WinME sucks complete ass. My store doesn't install it on systems anymore, because we got thoroughly sick of providing tech support for it - pretty much EVERYONE that bought a system with WinME on it had some sort of weird problem. "Copy & paste don't work" is one of the lesser problems I've heard of.

Whistler, on the other hand, kicks ass. I can't wait for the real release. In the meantime I'll have to resign myself to running the beta at work :

*fapfapfap*

edit : for some reason System Properties says "Windows 2000," but everywhere else it calls itslef Codename : Whistler. I'll try and grab a screenshot of the new Start menu... *fapfapfap*...

This message has been edited by damien_s_lucifer on February 03, 2001 at 07:56 PM

The sexiest thing about it is that interface. The screenshot is nice there The rest is pretty nice too. Special Bonus: The User Interface is skin-based. So, what you see there is just one skin. I'm not sure how extensive the skin thing goes, but I know it extends to the buttons, controls, windows, taskbar, and other such things. I have a sneaking suspicion that MS is licensing the code from DesktopX and integrating it. To me, it seems like a slap in the face to KDE/Gnome... whatever Lunix has that allows different UI skins.

The other neat thing is that it has some compatibility support for the Win9X line. It's sort of a special mode right now, but it may be integrated a bit later.

WinME was a big ol' QA mistake. I installed it on my system, and everytime the EnergyStar monitor turn-off function kicked in, the system wouldn't come back from it. It has a myriad of other problems too, but I gave that system the boot before I encountered most of them.

Just get yourself Win2K, or do a dualboot with Win98SE and Win2K. That's the best of both worlds right there.

If it works well i'll be pleased to have it as a feature, but i am somewhat worried about how rubbish this is going to make old programs look..

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"i like to skate on the other side of the ice"
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please feel free to ignore anything i happen to incoherently utter, because, yes, i am a pompus ass.

I would pass out the Login and Password, but if I did anyone and everyone would be able to change my info, my password, and eventually I'd probably loose my access. That would be a bad thing!

[edit] ps: Here is the log on page: < http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/resources/subdwnld.asp >

I'm sure if you search long enough, someone has already posted thier username and password to this site.

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jim
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syf0n
< Bastardize.net >

Customer Support Diagnostics
Driver Development Kit
Language Pack

..none of which I will ever use, coincidentally. The other two I seem to have lost. I think they were more driver stuff. Maybe one of them had a bunch of Los Alamos Nuclear secrets.

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This message has been edited by syf0n on February 05, 2001 at 01:05 PM

next time, try posting something that doesn't appear on techtv.

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost

I don't think Whistler is WinME with a Win2K kernel - WinME is the Win9x codebase made to look more like Win2K in preparation for the move to using Win2K as a consumer OS.

And the Whistler interface kicks WinME's ass - the new start menu - the new login screen - multiple log-on sessions - plus better multimedia latencies - *fapfapfapfap*.

I haven't tested Whistler on my multimedia-laden system yet, so I don't know if it will fix the problems I have with 2K. 2K works so beautifully it makes me cry - EXCEPT with Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 and a few associated tools. Multitracked audio has a horrible lag, some of my DirectX plugins don't work, and Retro AS-1 completely flips out, reporting -2189789866\% CPU usage and other oddities, including the fact it doesn't do anything but squeal.

So for now I'm still stuck with dual-booting 98/2K and stuck with FAT32.

Goddamn, I want to use NTFS!!!!

I have my copies because of my MSDN Universal Subscription. It should be around enough that if you ask that one guy who seems to always be in the know, he probably has a copy.

And, you are mostly accurate on the WinME thing. It really is basically a continuation of the Win2K development (or, more accurately, a branch). It's the NT Kernel, with some of the UI design concepts brought from WinME. There are some compatibility modes built in for running things that don't seem to run under NT. I think that stuff was supposed to be in Win2K, but it wasn't ready for the show at release time. It's mostly an extension, and not built directly in.

Whistler is a REVISION of Windows 2000, not a new OS. It's a new OS as far as marketing, I'm sure.

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From Win Informant.com:
To the Microsoft training department, Whistler and Windows 2000 are in the same product family, and thus the exams are identical, as far as their credentials are concerned. If you begin training for Windows 2000, and wish to substitute Whistler exams for some of your qualifications, you may do so.

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You can read the full article < here >

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jim
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thank you, captain obvious for your insightful post.

next time, try posting something that doesn't appear on techtv.

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Are you talking to me?

For someone who doesn't know much about anything except for sucking dicks, you sure find a lot of time to run your mouth.

I'll have you know that my "Tech TV" watching brings me home ๞,000 a year, + my stock options I get every year, + my \% of the VCP (Variable Compensation Plan [Big word of Bonus])....

