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started by: PersonGuy

Posted by PersonGuy on Apr. 04 2001,08:30

I FINALLY BOUGHT A CD BURNER (again)!!!

Anyway, first I burned a copy of a rare Japanese CD. Then I burned POoR NOtation - LUDE CONDUCTor (Demo V53.13E-1).

Anyway, they both have little skips, pops, jumps ALL OVER! Like at least 1 every 2 minutes, but sometimes there's a patch of 5 or 6 small ones.

WAZZUP WIT DAT!?!?

Do I need to record at a slower speed than 8X? Any specific options that can help this? Do I need to kick myself in the nuts (once I can figure out how to do it while balancing on my other leg)?

SPECS: HP CD-RW Plus and it's like 32-8-4 (or something like that), and I'm using Adaptec DirectCD. My machine is 550MHz, 64MB RAM, Win98, and my other drive is 8XDVD. The discs are Imation CD-R 74min 1x-8x.

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Posted by PersonGuy on Apr. 04 2001,10:52

FUCK! Now my DVD player doesn't work right either! It only reads the first half of the movie, and then has an illegal operation if I watch (or select a scene) past that! Sometimes of my DVDs resets my puter! One of my DVDs makes cows in tutues dance across the screen!!! Oh wait... that's just my Dancing Cows(tm) DVD... I guess it works fine cause it's only 20 minutes long...

ANY help!?

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Posted by askheaves on Apr. 04 2001,21:16

Well, for starters, you're really only supposed to burn audio at around 2x or 1x. Don't know why, but that seems to be the rule of thumb I've heard... especially with 64 Meg of RAM, and Win98.

Get Win2K... or WinXP. Millions of times more stable, and life will be easier.

Posted by MattimeoZ80 on Apr. 04 2001,22:43

it might be a gay motherboard problem... i suppose you have them both on the same ide channel. are the modes set correctly in the bios and windows, ie udma and stuff? not sure if it needs it, but is the master/slave jumpers (if there are any) configured correctly? besides that, get more ram and get a new motherboard.

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Posted by cr0bar on Apr. 04 2001,22:50

PersonGuy, I had the same problems with my CD-R/DVD combo, even though the CD-R was the only device on its SCSI chain. The problem turned out to be with power. Make sure you're not daisy-chaining a whole bunch of fans and drives before you get to the CD-R. Try to make it so that they're not sharing a power cable at all, if possible.

Posted by PersonGuy on Apr. 04 2001,23:46

burn at 2X - will try

win2k - not for me, sorry

ide and jumpers - all good and fine already

scsi chain - mines internal... is this still a factor? And I'm down to my last power cord... should I just switch with the floppy drive?

Oh, and I contacted HP tech support. They said to screw with the DMA settings in Device Manager. I tried all 4 combos ( ON ON / OFF OFF / ON OFF / OFF ON ) for the 2 drives but it didn't seem to help this (although it DID fix a DIFFERENT bug! )

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Posted by Observer on Apr. 05 2001,01:11

Try updating your version of ASPI from Adaptec's website. I've heard that fixes quite a few burning problems.

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Posted by damage on Apr. 05 2001,01:58

I've never known anyone that had really good luck burning above 2x. Especially audio CD's. But look at the bright side. Now you have some kinda cool coasters.

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Posted by aventari on Apr. 05 2001,03:53

My best advice to you would be to ditch DirectCD ASAP. That is so shitty software right there. You don't need to be able to drag and drop burn in explorer. Thats just asking for trouble.

Get rid of that and use EasyCD Creator by itself, or get Nero or CDRWIN.

After that, make sure both of your drives have DMA turned ON. right click on 'My Computer', goto 'Properties', 'Device Manager', and double click on your CDROM drives. make sure the DMA check box is enables on both.

[Interesting side note: my HP 9110i Burner worked fine for a year w/ DMA on, but the past 6 mos it's been screwing up all burns except audioCD.. I called tech support, and they suggested turning DMA off on BOTH drives, and it actually WORKED. of course accesses are slow as hell, but at least burning works again..]

Also before you start a burn make sure all other programs aren't running, and ctrl-alt-del and turn everything off except of Explorer and Systray. Then start your burning software and you wont have to worry about other stupid little programs stealing resources.

I dont know where you guys heard that audio is harder to burn, thats the type of CD that worked the most consistantly for me. I'm not saying your wrong, just relating my expereince I've never had to go under 8x to burn it, and i've burned probably 50-60 audio cds. data on the other hand....

for more than you ever wanted to know about burning: < http://www.cdrinfo.com/ >

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Posted by damage on Apr. 05 2001,04:04

Whenever I burn audio at higher than 2x I get glitches between tracks. Could also be the software I'm using but I don't really give a shit. I just set it for 2x and start it before I go to sleep.

