Topic: Getting the damned shirt off
started by: melk0r
kissing -> making out -> heavy petting -> getting comfortable with casual or unintentional grazes with boobs -> boobs outside shirt -> boobs inside shirt -> boobs w/ bra off -> taking off shirt -> sucking on boobs -> fingering through underwear (like just lightly rubbing) -> moving undies to side -> taking undies off -> eating out -> having sex.
this of course is for the super majorly slow taking baby steps type of woman. what i am wondering, is how in the fuck am i casually or smoothly supposed to take the shirt off. i mean, there is no way possible. (except "how in the hell can i give you a decent massage with your shirt on? 
)
keep in mind i have to move slowly, if this at all is feasible. i dont know how far my girlfriend would be comfortable to go, but i havent been rejected so far. (ok.. once.)
any suggestions? 
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Originally posted by melk0r:
sucking on boobs -> fingering through underwear (like just lightly rubbing) -> moving undies to side -> taking undies off -> eating out
er? Slow down tiger. Especially if it's your first time with this girl. Dunno how old you are/she is, but might be insecure with her body. Don't rush is all I'd say. What about "kissing all over her body from neck to hips to feet and back up to panty line"? Take it slowly. That's my advice. Works sometimes.
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Originally posted by aletros:
er? Slow down tiger. Especially if it's your first time with this girl. Dunno how old you are/she is, but might be insecure with her body. Don't rush is all I'd say. What about "kissing all over her body from neck to hips to feet and back up to panty line"? Take it slowly. That's my advice. Works sometimes.
this post was more of a query, but its not like i need the answer instantly. i just saw it as a problem that me and my friends couldnt answer.
me and her are sixteen, and we've been going out almost four months, and during that time i've had to take the babiest of baby steps to make progress. even though i am totally inexperienced, (hell, SHE TAUGHT ME HOW TO KISS) i have a feeling that if i was stumbling around, unsure of what to do, that i wouldnt be getting anywhere. i've had to put a lot of thought into any move that im going to make sexually.
and wouldnt i need her shirt off to kiss from her neck to her feet and then back? 
kissing cotton just DOESNT sound appetizing.
My point is... if you're being flat out rejected, you're going to fast for her... if YOU think it's a fair pace ask her why you "next move" is uncomfortable for her. And if you can't TALK about sex with her... you're (plural "you") not ready.
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-< PersonGuy >
how to take a shirt of in a smooth or casual manner?
Well, first of all GO SLOW. Then, make sure she wants it too. Simply ask her whether you can take it off (either with words, or with gestures/eyes/kisses). Tell her that she is beautiful! No matter if she knows how much you love her... she'll probably be shy at first. Be soft. Be gentle. Caress her. Talk to her. Find out what she likes. Kiss her neck. etc. etc. etc....
Your idea about massage isn't bad either.
Okay I'll stop before I get too lost in this topic...
how in the hell do you get a shirt off in a casual or smooth way?
ps: personguy, i really dont treat her like a sex object, actually. i am very attatched, and yes, i have thought about the idea that im moving too fast, and all that bullshit. and every time i tell someone in school or something who my girlfriend is, i can see that look go across their face like "how in the hell did he get her" and it tears me to pieces. mostly because i DONT know how i got her, and i must have this feeling that i could lose her at any moment to someone that is more worthy.
How? Light the shirt on fire and the it will come off pretty quick!
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"never underestimate the power of 14 year old decaprio fans and thier cohorts." -mqa
-< PersonGuy >
does it have buttons? is it a tanktop?
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ck- if its the normal kinda bra that has like two little (or more depending on size of boobs) fasteners you just put thumb on one side of the prong-thingies, forefinger on the other and push inwards. the fasteners should become loose enough and undo themselves. its fun to actually just sit and play around with til you get it though.
Now it's just a matter of going slow, being gentle... and practice, practice, practice!
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I can resist everything except Temptation. - Oscar Wilde
heh.
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As I chase the leaves like the words I never find ...
edit - no, this "guy" was not me.
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This message has been edited by Spydir on June 19, 2001 at 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by Spydir:
once I saw a guy taking a bra off a light post. does that count as practice?edit - no, this "guy" was not me.
hmm now im thinking: can a shirt fit around a light post?
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Originally posted by melk0r:
can a shirt fit around a light post?
Sure it can. If the light post has breasts.
w00tah! 200th post!!! 
Also, I have no experience in this matter... hehe so, sorry i couldnt give my 2 pennies.
