Forum: Geek Forum
Topic: . Wireless Router
started by: DRUFER

Posted by DRUFER on May 29 2002,22:47
I just got in < the linksys wireless router w/ 4 port switch > and wireless card. Its all set up and working great, but can ayone recommend a firewall or somthing that i can use to keep people out of my network? I already tuned the Wired Equivelent Privacy up to 128 bits, is that enough?


Posted by Wiley on May 29 2002,23:05
Dummy, that IS a Firewall!!

The EtherFast® Wireless AP + Cable/DSL Router w/4-Port Switch provides the ideal solution for connecting your wireless network to a high-speed broadband Internet connection and a 10/100 Fast Ethernet backbone. Configurable as a DHCP server for your existing network, the EtherFast® Wireless AP + Cable/DSL Router w/4-Port Switch acts as the only externally recognized Internet gateway on your local area network (LAN) and serve as an Internet NAT firewall against unwanted outside intruders. The Router can also be configured to filter internal users’ access to the Internet.
Posted by DRUFER on May 29 2002,23:58
doh....thats what i get for not reading everything....thanks
Posted by CNCJake on May 30 2002,00:43
actually, you need two of those units in order to get funtionality of a firewall. What you do is, go buy a second one, then ship it to me. That will make it all good!
Posted by DRUFER on May 30 2002,01:03
im not THAT stupid
Posted by just_dave on May 30 2002,02:23
Quote (DRUFER @ 29 May 2002,08:03)
im not THAT stupid

See he know's he has to send it to me for it to be great.

dave
Posted by Beldurin on May 30 2002,04:25
Quote (Wiley @ 29 May 2002,17:05)
Dummy, that IS a Firewall!!

The EtherFast® Wireless AP + Cable/DSL Router w/4-Port Switch provides the ideal solution for connecting your wireless network to a high-speed broadband Internet connection and a 10/100 Fast Ethernet backbone. Configurable as a DHCP server for your existing network, the EtherFast® Wireless AP + Cable/DSL Router w/4-Port Switch acts as the only externally recognized Internet gateway on your local area network (LAN) and serve as an Internet NAT firewall against unwanted outside intruders. The Router can also be configured to filter internal users’ access to the Internet.

Wiley, Wiley, Wiley...I would have hoped that you of all people wouldn't fall for that.  They call it a router, but it's not really a router.  They call it a firewall, but it's not really a firewall.  It is simply a very basic NAT appliance with some other jerked-over routerish/firewall-ish features.
Posted by Wiley on May 30 2002,04:46
Well yeah, I mean you can go nuts and get a < Pix 535 >, but I would only recomend it if your pr0n collection is really really good.  Just stick to the hardware firewalls  ...don't go installing firewall software that's just going to freak out when port 138 gets tickled and requires you to unlock ten things before you can launch a telnet session  ...I hate that crap.  A home computer is just like a prison shower  ...your fine as long as you don't piss anybody off and never leave a back door open.
Posted by CNCJake on May 30 2002,06:51
I agree with Wiley, for all intensive reasons it is a firewall and a router. Beldurin is taking Cisco classes, and has been brainwashed with Cisco propaganda.

Repeat after me. "there is no router other than Cisco, there is no firewall other than Cisco, Cisco owns my body and is the ruler of the universe blah blah blah....."

Kinda like microsoft MCSE classes. I myself alternate between to firewall devices. First my "Gnat box," second my steel toe shit kickers, if i see anything weird on security logs.
Posted by Beldurin on May 30 2002,08:14
Quote (CNCJake @ 30 May 2002,00:51)
I agree with Wiley, for all intensive reasons it is a firewall and a router. Beldurin is taking Cisco classes, and has been brainwashed with Cisco propaganda.

Repeat after me. "there is no router other than Cisco, there is no firewall other than Cisco, Cisco owns my body and is the ruler of the universe blah blah blah....."

Kinda like microsoft MCSE classes. I myself alternate between to firewall devices. First my "Gnat box," second my steel toe shit kickers, if i see anything weird on security logs.

