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Topic: I turned on my computer...
started by: MattimeoZ80

Posted by kornalldaway on Sep. 16 2001,19:39

every bios has a setting where you can choose the disks to boot from and their order. most bioses have a simple option such as "A,C,SCSI". that being the boot sequence.

Posted by cr0bar on Sep. 16 2001,19:48

It did find a boot sector. It didn't find the NT loader.

Posted by MattimeoZ80 on Sep. 16 2001,20:15

but uh, it worked when i took the floppy out. and yes i know about the boot order, i have my first device as the floppy, second as the cdrom, and third as the raid card. i'm just trying to figure out why it wouldn't skip over the floppy considering it was a completely blank non-system floppy.

Posted by jrh1406 on Sep. 16 2001,20:37

Alot of computers will try to boot off a floppy if there is one present in the drive, wether it's bootable or not, mine says non-systems disk detected please remove disk and reboot, or some such shit. I usually turn off floppy booting unless i need it.

Posted by MattimeoZ80 on Sep. 17 2001,05:43

...and it said NTLOADR failed. And I thought "hey, the nt loader is screwed up." So I put the Win2k CD in. Then I thought "hey, that message was too simple to be Microsoft." So I took out the floppy and rebooted. And I stand before you today a complete idiot. Aren't bioses supposed to skip over a disk and go to the next drive in the boot order if they dont find a boot record?

Posted by Beldurin on Sep. 17 2001,12:47

Most computers are smart enough to skip over a CDROM if there's a non-bootable disk inside, but I have yet to find one (knock on Rhydant's empty wooden head) that will skip over a floppy disk when one is inserted.

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Posted by MattimeoZ80 on Sep. 17 2001,14:27

its just the "NTLOADR Failed, press any key to reboot" is a bit harder to understand than "Non-bootable floppy, replace and press any key"

Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Sep. 17 2001,18:40

"ahh i'm thirsty i think i'll have a tab. huh? no time for that now the computers starting!"

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Posted by kornalldaway on Sep. 17 2001,19:29

see, the partition itself is still bottable that is why it's not giving you that error. it's just that one file is missing
u r best off reinstalling OS

Posted by ASCIIMan on Sep. 17 2001,19:55

quote:
Originally posted by kornalldaway:
see, the partition itself is still bottable that is why it's not giving you that error. it's just that one file is missing
u r best off reinstalling OS

You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

He formatted a floppy in Windows 2000, Windows 2000 puts it's own boot sector on the floppy when you format it, he leaves the floppy in the drive, reboots, computer sees Windows 2000 boot sector on the floppy, boots from Windows 2000 boot sector, Windows 2000 boot code tried to find NTLOADR (Windows 2000 boot loader), cannot find it, and thus prints "NTLOADR failed".

This message has been edited by ASCIIMan on September 18, 2001 at 02:55 PM

Posted by kornalldaway on Sep. 17 2001,21:09

quote:
Originally posted by ASCIIMan:
You don't know what you're talking about, do you?
He formatted a floppy in Windows 2000, Windows 2000 puts it's own boot sector on the floppy when you format it, he leaves the floppy in the drive, reboots, computer sees Windows 2000 boot sector on the floppy, boots from Windows 2000 boot sector, Windows 2000 boot code tried to find NTLOADR (Windows 2000 boot loader), cannot find it, and thus prints "NTLOADR failed".

u: "...Windows 2000 puts it's own boot sector..."
me: "...the partition itself is still bottable..."
u: "...Windows 2000 boot code tried to find NTLOADR (Windows 2000 boot loader), cannot find it, and thus prints "NTLOADR failed.."
me: "it's just that one file is missing"

it's same fuckin thing. all i said was for him too reinstall the OS. i didn't know that he got that error while booting from floppy (and i still don't know if that's the case). i though the error came when he tried to boot the system usually since the title said "I turn on my computer" and then "...and it said NTLOADR failed". how the fuck was i supposed to know he was booting from the floppy from that information.

if i don't know what i'm talkin about, well neither do you bacuse you told him the same fucking thing.

seems very simmilar to this hypothetical situation:
a: "How about we go to the movies?"
b: "That is a dumb fucken idea and you are a moron! I say we go to the movies!"