What do you make again? Where exactly do you work? Micky D's??

Thought show. Put the dick down and shut your mouth.

I'd be willing to bet I paid more in Federal Taxes this year than you had taxable income.... Care to take me up on that one?

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jim
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This message has been edited by jim on February 06, 2001 at 07:07 AM

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Not going to school so I can just say I'm good. I've been proving it!

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Well, I went to school, and I'm about 8 months out now. I immediately started a job I love after graduation, a salary I'm happy with for entering the work world. I guarantee you that in 8 years (or maybe even 4), I'll still be happy with my job at the time, my salary, and where in the world I live. I didn't go to school to be able to say I'm good. I went to school to become good.

I have to imagine Kuru is the same way. Funny thing happens while in school. You tend to learn things that you don't by having a job requiring you to surf the web. Your ๞K salary + benefits tells me you're overpaid... not necessarily overqualified.

Have a nice day

and as far as how i don't know shit, jim, anytime you want to rag on college and how easy and stupid it is, try it for a while.

let's see YOU go through four years of engineering school and see how well you do.

unlike someone who sits around bragging that he gets paid ๞K to sit and surf the web, i went to college because i was good, i was smart, and i wanted to be *better*.

i guess it is easy to pay more in federal taxes than someone who's going to school full time and still working 20 hours a week. you know, considering that you don't pay tuition.

face it jim, you haven't said *shit* here that wasn't on tech tv or isn't in the msdn i get for free just because i'm in college.

you can rag shit all you want jim, but i guarantee you can't find examples of me talkin any kinda leet speak.

so next time you think show (sic), you just go ahead and take on an engineering degree.

it sure as fuck ain't no multiple choice test.

and thanks, heaves.

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost

Deep down I think kuru is a guy pretending to be a chick for attension. If you read through enough of her posts you'll see where I'm coming from.

Anyway heeves. I can understand you sticking up for kuru since she's your 'girl'friend and all. But the fact is I'm good at what I do. I didn't need to go to school to have someone teach me, I was smart enough to learn everything on my own. I have that analytical mindset I guess. And the reason I get to spend all day surfing the net IS because I'm that good at my job. Tasks/problems that may take one person hours to solve take me minutes to seconds to solve because it just REALLY comes naturally to me!

If you have a website... Oh let's < www.travelocity.com > (since I'm in charge of that one) And the site goes down for 2 hours and you loose ๥,000. Would you say that it's worth ๞k + benefits for me to sit around on my ass all day JUST IN CASE IT WENT DOWN??? I think so. Now add in getthere.com, sabre.com, virtualythere.com, and the 3,000 other webs Sabre hosts. Including some really huge ones I can't talk about. Normally I would just say them, but I think there are some people here that hate me enough to get me fired if I disclosed them.

If any of our servers go down, the clock is ticking and money is being lost at a tremendous rate. You say I'm over-paid, when in FACT I'm under-paid!

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jim
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This message has been edited by jim on February 07, 2001 at 06:37 AM

Keep in mind, I'm really quite non-leet and am shooting in the dark.

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When my flying days are over, and my death has come to pass
I hope they bury me upside down, so the whole damn world can kiss my ass

So the same can't be said about me.

I just happen to be that good at computers/networking/databases/ and a lot of other technical stuff.

And I don't have to
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Point is... I don't have to ACT like kuru does. I've been actually working professionally as a techie for almost 8 years now!

Not going to school so I can just say I'm good. I've been proving it!

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jim
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This message has been edited by jim on February 06, 2001 at 12:13 PM

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and as far as how i don't know shit, jim, anytime you want to rag on college and how easy and stupid it is, try it for a while.

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let's see YOU go through four years of engineering school and see how well you do.

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unlike someone who sits around bragging that he gets paid ๞K to sit and surf the web, i went to college because i was good, i was smart, and i wanted to be *better*.

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i guess it is easy to pay more in federal taxes than someone who's going to school full time and still working 20 hours a week. you know, considering that you don't pay tuition.

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face it jim, you haven't said *shit* here that wasn't on tech tv or isn't in the msdn i get for free just because i'm in college.

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Originally posted by kuru:
so next time you think show (sic),[<-What the fuck is that?] you just go ahead and take on an engineering degree.

it sure as fuck ain't no multiple choice test.

