Topic: Web site Hosting
started by: joelthegreat
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 02 2002,18:26
I figure here is as good a place as any to ask this question.I am looking for a place to host my site with as much monthly bandwidth as I can get, and as many features that I can get. Geocities.com (crap it is) gives me 3 gigs a month which they chop up to about 4mb an hour...
I want more. I want FTP access, I want this I want that.
Thing is I don't really have any money to do such a thing as get all the features I want.
Where can I get a web host like this for free, and if not free, the cheapest?
Or am I just stupid and should drop the whole idea?
Posted by Dysorderia on Jul. 02 2002,18:37
| Quote |
| < Netfirms FREE Hosting The Netfirms FREE Hosting plan is a great way of getting started with the web. Our free hosting has many of the same features as our Premium hosting plans and is supported by a banner placed neatly on the top of your pages. It's that simple. What You Get: > Absolutely NO Setup Fees > 25MB of Disk Space > 1GB / month Data Transfer (over 50,000 pageviews) > Microsoft FrontPage Server Extensions > Full CGI Bin Directory (Perl) > 1 WebMail Account (with a registered domain name) > FTP Uploads > |
::edit:: plus they let you host images(say like avatars or pictures to be used anywhere) and they are reliable as free hosts go.
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 02 2002,18:44
Looks okay, but I want more data transfer...My little Peanut butter Jelly time .swf made yahoo geocities shut my page down for an hour because of to much traffic to it...I don't like that. I want to be able to put bigger files up and have more and more people see them when they want.
Posted by RadioActive on Jul. 02 2002,19:02
get ADSL or cable if you don't already and host your own webserver with all the features you want
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 02 2002,19:08
I have a cable Modem<l4m0r n00b mode>how do I turn my computer into my own web server?</l4m0r n00b mode>
Posted by jim on Jul. 02 2002,19:24
< http://www.darkscape.net/ >
Posted by Wiley on Jul. 02 2002,19:40
When you find one that won't change you for bandwith let me know. I had to start paying for my co-location in Exodus which is costing me a fortune now 
But, I've yet to find a free lunch.
Posted by Wiley on Jul. 02 2002,19:50
| Quote (joelthegreat @ 02 July 2002,11:08) |
| <l4m0r n00b mode>how do I turn my computer into my own web server?</l4m0r n00b mode> |
< Click Here >
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 02 2002,19:55
ICKY!! Micro$loth! icky patooey!I spit on it.
Anyways over it...
thanks.
Posted by just_dave on Jul. 02 2002,21:07
| Quote (Wiley @ 02 July 2002,02:40) |
| When you find one that won't change you for bandwith let me know. I had to start paying for my co-location in Exodus which is costing me a fortune now But, I've yet to find a free lunch. |
richard showed me this host
< phpwebhosting > pretty kewl place.
dave
edit: link fix
Posted by RadioActive on Jul. 03 2002,03:11
don't install a web server from microsoft. a better one would be apache. since it looks like you are using windows, i would say get a version of apache for win32. then go from there. you won't need ftp since it's all on your hard drive, but you can always install an ftp server too. if you want perl, get active perl and set it up to work with apache. if you want php, you will have to find php for windows (never tried installing that so can't really help you out). great thing about this is that you get complete control of what's going on with your server.
Posted by Wiley on Jul. 03 2002,04:15
Joel ...you will also need to keep your computer on all the time. And get a static IP address and register a domain with a DNS server. You can use my DNS server if you want.
Posted by RadioActive on Jul. 03 2002,04:45
yeah. forgot to mention that. i use hn.org for free DNS, but it's been a pain in the ass lately.
Posted by humanoid on Jul. 03 2002,05:38
check out < here >
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 11 2002,14:10
I figured out what I am going to do..I have a shit box 400mhz, 96mb ram 4 gig hard drive computer...and a cable connection with a static IP. I want to turn that into a web server.
Wiley, how do I go about the DNS Thing? I don't fully understand that aspect yet...
Thank you for your help.
Posted by RadioActive on Jul. 11 2002,14:46
you can register a DNS name at < http://hn.org. > you provide them with a username and ip and it will resolve < http://username.hn.org > to your ip. there are a few other free ones. so it's either that or wiley will get you a domain name.next step is to figure out what OS you will be running, what webserver, what do you want on there (as in perl/cgi/php) and what about security (whether you need any, and if so, what are you going to use).
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 11 2002,15:01
I was thinking simple...I'm not one to have a big site, or as many users as say....detnet. Windows would probably be easiest for me to do stuff in, but linux would probably be better? (suggestions?)