Hey now...I have not been brainwashed by Cisco.  I know other companies make routers, like...um...uh..*blank stare* what was I talking about?  :p

Anyway, I'm not saying "freak out and buy a PIX for your house, I'm just saying that people ascribe too much credit to those little b0x0rs.  They're not REAL routers not like Cisco (duh), or Nortel, or *shudder* 3Com etc.  Same w/a firewall.  BlackIce, CheckPoint, PIX, Tiny, etc. are all REAL firewalls.  The LinkSys is not.  It's generally adequate for the purposes required, but it's not actually a firewall/router.  I'm merely arguing for correctness.  That and for the sake of arguing.

Hell, I'm just running a linux box in front of my home system.
GNAT box...that's priceless!  :D
Posted by Wiley on May 30 2002,16:29
Beldurin,
How far are you going with the Cisco Certs?  And, do you have a good lab to work with? I just went as far as CCNA (basically the lowest cert you can get) but took a bunch of specialized classes like MCNS (Managing Cisco Network Security) and VPN/Remote Access Solutions that were put together by Cisco and really liked their lab projects.  I know three CCIEs, but damnit who's got that kinda time.  Cisco has some of the most compleate solutions around, so their certs are still pretty golden  ...not like 3com or Intel's certs that can't really give you access to the tools to build an end to end solution.  Even if Cisco is not the best (Foundry still makes a better faster switch) they at least give you good quality down the line.  But damn I love the PIX for a firewall  ...not just NAT, but PAT as well.  A friend of mine at   < Eeye > used to spend all kinds of time trying to break into mine.  Checkpoint woulda kept him out for about ten minutes.
Well  ....that's enough geek rambling to get me though the day.
Posted by Beldurin on May 30 2002,19:32
Quote (Wiley @ 30 May 2002,10:29)
Beldurin,
How far are you going with the Cisco Certs?  And, do you have a good lab to work with? I just went as far as CCNA (basically the lowest cert you can get) but took a bunch of specialized classes like MCNS (Managing Cisco Network Security) and VPN/Remote Access Solutions that were put together by Cisco and really liked their lab projects.  I know three CCIEs, but damnit who's got that kinda time.  Cisco has some of the most compleate solutions around, so their certs are still pretty golden  ...not like 3com or Intel's certs that can't really give you access to the tools to build an end to end solution.  Even if Cisco is not the best (Foundry still makes a better faster switch) they at least give you good quality down the line.  But damn I love the PIX for a firewall  ...not just NAT, but PAT as well.  A friend of mine at   < Eeye > used to spend all kinds of time trying to break into mine.  Checkpoint woulda kept him out for about ten minutes.
Well  ....that's enough geek rambling to get me though the day.

Probably taking the CCNA and CCDA next month.  Starting semester 1 of the CCNP curriculum next month also.  I doubt that I'll get anything higher than the CCNP if I even go that far...I have no desire to be an IE.

As for facilities, my graduate program is the CATC (Cisco Area Training Academy) for the state of Indiana.  In other words, we train all of the people that teach Cisco in the region.  I have access to all the cool shiznit.  Plus, as the manager of the network integration lab, I get access to all of the even cooler geek toys.   (i.e. Cisco 7506, 5000, Sun Solaris 220Rs, Netra T1s and X1s, gig switches, etc.).  :D
Posted by CNCJake on May 30 2002,20:37
Dude! Wiley, you have a freind at eeye? They make the retina and iris software right? Very good software, way expensive though. If you have some connections hook me up. Beldurin, i dont know if you thought i was joking about the "Gnat Box," but its pretty cool. check it out < here. >
Posted by Beldurin on May 30 2002,21:36
Quote (CNCJake @ 30 May 2002,14:37)
Beldurin, i dont know if you thought i was joking about the "Gnat Box," but its pretty cool. check it out < here. >

Ahhh...I thought it was a linux play on words.  Like how they put the gn from gnu in place of n like in gnome, and iagno, etc (can't think of good examples right now), so you just called your linux NAT box a GNAT box.  I thought it was a funny play on words.  Doesn't seem quite so cool now, somehow.
Posted by Wiley on May 30 2002,21:53
Quote (CNCJake @ 30 May 2002,12:37)
Dude! Wiley, you have a freind at eeye? They make the retina and iris software right? Very good software, way expensive though.

