOUR FUCKING FAULT.

i smoke. i choose to smoke. its none of your fucking business, these half ass bullshit commericals have got to go.

i can go on for days about the fucking gay ass bastards at truth.com but i'm going to stop here

aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by PersonGuy on May 11 2001,13:42

I wish I had recorded LL Adam C's rant on second hand smoke and how it MAY have killed 2 (TWO) people in 1999... ROFLMAO!

And are you saying parents who smoke should be thrown in jail for abusing their children?

Oh, and last time I looked driving and voting are ALSO marketed toward children. DAMN TYCO! DAMN AP GOVERNMENT! And before you go berzerk on that...

You could say that the Barbie Farari burns a need for cool forein cars into the minds of young impressionable children. Then when they grow up they'll buy horibly expensive REAL cars! Does TYCO want 13 year olds behind the wheel? HELL NO! I also remember doing mock votes in school (and I'll be damned if I'll let them trick me into using the full extent of my American rights! )

The only way that cigarette companies have come close to simulating smoking for children is bubble gum cigarettes... oh wait... CANDY COMPANYS MAKE THOSE, RETARD!

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on May 12, 2001 at 07:06 PM

Posted by Sithiee on May 11 2001,14:02

cartoon characters? hmm....who watches cartoons? uhh...kids? look, it doesnt even matter what you think. it was found in a court of law that cigarrette companies were marketing towards children, so you saying they werent isnt gonna change that. deal with it.

Posted by demonk on May 11 2001,17:10

Smoking is not a one victum act. There's a little thing called second hand smoke that is as bad if not worse than first hand smoke. It is fair for other people around you, even if you are just walking by, to have to get a lung full of that fawl smelling shit? No, it isn't. And don't start on how cars pollute too and other shit like that. We are talking about smoking here, and nothing else. Kids are being forced to inhale the smoke from their parents' cigarets. Until smoking only effects the person smoking it, people will continue to complain about it and try to tell people what to do. It is a multiple victim act.

Posted by PersonGuy on May 12 2001,00:16

Ever notice how man kids use Alchohol illegally? I don't see and cartoons encouraging THAT. Kids who are going to do it are going to do it... it's just a matter of which brand they pick.

Ever seen this message? "This preview has been approved for all audience." That's when they've taken scenes from a rated R movie suitable for the raiting of whatever movie you are about to see. If 13 year olds in a PG-13 movie seen a preview for a rated R movie... THAT'S MARKETING TO AN ILLEGAL MARKET! What if one of those kids thinks it looks like a good move... they go to it and their mind is damaged (heh) by the graphic violence... does WB owe some damage money for marketing to children?

Hmm... on more... Has anyone seen the AT&T toy phone? This market's the idea of illegal (you have to have credit) cell phone to children! In adulthood they might be talking on a cell phone and driving... and then crash and loose a leg!! All this because of a craving of cell phone develped at a young age.

This message has been edited by PersonGuy on May 12, 2001 at 07:19 PM

Posted by Sithiee on May 12 2001,02:24

personguy, thats not relevant, nor is it a good argument. the fact remains that they did advertise to children (as found in a court of law) and thusly, they have to make reparations for it. they can appeal if they think its unfair (im sure they have) but the focus was not on alcohol or rated r movies or whatnot. the focus was cigarretes. why? cigarettes are adictive. so when a tobacco company hooks a 13 year old kid, they have a customer until their product kills him. if the 13 year old kid is hooked on beer, and then decides to stop, there isnt any sort of chemical need he has for it. thats why smoking is worse than drinking. and yes, some people are alcoholics and become addicted to alcohol, but thats a chemical thing (i think) that was there before they started drinking, not something in the drink, so you cant hold the maker of the product responsible. the tobacco companies know their product is addictive because of the nicotine in it. they know that (100\%?) of the people who try their product for a while will become addicted. the beer companies dont know ahead of time who will and who wont be. thats a major factor in why tobacco companies are targeted. and 13 year old kids are allowed to see rated R movies if an adult is with them, so thats not illegal. i dont know about nc-17 movies.

