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Topic: I 0wn XP.
started by: damien_s_lucifer

Posted by The_Stomper on Oct. 18 2001,06:15

I've had that for awhile myself. Glad I'm not the only one suffering from Borked DetNet Menus.

Unfortunately it won't let me use my TV tuner card fullscreen. Plus, I can't even cut the resolution down to make it fullscreen - WinXP only goes to 800x600! Damn you, MS and WinTV! Why can't you two just get along?!?

Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Oct. 18 2001,06:29

That's why I still have a Win98 install. I don't like dropped frames when recording video.

Posted by miNus on Oct. 18 2001,11:29

After I installed IE 6.0 my detnet frame didn't work either. You can't click on the text for the link, you have to click on the surrounding button.

Oh well, such is life.

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Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Oct. 18 2001,17:30

Without the registration feature

It's all about the volume license, baby.

Things I like so far :

- The new TCP/IP stack hauls ass. IE is *MUCH* faster.
- Works with all my hardware.
- You can turn off the Fisher Price skin.

Things I don't like :

- IE 6 looks like a Nintendo game. And the detnet menus don't work right.

Posted by TallAssAzn on Oct. 18 2001,20:47

Yeah. IE6 has issues with the detnet menus. Most drop down menus, it seems.

I'm planning on upgrading to either Win2k or XP. Any advice on which one?

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Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Oct. 18 2001,21:33

You may as well go with XP. It's basically Windows 2000 with a new, shiny interface, and some major improvements under the hood.

The biggest difference I've seen so far is that networking is *much* faster under XP. w00t!

Posted by miNus on Oct. 18 2001,23:08

quote:
Originally posted by damien_s_lucifer:
Without the registration feature

Oh, that's a feature!?

Aaaaah, it all makes sense now.

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Posted by [liquid] meta on Oct. 19 2001,13:52

errr...you got Corp Pro Edition?

Posted by incubus on Oct. 19 2001,21:45

me do.

Posted by StanVanDam on Oct. 20 2001,03:04

I have had it fer a few weeks, my bro is runnin it while im still on 2k. His comp's a Pentium 200 non-MMX, 6.5GB Seagate 7200rpm, 256MB EDO, and a Voodoo 3 (which he can't get to work with CS b/c the drivers don't work right or somethin)

Posted by BigKahuna on Oct. 21 2001,00:45

Damn... i've got XP now but I can't install the thing! I put the cd in, the setup comes up and I select a new install. After it reboots into dos to do the proper install it starts loading all the setup files and then the thing freezes when it says 'Starting windows' down in the bottom left. i've noticed my keyboard lights flash and my intellimouse lights up but it just stays in the blue setup screen with no disk activity. Anyone got any ideas?

Posted by askheaves on Oct. 21 2001,17:13

Just be patient with it. If it goes for 15 minutes without doing anything, then you need to try again. Otherwise, it just takes for friggin ever to do the install. I had the same problems.

Posted by beuges on Oct. 21 2001,18:33

well, i took the plunge and installed this afternoon.
XP IS SO FUCKING GAY!!!!! the lan admin on campus installed it on three pc's and i was scared to walk around cos whichever way i turned, i'd have my ass facing at least one of them, and it scared me.
with that out of the way... it's seriously faster than my win2k... and it hasn't crashed yet (i'm impressed). still, tho, i'll hold on to my second installation of win2k till the end of the year.
p.s. i dunno where the lan-man got it from, but mine's also without the registration "feature"

Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Oct. 22 2001,02:27

all you have to do to cure XP's gayness is go into Display Properties and set your theme to "Windows Classic." Then it looks just like good ol' 2K, except XP's explorer.exe is a lot cooler.

More reports from the front :

I'd read that XP does *not* include a Java VM. This is true. I've also read a lot of rumors that this is because M$ is trying to rid the world of Java (a competitor to .NET) by taking it out of their browser so eople couldn't use it any more. Because of course it was going to be HARD to install Java and most of the poor stupid computer users wouldn't bother.

This is NOT true. When I tried loading the Java IRC client from< this thread >, Internet Explorer told me I needed a plugin for the page and asked me if I wanted to install Sun JavaVM 1.2.2. I clicked "yes" and 5MB later, I was running the geniune Sun JavaVM.

If you ask me, if that's too hard for a user, they should stay the hell off the Internet.

Posted by [liquid] meta on Oct. 22 2001,05:38

this may be my version only, but when installing, never tell it to boot from the cd... it just restarts the installation process over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Posted by beuges on Oct. 22 2001,08:22

i know

first thing i did was change it back to its win2k look. but IE6 still has the gay buttons, etc. it looks more like a toy than an OS.
if you look at the source of the IRC client thingie, it's got a pointer to the plugins page at java.sun.com. just like how if u don't have the shockwave plugin, you get taken to macromedia's page to download the plugin.
well, this morning, my mouse died on me. could be that my driver's incompatible, but... hmm. and i can't go into standby mode, cos my keyboard prevents it from doing so. wtf? oh well. i guess i can live without standby, but I NEED MY MOUSE DAMMIT!!!

Posted by DuSTman on Oct. 22 2001,10:29

*nods*.

The microsoft virtual machine, while considerably faster than suns, stopped development at version 1.1, which was holding java back a bit.. Maybe now we'll actually see 1.4 java on MSIE..

