Forum: Geek Forum
Topic: mobo's
started by: pengu1nn

Posted by TonyDennis on Nov. 12 2001,20:50
I'm also looking to get a new machine, but I can't find a decent motherboard either. I want to get the Athlon XP 1600, but I don't know which board to get..
Posted by incubus on Nov. 12 2001,21:37
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Posted by miNus on Nov. 12 2001,21:42
I believe IWill is coming out with a new board that accepts DDR333 RAM (which is basically PC166 DDR) which should be blazing fast.

Might want to see if you can find some reviews on it and check it out.

Here's a link to the PR - < http://www.iwillusa.com/whats_new/SeeMore.asp?ID=93 >


Posted by psychopharmacologist on Nov. 13 2001,00:00
the P4 mobos say they've got a 400mhz fsb.
shouldn't that be much faster?
I'm probably confused on some point.
And what sort of RAM would you use with that anyway?
Posted by aventari on Nov. 13 2001,01:53
quote:
Originally posted by miNus:
I believe IWill is coming out with a new board that accepts DDR333 RAM (which is basically PC166 DDR) which should be blazing fast.

I wasn't aware that there was an Althon cpu that had a DDR333 mhz bus. Thats a pretty nice overclock if the chipset will take it though. But i have my doubts.

quote:
Originally posted by miNus:
the P4 mobos say they've got a 400mhz fsb.
shouldn't that be much faster?
I'm probably confused on some point.
And what sort of RAM would you use with that anyway?

Yes the P4 FSB is 'quad-pumped' to 400 mhz. But it doesn't use regular DDR (or QDR for that matter) SDRAM. It uses RAMBUS memory. A much higher latency beast, and the bus width is not nearly as wide. So 400mhz SDRAM would murder 400mhz RDRAM

So once again, we see that clock speed alone does not win the race.


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Posted by pengu1nn on Nov. 13 2001,05:26
i'm about to get a new comp. and i was wondering, is there any mobo that can use the pc2400 or pc2700 ddr ram? all i can find are ones saying pc2100. damnit. maybe oc the bus?

what kind of mobo's do you recomend. i'm thinkin about the asus A7M266 and a athlon xp cpu. geforce3 Ti 200.

comments?


Posted by miNus on Nov. 13 2001,11:58
Yeah um first of all, that quote about the P4, that wasn't me...

Second of all, I misunderstood what you said about the board, so I retract my statement because I'm a dumbass. There isn't an AMD chip (or Intel for that matter) that runs at a 166FSB DDR (afaik, of course).

This message has been edited by miNus on November 14, 2001 at 09:57 AM


Posted by pengu1nn on Nov. 14 2001,18:22
tonydennis: i would suggest you give the asus A7M266 a look. that would be my choice if i wasn't lookin to use the faster ddr ram that is around. although it my have problems with ati video cards (its that one or the A7A266, whichever uses the ali chipset, too lazy to go look)

i don't want at P4, i don't like intel plus i'm a broke ass. i don't have intel money to spend.

i was thinkin about waiting till usb2.0 was out and get a mobo with it, but i dont really use usb so i don't need to wait another 3-4 months.

what aobut something with raid, although i don't quite understand what it is , kinda sorta do but not really


Posted by miNus on Nov. 15 2001,14:24
How about waiting just a bit for the nForce? Supposed to be a good step up from KT266A, even. Or you can get a KT266A...

But you already bought one... I see. I just don't understand why you would recommend a board that you are having problems with. Given, you're having problems with an ATI card so it's most likely it's fault.


Posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d on Nov. 16 2001,05:00
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Originally posted by pengu1nn:
what aobut something with raid, although i don't quite understand what it is , kinda sorta do but not really

Raid: Redundant Array of independant/Inexpensive Disks You can have say 5 ide harddrives that are each 20 gigs and the machine sees it as 1 drive of 100 gigs. That of course is raid level 0 which has no parity. Depending on the importance of data you can have 3 or 5 levels of redudancy.

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Posted by pengu1nn on Nov. 18 2001,14:01
quote:
Originally posted by miNus:
How about waiting just a bit for the nForce? Supposed to be a good step up from KT266A, even. Or you can get a KT266A...

But you already bought one... I see. I just don't understand why you would recommend a board that you are having problems with. Given, you're having problems with an ATI card so it's most likely it's fault.



i haven't bought anything yet.

and the problem is with the ati and ali chipsets in the A7A266. seems they can't get along together.


Posted by miNus on Nov. 18 2001,21:19
I was gonna recommend KT266A, but HAHA that's Via isn't it?

How about an EPoX 8K7A? I have one and it is awesome... AMD-761 chipset, very stable.

I'm not sure about the PC2700 memory though... my guess is any DDR board could take it, but the bus speeds 'just don't go up that high'*

*As in, stock speeds. With PC2700 memory you could have one hell of an overclocking orgy, depending on the rest of your system.


Posted by pengu1nn on Nov. 22 2001,14:24
epox boards a pretty good, i use one at work (a bit old and outdated with a k6-2 500mhz)

price of the xp 1700 is down to 质, i'm getting a geforce3 ti 200, i may go with the epox actually.

another question: cases. damnit they can be expensive if you want one you can keep cool. but i'm a cheap ass so i don't want to pay 贶 so i can have 4 case fans


Posted by miNus on Nov. 22 2001,15:51
InWin Q500. Nuff said.
Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Nov. 22 2001,23:20
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Originally posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d:
Depending on the importance of data you can have 3 or 5 levels of redudancy.

no. The RAID levels are arbitrary; they have nothing to do with how much redundancy you have.

A more complete list :

RAID 0 : Data is striped across multiple HD's for better performance. In an array with n drives, data is read/written at approximately n times the rate of a single hard disk. In this mode, a single drive failure breaks the entire array, and data is lost.

RAID 1 : Data is mirrored across multiple drives for redundancy. A RAID 1 array will continue to function as long as 1 hard drive is still alive. Read performance is generally higher than with a single drive, while write performance is lower.

RAID 0+1 : A combination of striping and mirroring. Essentially you have two RAID 0 arrays mirroring each other. You can lose up to half the drives in a RAID 0+1 array before it fails.

RAID 5 : Striping w/parity. Data is striped across drives. One out of every three drives in the array stores parity information, which can be used to rebuild the array if one of the other drives fails. In a RAID 5 array, you can lose up to 1/3 of your drives before the array fails.

There's also RAID 3 and 4, and probably a RAID 2, but these aren't used much because they're almost useless.

edit : 1000th post! w0000000000000tah!

This message has been edited by damien_s_lucifer on November 23, 2001 at 06:45 PM


Posted by miNus on Nov. 22 2001,23:30
*toooooot*

Happy one thousand posts damien!

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Posted by Greasemonk on Nov. 23 2001,23:34
Ive got a P3 700 Mhz 370 pin chip waiting to go into a motherboard. I want to build a basic system to put Windows 2000 Server on to play around with. Anyone have any suggestions??

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Posted by miNus on Nov. 24 2001,00:11
How about a Shuttle FV-24? For 贘 from < http://www.mwave.com > you can't go wrong. Integrated LAN, video, sound. Pretty nice if I've heard correctly.

It's like 7"x7.5" too... so it's TINY you can put it in a freaking desk drawer, no need for a case

They also have a neat little aluminum cube case/power supply/motherboard combo there, the SV-24, for 趚. It's pretty cool looking, IMO.

This message has been edited by miNus on November 24, 2001 at 07:12 PM


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