Posted by PersonGuy on May 12 2001,14:24

ROFL... come on... as a DetNet elder you should be able to tell when I'm MOSTLY joking around. I'm not tring all that hard to defend tabacco companies, cause the truth (heh) is that I'm FOR anti-smoking campains!

But here's what I have a problem with. They've been hounding and hounding for money (we won't get into whether THAT is right or wrong) and now that they get it they make a CRAPPY commertial (I've already admitted I like the April Fool's add... but the "BODYBAG" thing SUCKED ASS)! Why don't they use a cartoon character (may I suggest Non-Smoky the Bear") if it's SOOOO effective anyway? Don't they want to stop children from smoking?

I can't see ONE thing about that Shredder 2000 commeritail that would appeal (or even make any sence) to a kid! Gay cowboys yelling about marketing reports... that's just BLABLABLA to a kid!

WORST of all, even if tobacco companies didn't want to give the money... they DID. And it's pretty mean for TRUTH to now start harrassing them in their own office buildings! They portray the heads of tabacco companies as PURE EVIL and who's sole perpose is to KILL EVERYBODY!

All I'm asking is that they take the money and make commertials that DON'T suck... is that so hard?

Anyway... you've inspired me to draw a comic entitled, "The Making of the Shredder 2000 Commertial."

I've got it all story boarded, but I only have enough time to draw about 3 panels a day... so we begin our story with pannels 1-3!

This message has been edited by PersonGuy on May 13, 2001 at 09:33 AM

Posted by Sithiee on May 12 2001,14:40

quote:
Originally posted by PersonGuy:
Why don't they use a cartoon character (may I suggest Non-Smoky the Bear") if it's SOOOO effective anyway? Don't they want to stop children from smoking?

they have lots of anti smoking campaigns going on tv all over the country. theyre called PSAs (public service announcement) and i think that every broadcast station has to run like 20 minutes worth a day (i might be wrong on that, but thats what i remember hearing).

quote:

I can't see ONE thing about that Shredder 2000 commeritail that would appeal (or even make any sence) to a kid! Gay cowboys yelling about marketing reports... that's just BLABLABLA to a kid!

its not just about children, its about trying to stop everyone from smoking.

quote:
WORST of all, even if tobacco companies didn't want to give the money... they DID. And it's pretty mean for TRUTH to now start harrassing them in their own office buildings! They portray the heads of tabacco companies as PURE EVIL and who's sole perpose is to KILL EVERYBODY!

they make it seem like their sole purpose is to make money, hence the talking about hooking little kids and the marketing reports (about making money). and that is the truth, theyre out to make as much money as possible, so they do unethical things like try to hook little kids, which is why the truth is working so hard to make them look bad.

quote:
All I'm asking is that they take the money and make commertials that DON'T suck... is that so hard?

have you ever tried making a commercial that was really in your face, talked about the kind off stuff that they do and didnt suck? if you can, send it to them.

This message has been edited by Sithiee on May 13, 2001 at 09:41 AM

Posted by PersonGuy on May 12 2001,15:03

quote:
Originally posted by Sithiee:
its not just about children, its about trying to stop everyone from smoking.

WHY? It's LEGAL for THEM to smoke! The children is what it's ALL ABOUT, RIGHT??? That's what the sew-age is about... that's where the anti-money should go! As we all know... "Tabacco is Wacco (if your under 18)"

quote:
Originally posted by Sithiee:
they make it seem like their sole purpose is to make money

EXACTLY MY POINT! They're not trying to "KILL EVERYBODY". And let me say it again... the money (according to law) is a FAIR settlement and should leave boths sides at an equal justice. Therefore TRUTH is being asshole-ish to continue to belittle the very people who funded them!

Bash smoking all you want! Bash cancer all you want... BUT THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT BUILDING HAVE FUCKING PAID THEIR DUES!! LEAVE THEM THE FUCK ALONE!!

quote:
Originally posted by Sithiee:
have you ever tried making a commercial that was really in your face

No... but I could come up with something better than gay cowboys...