Still. The speed of java seriously needs looked at.

Posted by [liquid] meta on Oct. 22 2001,12:59

Hey... XP'ers...just a question.

Do any of you have problems booting/shutting down? Whenever mine boots up, it takes forever after the windows background loads. I think it may be software related, but right now the only things I have on start up are:

norton a.v.
mouse
sound
icq n.d.

And it doesn't always shut down properly. it tends to freeze at the blue shut down screen "Windows is now shutting down..."
'tis quite annoying.

Any ideas?

Posted by Observer on Oct. 22 2001,14:57

Norton would be my first suspect.

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Posted by TheTaxMan on Oct. 22 2001,15:30

I had that same problem until I re-installed (the first time). I don't use Norton, so I can't say one way or another. I don't think it's necessarily a program either. My advice is re-install windows.

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Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Oct. 22 2001,18:05

quote:
Originally posted by Observer:
Norton would be my first suspect.

Yep. NAV likes to hang my NT and 2K systems on shutdown.

Posted by [liquid] meta on Oct. 22 2001,21:16

hmmm...yea that makes sense. it stops responding when NAV is initializing.

now about the shut down...it only happens when i leave it idle for a bit... like 10 mins.

Posted by kornalldaway on Oct. 22 2001,23:26

i would say norton
unless you turned that option off chances are when your system is idle for a bit it tries to initiate a background scan to keep itself buizy
that might be freezing up your computer at shutdown
it's no biggie so just uninstall it and see if that will fix the problem

Posted by askheaves on Oct. 22 2001,23:39

As for the Java thing, the main reason they didn't put it into the OS (and why dev stopped) is because Sun was going to kick their asses around with a law suit. So, MS just said "shove off then" and didn't involve it in the OS. Immediately after that, Sun started getting pissed that they didn't bundle it. It's a big game and MS has taken the easier of two evils.

Posted by peregrin on Oct. 23 2001,04:01

simple solution: never shut down.

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Posted by beuges on Oct. 23 2001,18:14

well, i've bee running xp for the past day or so, and... its not so bad... it doesnt look so silly once you decrease the size of the minimize/maximize/close buttons a bit, and change the stupid default background pic. i found a few weirdo's tho... under 2000, i got fed up with logging out and logging in again as admin to install stuff, so i gave my login admin rights. now that i can change users without logging off in xp, i decided to make my default login a standard user login, so i dont mess up accidentally. so i change my account properties, and log in again. my keyboard driver refuses to load, just like my mouse driver (so no more funky internet buttons, or magic button on my netmouse). also, winamp refused to play half my mp3s. stuffs only working as normal if i change my login back to admin status. weird.

Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Oct. 23 2001,18:27

Your file permissions are probably set strangely. I don't think that's an XP specific problem.

Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Oct. 23 2001,18:44

it did that with 98se with the shutdown sometimes. dunno why. you got a network card or any scsi devices attached? that used to make booting into windows take forever

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Posted by damien_s_lucifer on Oct. 24 2001,01:36

dkb, the Win98 shutdown thing was a bug in the Client for Microsoft Networks. It was one of the most annoying things ever... I always had to unplug my computer to get it to turn off.

quote:
Originally posted by beuges:
stuffs only working as normal if i change my login back to admin status.

Did you originally upgrade to 2000 from Windows 98? I had the *same* problem when I upgraded the user machines at work to Win2K. I wound up having to give everyone local administrator rights on their machines. It has something to do with file and registry permissions - registry keys have permissions under Win2K, and it seems that the upgrade process sets a lot of keys to only allow admins to update them, which breaks a hell of a lot of programs.

One solution is to start with a clean install of XP. Another is to uninstall the software that isn't working properly (i.e. Winamp) and reinstall the latest version. The installer will set the proper permissions on the registry keys and any files it needs to update, and the program will work fine from then on.

Posted by DeadAnztac on Oct. 24 2001,02:18

I have a query, I have a SbLive, and when I upgraded all my sound sounds like SHIT. Absolute, utter, shit, like it's been moved down the scale of sound quality a few times. Any ideas? I looked for XP drivers, apparently they don't exsist yet, should I install 2000 drivers?

/me hates having 8-bit audio.

Edit: Me and this keyboard have artistic issues we have to work on.
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Posted by CNCJake on Oct. 24 2001,22:56

Do not install Win2k drivers! Anyways all your problems should be solved today, a shitload of updates have just been released on "windows update."

Posted by beuges on Oct. 25 2001,08:23

quote:
Originally posted by damien_s_lucifer:
Your file permissions are probably set strangely. I don't think that's an XP specific problem.

umm probably not, cos i've got all my mp3s on fat32 drives, so no permissions to set there. and the error was a winamp error, not a windows error. i double-click on an mp3, winamp says that the waveout plugin doesnt support this format. double-click again, it plays, doubleclick again, doesnt work... but it works fine under the admin account. :/

i guess the keyboard thing doesnt work cos i haven't updated my drivers yet, but i'm still surprised that it works under the admin account, but not the user account.

the powertoys are cool tho

Posted by askheaves on Oct. 25 2001,17:19

Yes, I agree... they made a special point of announcing the Live! drivers. I even got a new driver for my Dell Laptop GeForce2Go card... which makes everything green and pink. I love it soooo much!!!