Yes, I knew the guys there before Eeye even existed  ....when it was just the bastard child of eCompany.  I once hacked into Marc's (the head hacker) home computer  ...that was the crowning achievment in my hacking career.  Then he proceeded to 0wn my ass which wasn't too fun.
Three of my friends just got jobs there.  I could probably hook you up with a job there easier then I could get you a copy of Retina.  You can get a copy of one of the betas by passing my  < Hacker Test > though  :D
Posted by just_dave on May 30 2002,22:18
Quote (Beldurin @ 30 May 2002,02:32)
Quote (Wiley @ 30 May 2002,10:29)
Beldurin,
How far are you going with the Cisco Certs?  And, do you have a good lab to work with? I just went as far as CCNA (basically the lowest cert you can get) but took a bunch of specialized classes like MCNS (Managing Cisco Network Security) and VPN/Remote Access Solutions that were put together by Cisco and really liked their lab projects.  I know three CCIEs, but damnit who's got that kinda time.  Cisco has some of the most compleate solutions around, so their certs are still pretty golden  ...not like 3com or Intel's certs that can't really give you access to the tools to build an end to end solution.  Even if Cisco is not the best (Foundry still makes a better faster switch) they at least give you good quality down the line.  But damn I love the PIX for a firewall  ...not just NAT, but PAT as well.  A friend of mine at   < Eeye > used to spend all kinds of time trying to break into mine.  Checkpoint woulda kept him out for about ten minutes.
Well  ....that's enough geek rambling to get me though the day.

Probably taking the CCNA and CCDA next month.  Starting semester 1 of the CCNP curriculum next month also.  I doubt that I'll get anything higher than the CCNP if I even go that far...I have no desire to be an IE.

As for facilities, my graduate program is the CATC (Cisco Area Training Academy) for the state of Indiana.  In other words, we train all of the people that teach Cisco in the region.  I have access to all the cool shiznit.  Plus, as the manager of the network integration lab, I get access to all of the even cooler geek toys.   (i.e. Cisco 7506, 5000, Sun Solaris 220Rs, Netra T1s and X1s, gig switches, etc.).  :D

I am in semester three of Cisco,  for the CCNA.  I am loving it.  We have a nice lab but nothing like you get to play with Beld.  Must be nice lol.  But anyways, I am thinking about going a step further.  I figured while I am bored I would get an A+ and N+  just for the letters (lol)  don't know if I want MSCE or not.  Still debating that sucker.   But anyways... just figured I would geek chat once today lol.....

dave
Posted by Wiley on May 30 2002,23:19
MCSE has helped me a bunch with getting jobs and it's easy to get, I would recommend it for anybody.  A+ and N+ are never taken seriously, they are worth taking just for the hell of it but nobody got a job because they were A+ certified.
Most interesting comment from an IT director once was "ahh ...CCNA  ...unfortunately we don't use Novell here, we're a straight TCP/IP shop.  Do you have any experience with TCP/IP?" I don't know what he was directing  ...didn't have the heart to tell him Cisco was not just the city by the bay.
Posted by DRUFER on May 31 2002,01:26
Quote (CNCJake @ 29 May 2002,22:51)
Repeat after me. "there is no router other than Cisco, there is no firewall other than Cisco, Cisco owns my body and is the ruler of the universe blah blah blah....."

I think thats why i got confused....im halfway done with my CCNA and i havent had much exposure to anything else network-wise. What i gotta do is figure out what i wanna do in collage after i earn the certificate.
Posted by Wiley on May 31 2002,05:12
Quote (DRUFER @ 30 May 2002,17:26)
What i gotta do is figure out what i wanna do in collage after i earn the certificate.

I like to take a bunch of pictures and glue them onto a posterboard.  Something that expresses a youth of today attitude.  Then I add some glitter.  It makes one hell of a collage.
Posted by CNCJake on May 31 2002,12:32
HAHAHA! Wiley is my new hero two post in a row that had be laughing my ass off! thanks.
Posted by DRUFER on May 31 2002,22:23
Quote (Wiley @ 30 May 2002,21:12)
Quote (DRUFER @ 30 May 2002,17:26)
What i gotta do is figure out what i wanna do in collage after i earn the certificate.

I like to take a bunch of pictures and glue them onto a posterboard.  Something that expresses a youth of today attitude.  Then I add some glitter.  It makes one hell of a collage.

You win. You got me twice in one thread. :(
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