BTW... that commertial when the lady smokes a cigarret through her neck... BRILLIANT!! VERY EFFECTIVE, doesn't go off base, and doesn't shit on anyone! It takes facts and stream-lines it right into horror! A+++++ If they consistantly made commertials like that I would be MORE than happy!

Posted by Sithiee on May 12 2001,15:55

im not gonna bother quoting this time.

its legal to get abortions, but there are plenty of anti-abortion materials in the media. argument by PG: Null and void.

yes, they made their reparations. and then the truth is out to make them look bad still. its perfectly legal. as long as they arent putting lies in their commercials, they are allowed to say what they want to. if they started saying things that were lies, then they could get in trouble. this is what we call free speech. if its true about someone, you can tell everyone.

Posted by PersonGuy on May 13 2001,01:09

It's a total lie to say that anyone who works for a tabacco company is a complete peice of heartless scum who won't rest until he smothers you in your sleep! THAT is a LIE!

EVERY buisness trys to make money and MANY of them do it unfairly! How about boob enancement (yah, right) pills that are marketed to women with low self-asteem? They're basically being taken advantage of and tricked to buy a product that not only fails to grow their boobs... but even if it did would fail to restore their confidence (as it claims to do)!

How about marketing diets to MORBIDLY obease people? EVERYONE should be fit... not just the ones who are HUNDREDS of pounds over weight. And how about their unfair practice of doctoring weight standards? They lower the "healthy" weight in charts so that more people will feel they need their products!

How about Disney? They blast commertial after commertial to brain wash unsuspecting kids, who thow a fit if mom doesn't take them to a movie and buy all the toys!

How about "save the children" funds? They show pictures of dirty little kids eating garbage to make the guilt ridden cough up cash. And only 20\% of it actually goes to helping children!

Buisness is buisness. Yes, they did something unfair AND GOT CAUGHT. They complied to advertisment regulations. They payed a settlement! LEAVE THEM ALONE! They don't owe anybody anything more... ESPECIALLY THEIR DIGNITY!

Posted by Sithiee on May 13 2001,01:54

but the truth doesnt have to. by law, they dont have to. this isnt about whats "right" as you see it. the truth has the freedom to do this. if you dont think they do, challenge them on it, and maybe you will get the government to say they dont have that right. that is like how all those other industries/companies have the right, unless a court says they dont. hence innocent (not breaking the law) until proven guilty (breaking the law).

and im sorry, but anyone who can push a habit on a 6th grader that they know will eventually kill them (assuming nothing else kills them first) is pretty heartless and evil.

Posted by kai on May 13 2001,02:59

quote:
Originally posted by Sithiee:
and im sorry, but anyone who can push a habit on a 6th grader that they know will eventually kill them

they're gonna freakin die anyways! trust me. why do people act like without ciggarettes people will live forever.

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Posted by Sithiee on May 13 2001,08:17

yeah, well if you dont cut off someones head, theyll still eventually die anyway.

Posted by CatKnight on May 13 2001,11:37

girls that smoke are sexaaay (e.g. nene, chrissy)

Posted by PersonGuy on May 13 2001,16:48

Part 2 of 5

Posted by Sithiee on May 14 2001,05:12

pg, they didnt ask for money from the tobacco companies to make the ads, the companies were forced by the court to pay for them. if your gonna make fun of something, make fun of the right thing.

This message has been edited by Sithiee on May 14, 2001 at 12:13 PM

Posted by PersonGuy on May 14 2001,13:27

quote:
Originally posted by Sithiee:
pg, if your gonna make fun of something, make fun of the right thing.

...now back to our featured presentation...

Posted by Sithiee on May 14 2001,16:48

yeah, but satire makes fun of stuff that happened. you dont even mention the government being involved.

Posted by CatKnight on May 15 2001,05:41

personguy's cartoons are awesome, good drawing work

Posted by PersonGuy on May 15 2001,14:25

Hehe... I'm actually NOT very good... I'm just trying REALLY hard!