Posted by ASCIIMan on Sep. 17 2001,21:37

quote:
Originally posted by kornalldaway:
i didn't know that he got that error while booting from floppy (and i still don't know if that's the case). [...] how the fuck was i supposed to know he was booting from the floppy [...]

Maybe it'll be clearer if you actually READ the rest of the posts in this thread.

ex:

quote:
Originally posted by MattimeoZ80:
So I took out the floppy and rebooted.

quote:
Originally posted by MattimeoZ80:
it worked when i took the floppy out.

quote:
Originally posted by MattimeoZ80:
its just the "NTLOADR Failed, press any key to reboot" is a bit harder to understand than "Non-bootable floppy, replace and press any key"

Oh yeah, and:

quote:
Originally posted by jrh1406:
floppy

quote:
Originally posted by Beldurin:
floppy disk

Sorry, I'm just sick and tired of NTidiots suggesting "reinstall" when there's an obvious, much simpler, and much easier way to fix things.

This message has been edited by ASCIIMan on September 18, 2001 at 04:50 PM

Posted by Observer on Sep. 17 2001,21:59

And even if you got the error message booting from the hard drive, you could just repair the installation from the console instead of reinstalling the whole thing.

edit: That usually works for NT as well as long as you're a good user and keep a good ERD.

Also, in my experience, most machines I've worked with will skip a non-bootable CD but hang with the "Non-system disk" on a non-bootable floppy.

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This message has been edited by Observer on September 18, 2001 at 05:01 PM

Posted by ASCIIMan on Sep. 17 2001,22:53

quote:
Originally posted by Observer:
And even if you got the error message booting from the hard drive, you could just repair the installation from the console instead of reinstalling the whole thing.

Exactly. Once I accidently installed the wrong kernel (trying to switch single->dual processor kernel) forgot one file change and fscked my system into not getting past the NTLOADR loading screen. System couldn't even bluescreen. Went into console mode (booting off cd b/c I couldn't boot NT on my hard drive anymore) and fixed it. I suspect most NT/2k users would have said "reinstall", but it was hardly necessary. 30 minutes later I was back up and running.

Posted by MattimeoZ80 on Sep. 18 2001,01:05

ah so. hm, i guess the moral is don't use win2k to format if you're going to leave the disk in the drive and are going to get thrown off by that oh so lovely and yet not bios error.

tell me more about this console. i've been too lazy to look it up, but i've heard it all over.

Posted by Nikita on Sep. 18 2001,05:44

*ditz mode*
"Where's the any key?"

Posted by Nikita on Sep. 18 2001,15:38

So, how did you turn on your computer? Did you push all the right buttons? Were you patient and gave her time to warm up?

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Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Sep. 18 2001,16:57

Ack! This is NOT a BIOS error. The boot sector on ALL formatted floppies (indeed, *all* bootable media except CD-ROM) contains a very small (512 byte) program that the BIOS reads and executes when the computer stars up. If formatted under DOS / 9x, the boot sector program looks for IO.SYS and prints

Non-system disk or disk error
Replace and strike any key when ready...

if it can't find it. Under NT / 2K, it looks for NTLDR and complains if it can't find that.

But in all cases, the BOOT SECTOR PROGRAM does this!!! NOT THE BIOS!!!

Posted by MattimeoZ80 on Sep. 19 2001,05:34

so... you can't format a floppy without a boot sector. and yeah, i turn my computer on, and she gets real hot. the room temperature goes up several degrees and i normally have to crack a window or we'll both overheat.

I don't feel like extending this metaphor any further.