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Posted by cr0bar on Apr. 05 2001,06:49

damage: You must have a shitty CD-R. I burn everything at 6x and have never had a problem. For the record, any CD-R faster than 2x on the IDE bus is 'shitty'.

PersonGuy: My DVD-ROM did the exact same thing when it was a power problem, so that's all I can suggest to you. It's safe to hook the drives to a totally different power supply for testing. (While the rest of the machine uses the usual power supply).

Posted by Blain on Apr. 05 2001,08:13

Is it too late to return it and get a different one? I finally broke down and got a Plextor Plexwriter 12X and I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER. I went from a drive that *literally* made well over 80 coasters (in a row) before I scrapped it, to a drive that has yet to fuck up.

Just a suggestion.

Posted by jim on Apr. 05 2001,14:02

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
Do I need to kick myself in the nuts (once I can figure out how to do it while balancing on my other leg)?

YES That's exactly what you need to do to fix it. Be sure to take pictures, and video/audio if possible...

I don't know what problems you guys are having, or why... But I use an HP, and I burn everything at 10x, and have NEVER (knocks on wood) made a coaster. My drive is internal IDE, it's a secondary master with no slave. My DVD drive is the primary master with no slave. All my HDs are on my RAID controller. Always turn DMA on, Windows will shut if off it's a problem. I never close down my VirusScan to burn CDs. I use Roxio's CD Creator (formerly Adaptec, which by the way is the built in Burning engine in XP)... Good luck to you guys. Not sure why you all can't burn CDs.

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Posted by solid on Apr. 05 2001,14:50

Ha.. you think you're the one with problems! Well ok so you are.

But I have to burn at 4x not 8x with a 800mhz 128mb ram!! It's so stupid! Both audio and data.
Anyhow lower speeds should help.
Also try using some hi-fi cd-r's. Of course those cost more so.. well I always use Gigastorage, Sony, and Maxell brands.
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Edit: Bah Im a fool, your problems are over with. Nvm.

This message has been edited by solid on April 06, 2001 at 12:29 PM

Posted by PersonGuy on Apr. 05 2001,17:14

K, I'm to give all this stuff a try as soon as Love Line is over... but now my DVD drive is a BIGGER issue (kind of).

I tried unhooking my CD-RW and unistalling the components, and my DVD stopped working completely!!! The I hooked it all back up again, and it STILL only reads the first half of the disc!

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Posted by PersonGuy on Apr. 05 2001,18:06

Oops, I forgot one thing... I do a hard drive copy first, so it probably isn't DMA, right?

And I JUST realized that my ORIGINAL CD (that I'm copying FROM) has all the small pops, EVEN IF I PLAY IT IN MY DISCMAN! STUPID ME! But at least the BIG skips are gone, so I guess the problem is solved!

Thanks guys!

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on April 06, 2001 at 01:11 PM

Posted by jim on Apr. 05 2001,18:23

Oh... I didn't pick up on the fact that you were talking about copying audio tracks from a CD to CDR... In that case. Rip your CD to MP3 digitally and then burn it to CDR.

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Posted by ASCIIMan on Apr. 05 2001,20:38

Dammit! If you're just going to put the music right back on a CDR, then rip to uncompressed wav. Don't make a "perfect digital copy" lossy. That just sucks, especially if you give the resulting CDR to someone else and they rip it to MP3. Two passes of lossy compression == bad.

Posted by jim on Apr. 05 2001,22:22

I've ripped my entire CD collection to MP3...

Now about once a week I create a CD of all my favorite songs for that week. I then label it with the date and then play it till I create a new one, then I file the old CD away.

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Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Apr. 06 2001,04:27

I have a plextor scsi and an hp ide and have never had a problem with either of them. The plextor is the second drive in the chain is is the only thing on the secondary powersupply. The Hp is slaved to a toshiba dvd player. I burn everything at 12x in the plextor and 8x in the hp. One of my friends had a 50/50 rate with DirectCD/Easy Cd Creator. I gave him nero and he hasnt had problems since. The only reason I have 2(actually 3, I also have an old Acer 2x that was the first cdrw I bought.) is if Im gonna burn something and I need to work on one of the machines I burn it on the opposite one.

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Posted by PersonGuy on Apr. 06 2001,05:50

AHA! DVD is working now! There was some lingering dlls from NovaStore, which is a program that I installed a LONG time ago when I was using my old SUPER CRAPPY CD-RW drive. I just had to reinstall it, and then unistall it, and then re install Adaptec. Works perfect now!

Now the CDs on the other hand... I just tried burning at 2X. The first few tracks are PERFECT! But some of them sound like fucking vinyl!! So I'm buying into the power supply thing... I've got a spare I can hook it up to, hopefully that helps... but I don't want to drag THAT out every time I need to burn! Hrm...

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