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This message has been edited by jim on February 07, 2001 at 07:08 AM

but as usual, you're just an inflammatory idiot.

you're not where 'most people want to be', and you're sure as hell not where *i* want to be.

yes, it's possible to learn how to write html and watch a bunch of server lights by reading books you can get for free at the pubilc library. it's also way to banal for my tastes.

aside to willypete: no, i wouldn't do that to a kid. a kid is supposed to learn, sometime in elementary school, that the sun is a star. jim, for all his bragging, should fucking know better than to think he's done somethin on the order of discovering a new planet by posting something in a GEEK FORUM that most geeks would already know.

back to jim: you know how to *use* technology. i'll give you that much credit, because you have earned that. but you don't know how to *make* technology. so before you shit on me, remember you wouldn't have any servers to watch or computers to program on if someone like ME wasn't out there designing those fuckers. k?

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jim said:

Who wouldn't brag about a job like this?

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i also don't 'have' to sit in a classroom, i chose to. so i could be more than an html monkey and a blinking light jockey.

no, i didn't learn about the win2k and whistler test being the same test in college. i just knew, duh, that whistler is the codename for a win2k revision so it stands to fucking REASON that the test would be the same.

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I don't have time to study or search for the answer. I have to fix the problem in minutes or seconds or be fired!!

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if you were half as good as you say you are, you wouldn't be fired in a matter of seconds.

running your mouth off about college is pretty damn stupid, jim. you wouldn't know how hard or easy it is, because you've never been there.

unlike that 'real world' that i've been in since i was 17. being in college doesn't mean you're not in the 'real world'. last i checked, i don't get a freebie from having a job, paying rent, or dealing with bills just because i chose to go to college to improve on the good mind i already had. if you wanna get stuck on this 'college isn't the real world' thing, well, you need to remember that even for a full time college student, it's not everything. some of us just include college IN the real world we live in.

as for me being 'some guy' who's pretending to be a chick, well, keep your sexual hangups to yourself, kthnx.

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost

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you're not where 'most people want to be', and you're sure as hell not where *i* want to be.

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yes, it's possible to learn how to write html and watch a bunch of server lights by reading books you can get for free at the pubilc library. it's also way to banal for my tastes.

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aside to willypete: no, i wouldn't do that to a kid. a kid is supposed to learn, sometime in elementary school, that the sun is a star. jim, for all his bragging, should fucking know better than to think he's done somethin on the order of discovering a new planet by posting something in a GEEK FORUM that most geeks would already know.[b]

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Originally posted by kuru:
[B]back to jim: you know how to *use* technology. i'll give you that much credit, because you have earned that. but you don't know how to *make* technology. so before you shit on me, remember you wouldn't have any servers to watch or computers to program on if someone like ME wasn't out there designing those fuckers. k?

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if you were half as good as you say you are, you wouldn't be fired in a matter of seconds.

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running your mouth off about college is pretty damn stupid, jim. you wouldn't know how hard or easy it is, because you've never been there.

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Originally posted by kuru:
unlike that 'real world' that i've been in since i was 17. being in college doesn't mean you're not in the 'real world'. last i checked, i don't get a freebie from having a job, paying rent, or dealing with bills just because i chose to go to college to improve on the good mind i already had. if you wanna get stuck on this 'college isn't the real world' thing, well, you need to remember that even for a full time college student, it's not everything. some of us just include college IN the real world we live in.

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One that's not minimum wage hourly that involes a uniform and saying "Can I take your order please."

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jim
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder
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We're both in technology, and we both have interests in different ends of it. You enjoy supporting systems, I enjoy creating them... in fact, I hate networking with a passion and would rather not learn too much about it if I can avoid it. My college degree and the internships I held during that time taught me so much about system development, and I enjoy it.

If you want to play the analytic skills pissing contest, try this on for size:
Build a device that takes vehicle emission measurements as a car drives by it at 50mph. Not only that, but actually build two completely different hardware setups, both running the same software. The system must have a modular software design, run on a realtime operating system that you've never seen before until recently, must calculate the gases coming out of the back of the car from tombs of data coming from the sensors, correlate it with speed and acceleration measurements, store one or more pictures of the back of the car with the record. Each record must be stored on the system until it can be offloaded and sent to a central facility (this building) so that the data can be processed, validated, archived and delivered to the customers in the format they desire. Then, take into account that there will be enough of these systems (anywhere in the world, mind you) that millions of these records are showing up in this building each day.

Keep in mind that I'm the only software person working on this until our second guy starts in March. The software has to be designed so that every record is kept secure, the device can't be hacked into, and servicing is put to a minimum, etc. Anything beyond that is proprietary and I can't disclose or else we have patent problems.

I may not have flashy skills that can be demonstrated at a moment's notice, but I'm a damn good engineer... and that's what I want to be. You can't just jump into a position like that. One of the purposes of engineers like us is to make things as easy as possible for the techies that have to support the stuff we create. Our goal is to make your position worthless. It may not happen, obviously, but it's what we strive for. And, for the record, I get paid significantly less than you... probably underpaid.