SLATE
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Originally posted by SLATE:
hey melky, just wondering, could you scan a pic of the two of ya? Like a prom or dance pic or something?
aha how thoughtful. she controls the camera and shit though, but if i can find a decent one i'll be sure to put a pic up.
i think we might have some nice ones from prom. me = cant dance but can look damned good in a tux. :\
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Originally posted by spicegoddess:
too bad my lil bro reads this and knows my user name.
Bit of a bastard, tht. oh well.
To the original question, I don't have too much to add, so I won't.
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as far as the topic is concerned--
If you are lying down when you reach under her shirt to feel her up (either with a bra or not)if you lift the shirt enough to see her boobs- just ask her if you can take it off...chances are shell say yes because the shirt will be in her way. I know thats how it usually works for me...
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L'absence est à l'amour ce qu'est au feu le vent; Il éteint le petit, il allume le grand.
- Comte de Bussy- Rabutin
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-< PersonGuy >
1) Kissing below the neckline of the shirt. If she likes where you're kissing with the shirt on, she can imagine what you can get to with it off.
2) Hold her back under the shirt. Slip your hands under the shirt, and hold her back (towards the shoulders) gently and firmly while kissing her. Moving your arms up can help the shirt creep up too.
3) Kiss her stomach. If she likes this (and many of the women I've know do) you can gradually work the shirt up while you're kissing. It's probably a good way to test her limits as well (see how far you can go before she pulls away or stops you).
4) Massage. I know it's lame, but if you start outside her shirt, then with your hands under the shirt, she may be willing to let you get a little farther.
5) Stay close to her when she takes her shirt off. Don't make it seem like you just want to stare at her boobs. It should be making your experience more intimate, not giving you something to think about later.
Oh, and PersonGuy is dead on. If you can't talk about it, at least somewhat, things may get wierd at some point. Of course in my brillance, when I wanted things to go further with my first gf, I grabbed her hand and put it straight in my crotch. Worked, though.
And, for all those who wonder, here is my crappily drawn guide, "How to take off a bra with one hand."
First, make sure it is a bra that hooks in the back. You will look ever so foolish if you try to undo a front-closer by messing with the back for 5 minutes.
The illustration:
1) The part on the right overlaps the part on the left at the clasp. If the particular bra you are working on is opposite, reverse the instructions.
2) Looking at the picture, you are staring at the back of your left hand, with your thumb and index finger making a V. Your index and thumb go on opposite sides of the fastener outside the bra. Your middle finger goes inside the bra on the same side as the index finger, kinda pinching that part between the two fingers.
3)The tricky step. This would be the squeeze-twist-push manuver. Move your fingers in the directions indicated, with your thumb moving away from the female (or male if you're into transvestites) and your index and middle fingers moving towards the female (subsitute male again if needed).
4) You should now have an undone bra. Don't spend more than 5-10 seconds trying it this way. Doesn't make a good impression with the ladies. A final note, this doesn't always work. Sometimes, you just gotta use both hands (apply all necessary puns)
Just email/ICQ me...
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"Thank you, God, for giving us leotards." -Koichi
-< PersonGuy >
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Originally posted by melk0r:
kissing -> making out -> heavy petting -> getting comfortable with casual or unintentional grazes with boobs -> boobs outside shirt -> boobs inside shirt -> boobs w/ bra off -> taking off shirt -> sucking on boobs -> fingering through underwear (like just lightly rubbing) -> moving undies to side -> taking undies off -> eating out -> having sex.
This amazes me! That guys actually go through this sort of formulaic way to get into a girls panties...seems like too much work for me. Just take the damn shirt off.
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L'absence est à l'amour ce qu'est au feu le vent; Il éteint le petit, il allume le grand.
- Comte de Bussy- Rabutin
This message has been edited by Chrissy on June 23, 2001 at 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by spicegoddess:
gosh i hope not all guys plan like that.
The ones who don't get laid do... and that includes me, dammit!
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-< PersonGuy >
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If I want your oppinion, I'll rattle my zipper.
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Originally posted by Casper:
It's not that uncommon. I dunno, maybe it's just how some guy's minds work. I just can't help at least subconsiously "planning" like that. It's not like I'm thinking "what's the quickest way to get her clothes off", it's more like "what is she going to want the most, what will she be comfortable with, etc.", but in every (okay, like two or three) instance where I've thought about it a lot beforehand, I've decided at the last minute to forget my "plan" and just go with the flow. Hey, whatever works, y'know?
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Originally posted by HyperChick313:
U MORON DO U EVER WATCH MOVIES??
And we all know how realistic movies are, don't we?
