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Topic: barebones linux
started by: CatKnight

Posted by CatKnight on Oct. 27 2001,18:25

bah that's too much work

oh well I'm going to play counter strike.

Posted by ASCIIMan on Oct. 27 2001,18:42

Or you could try < slackware >.

Posted by Spydir on Oct. 27 2001,19:45

go to slack's ftp site, and just download the packages you want.

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Posted by CatKnight on Oct. 27 2001,19:55

what I want is the versatility of slackware with redhat's installer

Posted by Rhydant on Oct. 27 2001,20:14

quote:
Originally posted by CatKnight:
bah that's too much work
oh well I'm going to play counter strike.

tahts the spirit!

Posted by incubus on Oct. 27 2001,22:16

In trading off bloat and ease-of-use with distribution size and speed you've a dilemma, I'll run some shit by you.

Most Linux Distro's fall into the following 'groups'.

Beginners:

< RedHat >
< Mandrake >

Both of these have a friendly installer.
They're easy to use but bloated.
CK, if you didn't notice, there's a 'select individual packages' option there.

Intermediate:

< SuSE >

I've never used this distro myself but I've only heard very positive feedback regarding it. It's hard to get in ISO form though.

Advanced:

< Debian >
< Slackware >

Lean and mean, although their installers are a bit hairy. Debian is a nightmare especially with newer hardware - the current release uses a 2.2 kernel (and therefore doesn't support my Netgear ethernet card (based on natsemi.o) ... damn!

My experience with Slackware is basic. I used 8 for a few weeks then my hdd crashed and I went running back to < RedHat >.

That said, most of the long time linux hackers I know use Debian or Slackware. I'll be running Debian on my gateway machine (P120!) as soon as I have some floppies. (non-bootable-CD-BIOS-hell)

Ultimate:

< LinuxFromScratch > (LFS)

You have to build this baby from within another install so there's not much point in you trying this one.

If you're only after X you can get an < X distro that fits on two floppies >, although you can't then install more packages. It's feature-rich though, take a look at the < screenshot > if you don't believe me.

I know you don't want a desktop environment, but I really do recommend < Ximian GNOME >, it fucking kicks like nothing else.

It all really depends upon what you want to do, exactly.

If you're after some ISOs then run by < LinuxISO >. They have all the distros you need there.

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This message has been edited by incubus on October 28, 2001 at 05:27 PM

Posted by Beldurin on Oct. 28 2001,01:21

Why not just select the packages you need from the RedHat installer? That's what I did on the second router I set up. EX: if you're not planning on using KDE or Gnome or any of the GUI stuff that goes along w/it, then just don't install the packages.

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Give me ambiguity or give me something else...

Posted by RenegadeSnark on Oct. 28 2001,02:18

quote:
CatKnight wrote this crap:
I want a Linux distribution with a fancy installer and configurator but very advanced. I also want an apple with a built-in microwave and a floppy disk with a built-in shotgun. Can you help me dig around in my ass until I find one?

Make a decision. Versatile or simple.

Posted by CatKnight on Oct. 28 2001,04:32

well I decided I don't like redhat or mandrake because it installs an assload (~1 gig) of packages and I don't know what most of them do. I just want to install a super barebones linux and install packages as I need them. What is the best way to do this? I was trying to to debian but I couldn't get a boot disk to work under 2000 for some odd reason...

btw I want x-windows but I don't need a desktop environment like gnome or kde.

This message has been edited by CatKnight on October 28, 2001 at 12:35 PM

Posted by ASCIIMan on Oct. 28 2001,04:42

< Super-barebones linux. >

Posted by CatKnight on Oct. 28 2001,19:47

actually I quite liked the slackware installer. I was under the impression that there was no installer whatsoever and that everything had to be done manually.

Posted by Spydir on Oct. 28 2001,20:43

...

Wow, you really are an idiot. I mean... damn. I've seen some pretty stupid people, but wow, that's just... Holy shit, you have to be just joking right? Because that's really stupid.

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Posted by porn_dealer on Oct. 28 2001,23:08

quote:
Originally posted by RenegadeSnark:
Make a decision. Versatile or simple.

10 bucks says that was sarcasm..

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Posted by CatKnight on Oct. 29 2001,01:54

quote:
Originally posted by Spydir:
...
Wow, you really are an idiot. I mean... damn. I've seen some pretty stupid people, but wow, that's just... Holy shit, you have to be just joking right? Because that's really stupid.

tf?

Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Oct. 29 2001,09:48

you heard the man ya foo!

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simultaneity is not absolute. So just because you think i'm wrong, from my frame of reference i'm right!

Posted by Spydir on Oct. 30 2001,05:14

Hey CK! Never post again! Really. You got the l33t3s7 number of posts you can get (2600), and posting anymore would just kill it. And don't register another account, because it just defeats the point...

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Posted by semper on Nov. 04 2001,21:00

Hrm, I found a tutorial on this: < http://www.netspace.net.au/~gok/power2bash/buildMin/buildMin.html >

Basically, you need to have an already existing linux system to make your own distro, or at least an OS. Compile the kernel, put on glibc, makedev, install lilo, etc.

Posted by hyperponic on Nov. 04 2001,22:35

Dude, the slackware installer is minimal, but if you know your way around linux already it really just takes a second or two of time and effort to figure it out. Isn't that one of the reason's you'd like to use a barebones linux anyway? just grab an iso off the web, plug and chug....

I tried to install debian once....what a pain in the ass...but maybe its gotten better, who knows?

Posted by incubus on Nov. 05 2001,00:51

Debian released revison 4 of potato today. I like what ive seen of the testing distro, and will probably run it once the final ISOs of those come out, but for now I run RH7.1 and 7.2.

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