This is my first time using a foundtain pen... you should see the ink ALL OVER my hands!

quote:
Originally posted by Sithiee:
yeah, but satire makes fun of stuff that happened.

Last time I looked The Adventures of Huckleberry Fin is a work a satirical FICTION! And if you look below you'll notice the words "parody" and "caricature". Notice the "NO no smoking" sign? I doubt they ACTUALLY have those in the building. I doubt that all the protesters OR all of the smoking corp ACTUALLY smoke. It's just a joke and doesn't present itself as anything but.

ON WITH THE SHOW!

Tune in tomorrow for the thrilling conclusion...

This message has been edited by PersonGuy on May 16, 2001 at 09:39 AM

Posted by PersonGuy on May 15 2001,15:02

Actually, Sithee... you got me thinking, so I ICQed my old therapist to ask him why I felt compelled to make this comic. What he said made a LOT of sence...

quote:
Your total disgust in this commercial seems to have triggered an overwhelming disbelief that it could ACCIDENTLY be created at such a painfully 'weetaated' level. Therefore you feel the need envision an INTENTIONAL creation, where someone has PURPOSELY tainted it's potential. And your need to characterize it, is simply to strengthen this fabricated reality and share with your peers the absurdity of the ACTUAL commercial.

Posted by CatKnight on May 15 2001,15:21

pssht duh

edit: w00t

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Posted by Wolfguard on May 15 2001,15:55

quote:
Originally posted by PersonGuy:
Actually, Sithee... you got me thinking, so I ICQed my old therapist to ask him ....

i think you need a younger therapist...

good cartoons. I cant wait for the final.

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Posted by pengu1nn on May 15 2001,18:24

is it just me or did somewhere along the line, the government took over my parents job? whatever happened to teaching your kids? "hey look dad that cartoon is smoking, i bet i would look cool if i smoked" "son, smoking is bad, it can cause cancer, it also fills your lungs with tar and makes it so you can barely breathe" the kid never smokes a cig in his life. why cause someone with there fucking head of straight talked to there kid. like school shootings, are you gonna tell me it was doom that made them do it. no, it was some sorry ass mom and dad who forgot to mention that people that think they are better than you suck and they should ignore them, they will one day be scum cleaning up shit on the mcdonald's bathroom wall.(thats not a "good" arguement but it helps my point, no longer will the non smokers, say this is only about tobacco because it's not) why can't i goto mcD's and get a burger that looks like the one on tv? advertising is evil, any form of it. if i want it i will buy it and that is the bottom line. not cause some cartoon is driving it around or sticking it up his ass, i don't give a shit about that fucking cartoon. its about what i want, and you can't change that with your ad's

on the other hand targeting kids should be illegal. tobacco, toys, whores, drugs, whatever you market to a kid should be illegal, if they are that easy to pursuade then it should be up to the parents to decide, so they can goto the toysrus (we didn't have one around here) and get the toy that really appeals to them, not cause it was on tv, but because it's fun to play with.

or something like that

Posted by Sithiee on May 15 2001,21:45

yeah, its the parents job, but with the information theyre getting, no wonder its not working. i hate that one thats like "talk to your kids about smoking. once is not enough. make sure they know what you want. tell them again and again" WTF?? my parents have never once told me not to smoke, drink, whatever, and i never have. am i an exception? i doubt it. i bet a lot of kids who start smoking do it to PO their rents.

Posted by PersonGuy on May 17 2001,00:35

quote:
Originally posted by Wolfguard:
i think you need a younger therapist...

No way! He rules! He legally changed his name to Tyler Durden cause he loved Fight Club so much!

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PARENTS! AND BLA!

Personally, when I was really young I remember the pack dispensers in restraunts and I remember wanting to get Camel brand. Not because of "Joe", but cause of that cool looking Egyption camel on the pack (hey... Egypt was cool back them )! Anyway, that was only the first three times I saw them, cause all three of those, my parents would explain that they were bad. After that "Joe" really had no effect on me, and I only had to deal with peer pressure. I knew that my parents would kill me and burry me in the back yard if I ever tried it... so I just made the wise disition.

Comic time!

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