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This message has been edited by DuSTman on June 27, 2001 at 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by Spydir:
once I saw a guy taking a bra off a light post. does that count as practice?edit - no, this "guy" was not me.
hey - if u can take a shirt off a lamp post, then ur a master-of-shirt-removal and should have no problem what-so-ever.
anyways, as to your question... opttion one: a suitable amount of booze should loosen both of you up. stuff can happen so inconspicuously that u dont even notice urself...
option two: when you happen to be making out, just sort of keep nudging it higher and higher. if she keeps pushing it back, try again, less 'accidentally'. shouldnt take long before she gets the idea, and it still comes down to whether she is willing to take it off or not (if not, see point 1 ).
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Originally posted by DuSTman:
Men are more likely to jack off to actual porn, and it's not as if that's scripted with particular emphasis on the social phychology of those particular hypothetical situations.
read somewhere - people never pay any attention to the plots in porn films. more likely they will just fast-forward to the next sex scene unless they have a particular fetish for bad acting.
i seem to have one... i really really find those plots amusing. an average porn film made after a real movie is MUCH funnier that those leslie nielsen films or scary movie or something like that...
*says a quick prayer..*
edit- it didnt obviously, so here's a link to
< HER website. > its got a fairly decent pic.
i hope to god THAT works.
This message has been edited by melk0r on June 28, 2001 at 11:08 PM
kudos to you..
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When my flying days are over, and my death has come to pass
I hope they bury me upside down, so the whole damn world can kiss my ass
You lucky son of a bitch.
catknight - people are over-explaining it. Just grab the two ends, and pull one end over the other.
This message has been edited by damien_s_lucifer on June 30, 2001 at 02:21 AM
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I feel sick.
Anyways, my shpeil ... from experience, don't focus on "getting the shirt off". Just work on the other areas for the moment. Kiss her, play with her hair, cuddle, give her a backrub. Once you've both become "comfortable" then the next time you give her a backrub or are making out, gently and carefully put your hand up her shirt. Just a little at first, and keep easing your way up. This will lead to one of 3 situations:
1. She grabs your hand & pushes it down.
2. She relaxes, lets you continue sliding your hand up.
3. She grabs your hand & pushes it up.
If you play your cards right and spend enough time being good to her outside the shirt, you just may get her excited enough to encourage a little fun inside it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but girls do enjoy it too (gently - you're not kneading bread dough.)
Oh yes - once the shirt does come off, don't just go straight for the nipple. Have some fun ... tease her a little. And don't forget to keep kissing ... but the lack of shirt provides new and interesting locations to "pucker up" on...
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Originally posted by The_Stomper:don't just go straight for the nipple. Have some fun ... tease her a little. And don't forget to keep kissing ... but the lack of shirt provides new and interesting locations to "pucker up" on...
that was very nicely put, and you're totally right, of course.
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Originally posted by j0eSmith:
melk0r.... how in the HELL did you manage to find a catch like her?
yeah, if i knew how to get women, i'd write a book, get famous, be rich.. and you'd all have a better sense on how to get them. but i dont know how anymore than anyone else here.
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"Thank you, God, for giving us leotards." -Koichi
-< PersonGuy >
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This is WAR wilson not sainsbury's!
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Originally posted by The_Stomper:Just work on the other areas for the moment....give her a backrub.
Well, I probably shouldn't be giving away my secret weaknesses right now, but this is definitely one of them. To offer up a possible strategy to those of you in need (this is one I've fallen victim to more than once in the past), while you're giving the girl a back rub, point out that you could do a better job if her shirt wasn't in the way. Now granted, if I'm not willing to take my shirt off for the guy to begin with, it still wouldn't come off, but if I'm already willing then this is a smooth way to go about getting me to do it (or letting him do it for me). And if you're wanting to go one step further, since she'll be laying on her stomache with no shirt on, it puts you in perfect position to undo her bra (assuming it's a back clasp), and if she gives you a look, just point out that it was in the way too.
Now I just hope this won't put me at a disadvantage against certain people anytime soon.
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Originally posted by nautilus:
... while you're giving the girl a back rub, point out that you could do a better job if her shirt wasn't in the way ...
Why do you think I suggested it in the first place? That's how I've gotten the shirts off my previous girlfriends, and I intend to keep trying it. I'm damn good at giving backrubs.
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-- incubus
As I chase the leaves like the words I never find ...
Any more than that isn't gonna be given out in a public forum. Too many freaky people out there; a girl's gotta be careful these days. But if you email and ask nicely....
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