I'm not sure about what webserver to use...I'm new at this but I want to learn and best way to learn is to attempt.
CGI/perl/php, I know nothing about.
I don't think security is a big issue...I have a way of backing up the info...which I probably will use.
Unless you have suggestions for cheap easy to use security software?
Posted by Wiley on Jul. 11 2002,15:39
| Quote (joelthegreat @ 11 July 2002,06:10) |
| Wiley, how do I go about the DNS Thing? |
< Register an available name > and when you see Technical users: Configure your DNS enter the following namesavers:
slimshady.cbk.net
ns1.pickleland.com
Then email me what the domain name is and what your static IP address is and I will add your name to my DNS.
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 11 2002,16:14
There's no way I can registar a name for free is there?Or maybe cheaper?
Just curious...
Posted by Wiley on Jul. 11 2002,16:35
There are lots fly by night discount name registrars, but I wouldn't use them. The guy I got my current domain name from used one and they went out of buisiness. Network Solutions / Verisign sold the name to me ...even though he never missed a payment. Now I got it for the next ten years and he's pissed. That's what you get for trying to save a buck.
Posted by RadioActive on Jul. 11 2002,16:40
no there isn't if you want a name all to yourself. if you want something.com then it will most likely cost you. www.godaddy.com has better deals on domain names from what i saw. but if you are not picky and don't mind something like user.hn.org then you can get a free one.
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 11 2002,17:19
Hmm, so if I want a joelthegreat.com name I'm going to have to pay?...and if I don't want to pay some other company's name is going to be in my name (joelthegreat.hn.org?)well that kind of is no fun.
Thank you for the info.
Posted by RadioActive on Jul. 11 2002,17:59
i agree that something.hn.org is not half as cool as your own name, but for $10US a year for .net or .com name is not a bad deal at all. can't really say you can't afford 10 for the whole year. but then again, it all depends on how much this name means to you. i always found i don't care what domain name i use as long as it does what it's supposed to do (i mostly use my FreeBSD box as pop3/smtp server, though it does run apache/php/perl/mysql)
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 12 2002,00:16
What sort of web server software should I try to obtain?I know nothing in that area..
You guys have been a great help and I appreciate it a lot. Thank you all.
Posted by RadioActive on Jul. 12 2002,15:51
www.apache.org is what i would go with. look around for win32 binaries in the download section. it might be a while till you learn how to set it up properly since it's all about editing text config files. i've seen utilities out there to simplify work, but can't remember what they were called or were to get them. either that or you can get a hold of either Windows 2000 Server or just IIS and install that. then if you want SQL, install MS SQL, install ActivePerl if you want perl and something else for php. I am not sure if there's such thing as mod_php for windows, because that would sure make things easier.
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 12 2002,16:27
What's SQL anyways? [/duh]
Posted by Beldurin on Jul. 12 2002,18:53
PHP for IIS is very easy now. They even wrote an installer that does most, if not all, of the work for you. I've never used apache for win32, so I'm not sure about that one.
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 12 2002,19:02
Why do I get the feeling that I'm going to be asking some pretty stupid n00b type questions about setting this up?
Posted by Bob_the_Cannibal on Jul. 13 2002,00:48
joel:1: if you're not on ME/2k/XP, pick up this: < Microsoft package installer >
2: then get this:< (Apache installer) >
3: post a new topic in this forum for config help, as soon as you get it installed.
Posted by ShakerMaker on Jul. 13 2002,05:49
| Quote (joelthegreat @ 12 July 2002,11:02) |
| Why do I get the feeling that I'm going to be asking some pretty stupid n00b type questions about setting this up? |
Don't worry. I think I have that title.
Posted by Estėrion on Jul. 14 2002,21:17
well, joelthegreat thanks a lot cause I had logged in just to ask all those stupid n00b questions myself.Though I'd dare to say I'm a bit more advanced(or less of a n00b, if you want).
I have this thing called FoxServ that's a package that intalls Apache, PHP, MySQL, and I think Python(I still don't know what the fuck that is... a snake?) and I think! perl, but not sure on that last one. I tried to configure PHP to work with APACHE on my own(my tarro runs XP) but never quite got it right(never got it at all, to be honest).
bout webhosting: what's the best you can get for FREE??(screw cheap. cheap is too expensive for me)
and bout running your own server: wouldn't that be like a huge risk?? I'd had to get one of those firewall thingys?
just that. this is stupid n00b 2. over.-
Posted by Estėrion on Jul. 14 2002,21:21
PS. www.foxserv.netif anyone's wondering how come I have this thing If I don't run a site... long long long story.
btw, joel, php and MySQL are the things you need to run all those nice forums aka bulletin boards... (not sure if it's the correct definition, but if it works for me, it should work for you...)