I worked from circritry engineer, down to PC/LAN support, up to Natural ADABAS Programmer, back down to PC/LAN support, to Network Engineering/Administration (Involving programming routers, running cable... Basically designing a physical network, but then implementing it as well, then setting up the software network, and administering it.), Then on to Web Developer, which got me interested in Databases, so I pursued my MCDBA, then I got back into Web Development/Network Engineering and I was the DBA....

Finally I decided a few things:

1) I don't like dealing with customers
2) I don't like to program FULL TIME!!!!
3) Web Development is no fun strickly because of Marketing people, which is why I only do it as a hobby now.
4) Some Network Engineering is fun, but not fun enough to do it as a focused 8-5 job.
5) Database Designing is extremely fun, but not enough work to keep me happy.
AND
6) I love the internet.

So what kind of job kind I get that allows me to Design Databases, Design their structures, triggers, and all the engineering involved with clustering, data warehousing and stuff like that, still be involved in the internet, NOT developing websites, still have plenty of hardware at my fingertips, make lots of money, work my own schedule, etc, etc, etc.....

That's exactly what I have now.

I design database solutions for people, I implement IIS servers (which is extremley difficult, it's not just load the Option Pack and let it fly), I have to do tons of computations based on number of users and estimating band width, recommending hardware, knowing hardware inside and out, permissions, security, routers, proxies, reverse-proxies, DNS, physical network media, TCP/IP like a MOTHER FUCKER (I can now do binary subnet calculations in my head )

I probably couldn't do what you do heeves. Nor would I want to. I have the perfect job... FOR ME!!! At least until they try and force me into management. That's when I'm retiring and I'm opening my bar.

At that time, I'd love to get drunk with you!
On the house!

Also, if you met me in person you'd think much differently of me. I'm the type of person that everyone gets along with. I have about 6-7 groups of friends from stoners - snobbs - to old business men.
This is my venting arena, like it not. No holds barred, I come here to bitch! It's part of my stress management theropy.

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jim
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder
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This message has been edited by jim on February 07, 2001 at 09:45 AM

something here stinks like hypocrisy.

not to discredit you heaves, just tired of bein completely slammed like i'm a moron.

course, if you met me you'd probably think different about me too.

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost

This message has been edited by kuru on February 07, 2001 at 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by kuru:
face it [kuru], you haven't said *shit* here that wasn't on tech tv or isn't in the msdn i get for free just because i'm in college.

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All though you do seem to have an extensive knowledge about sex.

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This message has been edited by jim on February 07, 2001 at 10:33 AM

i can admit that you're good at what you do. fine, you are, or you wouldn't have a job. this, is getting rediculous though. i don't know why you're hell bent on proving that i am a worthless whore, or a guy pretending to be a worthless whore. but come on, can it stop? for once?

or do i have to sit here and deal with the fact that no matter what i say, you'll try to completely shut me down by bringing up my sex life? why can't the hatchet just be buried?

huh?

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost

This message has been edited by kuru on February 07, 2001 at 11:07 AM

You already know what I have a problem with.

1) Any personal attacks directed towards me will be defended.
2) If a topic is NOT about sex, and then you come in and say something like "Nobody's gettin naked pictures of kuru." I'll be the first one to point it out.

I noticed in a topic about nipple pinching or whatever you posted your input and said "Here's where jim is gonna rip me." That's just not true. If it's on topic, it's on topic. It just sucks when I come to read about One thing, and you've blown it into "Who wants inside kuru's pants" shit.

That's all I want.

So....... If you WANT to post off topic about your naked self. When I point it out, just don't reply. And don't make personal attacks at my posts that ARE on topic.

Deal?

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jim
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder
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This message has been edited by jim on February 07, 2001 at 01:11 PM

i'm sick of how no matter what topic it is, when you wanna fight with me, the first thing you bring up is sex. i'm sorry you have such a problem even acknowledging that maybe i'm not as stupid as you think i am.

i'm sorry that you spend so much time trying to prove that either i'm a slut, or a male, even when it's not on topic.

and as far as 'dealing with the smackdown' by making up, this hasn't got shit to do with the specific things that have been said about me. it's got everything to do with the fact that the constant fucking fighting is making it damn near impossible to enjoy the forum. i don't care who's right or wrong, i don't care if jim thinks i'm a bigger whore than heidi fleiss. i'm just tired of the fighting, and tired of having things i say about sex, in the sex forum, in topics about sex being used against me everywhere else.

ok?