Posted by forumwhore on Jul. 14 2002,21:47
Um, Est, I don't think you need ALL of those things to do a BBS, we're trying to get PHP on the server right now...
Posted by RadioActive on Jul. 15 2002,05:30
it all depends. some boards create their own database files, but some takes the easier way out and use already made ones. well the already made database server and managment system would be SQL
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 15 2002,14:07
| Quote (Estėrion @ 14 July 2002,15:17) |
| and bout running your own server: wouldn't that be like a huge risk?? I'd had to get one of those firewall thingys? |
Good question. can I run firewall type software on the same computer and at the same time I'm running a web server?
This is why I'm glad I posted here. i wouldn't have thought of half of these things.
Well I did, but I hadn't thought aobut them a lot.
Posted by RadioActive on Jul. 15 2002,19:33
huge risk? it all depends on what the content of your site is and what you consider a huge risk. usually it is against your contract with the ISP to run any kind of server on cable or dsl, but so far my ISP didn't say a thing. that's about the most risk you will get from running a webserver. if you are terrified of getting hacked either unplug your internet or never turn your computer on. if somebody knows what they are doing no firewall will stop them. however, it can always be a nice addition to install some firewall software. i would really sudjest to stay away from anything by norton or any other big company like that.
Posted by joelthegreat on Jul. 15 2002,19:42
Hmmm...crap...I hope my ISP don't give a crap, they probably will.I am on Road Runner...I'll have to look into that. I hope they don't give a flying phooey.
I'm probably going to skip the firewall thing... If they want to take my site down so be it, it isn't going to be that big and it'll be backed up on removable media...no worry's on that I guess.
Posted by ^Oni^ on Jul. 15 2002,21:05
We have a Sun Microsystems Cobalt Qube2 server sitting on the back with no power adapter. $80 for the adapter and who knows how much for the server.Any takers?
Posted by Wiley on Jul. 15 2002,22:42
I used to have a wall of Cobalt Raq3 servers at the data center I worked at. Those are pretty neat if you want to manage several simple sites, email and DNS ...but they're not too flexible. They used to have a RedHat build on them before Sun bought them. I still use one as a personal DNS server since it is butt-simple to setup. This may however be out of Joel's price range of free.
Joel, what do you have against IIS ...seeing how your a n00b and all? I gotta defend my M$ peeps a bit and say that if you're just getting started you can't ask for anything more simple to setup and maintain.
Posted by one on Jul. 16 2002,00:46
If you're willing to cough up a few dollars per month for a personal site without ads, I have heard from various people on other forums that < PHP WebHosting > cuts a mean deal.For business sites or anything that needs a shitload of bandwidth, < UltraSurge > sells 2GB of space and 50GB of throughput for 25 dollars per month...I have yet to find a better deal.
Posted by Estėrion on Jul. 16 2002,04:23
by huge risk I meant being hacked. isn't it easier for them to get your IP an all that hacker magic they do??(sorry, I couldn't resist saying that).well, I ask again: best FREE deal out there?
oh, and just out of curiosity, what's with those SUN computers.. are they good?
Posted by Wiley on Jul. 16 2002,06:10
| Quote (Estėrion @ 15 July 2002,20:23) |
| oh, and just out of curiosity, what's with those SUN computers.. are they good? |
Those SUN computers pretty much dominate the Internet ...but not the little Cobalt ones. Those are more like the My First Sony, Playschool version of a webserver. But they are imposible to mess up. It's like using a toaster.
Posted by RadioActive on Jul. 16 2002,06:57
you'd be surprised wiley. there are a lot of talented people out there. i've seen poeple do horrible things with toasters before.... (and for the sick fucks out there, no it had nothing to do with sticking your dick in the toaster or anything sexual for that matter). as for getting hacked when running a webserver, the riscs are absolutely the same and the chances of getting hacked are the same seeing as web server is rarely the vulnerability used (unless it's an unpached IIS ofcourse, hell not updated apache too). the only thing, sometimes webserver makes you a more interesting target to attack, thus attracting unwanted attention. as for road runner, i am pretty sure it's against your agreement but you should ask around see if anybody else hosted a webserver or roadrunner and if they got busted or not.
Posted by one on Jul. 16 2002,09:52
I know a lab manager at the Sun facility in the Interlocken Tech Park in Colorado. I've been in his lab a few times -- each of the big servers had several 220v power sockets, rows and rows of SCSI hard drives, and all the internal wiring (and most of the external, for the matter) was fiber optic. That and the whole room was chilled to about 50 degrees.