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost

So don't just assume that because you know, everyone else should/does. Because we all know that when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.

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When my flying days are over, and my death has come to pass
I hope they bury me upside down, so the whole damn world can kiss my ass

</dana carvey impersionation of george bush>

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost

right now, i'm remembering the last dana carvey stand up bit i saw, in which he described what it's like to have a little kid who enjoys....NAAAAAAAAAAAAKED TIME! *ping*

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost

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Originally posted by kuru:
aside to willypete: no, i wouldn't do that to a kid. a kid is supposed to learn, sometime in elementary school, that the sun is a star. jim, for all his bragging, should fucking know better than to think he's done somethin on the order of discovering a new planet by posting something in a GEEK FORUM that most geeks would already know.
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Thanks kuru, for calling me a grade school student, you really cleared that up. In fact I didn't know and I don't need anyone else sticking up their hand to validate what I say about others not knowing. If jim helped one person like me to know more, then he's helped and hasn't stuck his foot up someone's ass when they were being polite to others and then had the gall to ask said foot-in-ass victim to stop defending themselves. I don't have my nose stuck up Tech-tv's ass to get my daily dose of tech knowledge - I don't have time in my JOB IN THE REAL WORLD. As for your later comment that it OBVIOUSLY stands to reason that the test would be the same for Whistler as for W2K due to the fact that it's a reworked W2K op system, you quite fortunately forgot that W2K is a reworked NT op system and THAT test HAS changed.
Looks as though unless you can quote from one of your college texts and the arguments of others, that your own reasoning skills are quite deficient. Let me help you make a decision. Jim has reminded you when you've gone off topic in a way that leaves much to be desired, but you seem to (quite maturely) responded to taking any opportunity to start name calling whenever he posts stuff and often without. Please decide now to quit getting on his case, it's petty. They do still teach independent thought in college don't they?
I've wasted enough time already. Have a nice day.

why is it that an analogy involving a grade school student learning something that all grade school students learn for adults/college students/career people learning things *they* are supposed to learn getting turned into 'well you called me a grade school student.

obviously you *wanted* to take offense to something, which is why that didn't make sense to you. lemme put it *really* simply: people learn different things at different stages of their life. yes, i'd praise a first grader for learning that the sun is really a star, just the same as i would a 19 year old college student who has just learned how to do a discrete math proof. ok? got it? i'm not *calling* the 19 year old a grade schol student. i just *expanded* on the anaolgy YOU brought up.

as far as my reasoning skills go, whistler is a codename for a revision of win2000, from what i have read. it's an update of the existing OS, not a complete reworking of it as 2000 was to NT. that's why i logically deduced that the test would be the same. because unlike win2000 to NT, it's not entirely a separate OS that is just built upon the same foundation.

go ahead and sling the hash all you want, i don't give a damn anymore. but stop telling me how to make my decisions, since you obviously MISSED IT when i said that jim and i and already worked stuff out.

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost

This message has been edited by kuru on February 08, 2001 at 02:05 PM

The final name for Whistler, as best as the sources seem to be, is Windows XP. To accompany it, is Office XP. Apparantly, XP stands for 'experience'... sort of referring to the experience of paying per use on your subscription to Office 10.

I still get a rod thinking about it, though.

please?

and if you have any network gamers, you might want to kill them, kill them, kill them all.

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost

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Hey DKB shut up ya crazy foo!

actually its been particularly slow lately. all webpages takeforever to load.

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There's nothing wrong with Computer Engineers... it's those Computer Science majors that you have to watch for. All theory, nothing really useful. *raspberry*

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Aint that the fucking truth. Start of the year I signed up to take two thirds of computer science (i'm on combined science, i can chose how much of each discipline i can do) and there has been very little of interest taught. It's mostly about teaching software design processes - different models for the life-cycle of software projects etc, discussing types of grammar definition...

Whole f**king heap of boring, obvious, crap which probably isn't going to help me in the slightest.

You should probably tell the compsci people to be careful with any plain paper packages they get..

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When my flying days are over, and my death has come to pass
I hope they bury me upside down, so the whole damn world can kiss my ass

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
-robert frost

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Originally posted by CatKnight:
dammmit its back to bein slow again grr

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Damn Napster users. The other day my schools network went down AGAIN (one of MANY times) because a bunch of assholes were using a few megs of bandwidth each to download 500 songs at once. I then got a letter on my door saying that the school was going to monitor everyone’s connection and kill those connections that were using too much bandwidth, all because of Napster. I’m not paying 40 fucking dollars a month to have my connection mentored or killed because of a bunch of fuckers in the computer lab trying to download mp3’s to their floppy disks.