What would you guys resp. girls do to seduce a chick resp. man? And why? To what extents would you go? And what would you consider the ultimate seduction for yourself?

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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
"who here wants a blowjob" that would work on me

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LMFAO

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Originally posted by Dark Knight Bob:
does anyone not notcie that sithee isnt actually talking out of his ass like a lot of people here

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Be in the same room.

Be on the same planet.

It dont take much to seduce a guy.

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Is this the kinda stuff that girls like?

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Originally posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d:
Is this the kinda stuff that girls like?

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THAT'S GENIOUS!! Mind if I steal it!? But you definately WOULD want to top that off with a hotel room (and what the hell is wrong with a motel/you!!! )!

As for the seducing, I think LiNeY meant to say, if there was 5 chicks lined up, what could one of them do to seduce you more than the others (assuming they ALL have agreed to have sex with you (but you can only pick one) ).

Anywaze... be confident. Talk about what you're GOING to do to me! Make moaning sounds if possible... hmmmmmm... gotta go...
(FAP FAP FAP)

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
THAT'S GENIOUS!! Mind if I steal it!? But you definately WOULD want to top that off with a hotel room (and what the hell is wrong with a motel/you!!! )!

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Then only hotel I could book was a marriot and it was business class. I didnt want a shitty room. Besides we lived together in our own place. So when she tore out of the house to go to the mall I put a bunch of candles out on doilies and rose pedals from the door, up the stairs, and to the bedroom. I had found some imitation satin sheets that kinda fit the bed. I couldnt find any real ones that werent like 񘍔.

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Originally posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d:

Is this the kinda stuff that girls like?

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Yeah. It is. Definitely. *swoon* No more questions, your honor.

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Originally posted by LiNeY:
Yeah. It is. Definitely. *swoon* No more questions, your honor.

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You wanna know the shittiest part. For her birthday in january (23rd) I took her to disney world cause she had never been there, and I was 10 the last time I was there. So we took alot of pictures at the same places from 10 years earlier and had a good old time. We got in a fight last month over her not being prepared (she got a flat tire, ran out of gas, killed her battery, and didnt have a spare tire) and she broke up with me. She cleaned out her stuff from our house and I havent seen her since. Oh yea I forgot to add that after dinner we went dancing at the ritz in tysons corner. I now have a new hate for tuxedos.

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She didn't deserve you, man.

Point 2, what did she do for you in return? And I don't necessarily mean big extravagant stuff, just curious if you were another victim of a one-sided relationship. If so, you have my sympathy.

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
As for the seducing, I think LiNeY meant to say, if there was 5 chicks lined up, what could one of them do to seduce you more than the others (assuming they ALL have agreed to have sex with you (but you can only pick one) ).

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Easy

"Ill bring 2 of the others here with me"

I can only pick one, she can bring all the friends she wants

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Originally posted by Observer:
L33T, if you don't mind my asking, what was her first name? It would appear that we share the same birthday. I knew a couple of girls with by birthdate; it would just be another entry in the "weird coincidences" book.

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Originally posted by Observer:

Point 2, what did she do for you in return? And I don't necessarily mean big extravagant stuff, just curious if you were another victim of a one-sided relationship. If so, you have my sympathy.

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Well in the begining we had a really good relationship. Then things went down hill. She didnt have it bad. She had a part time job to pay for her school and her gas. She lived with me, i paid rent, bought food, paid for whatever weekend stuff we did. All I was looking for was someone to love me and want to spend time with me. I guess she got bored so she moved on. Its better I find out now, rather than later. I prefer to have a girlfriend who wants a serious relationship. It provides a little stability. But hey, thats just me. Its seems no matter what I do that I get shafted in the end so Im kinda used to it now. I had a week long vacation in spain planned for our anniversary this year so I guess its best that we broke up befor that. It would suck to go there and fight.

All you girls out there.. Answer me this?

Why do nice guys always get shafted?

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Radio Dj: so now that your not on saturday night live what are you gonna do?

Jim Bruer: I dont know.. fight mexicans or something.

FUHAOHB2IPDEFCIPUDQNFQFYLOEGOGB

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Radio Dj: so now that your not on saturday night live what are you gonna do?

Jim Bruer: I dont know.. fight mexicans or something.

FUHAOHB2IPDEFCIPUDQNFQFYLOEGOGB

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Originally posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d:
She had a part time job to pay for her school and her gas. She lived with me, i paid rent, bought food, paid for whatever weekend stuff we did.

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She's a whore and you're a pussy! SHEEESH!

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basically, it takes a guy who can appreciate me for being me.

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'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
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Originally posted by kuru:
i'm not much for the romantic kind of stuff, but i really like it when i can go shooting or hiking or something with a dude and he doesn't freak out about me getting dirty and sweaty. it's also good if he can look at my sunburn and raccoon rings (from the sunglasses), covered in dirt, wearing the oldest rattiest clothes i own, like i'm sexier than a playboy centerfold.

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Hummm finally, i think i've found the real identity of Kuru: Lara Croft!!!!

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
She's a whore and you're a pussy! SHEEESH!

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Hahahahahahah, dude, that is classic.

surely it takes a man w/ real balls to buy beds for friends.

and arranging some formulaic shit you heard about somewhere is not romantic. I'm sure you don't even know WHY satin sheets would be desirable.

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Originally posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d:
Hows that?

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She's going to college and living for free in YOUR house. She is living off YOUR paycheck. She is taking all this stuff from YOU royalty free. If this IS a MUTUAL relationship, she is also GIVING you something in return. Assuming that you had sex, she is GIVING you sex in return for your financial support. Therefore: SHE is a whore.

You are getting USED by a chick who you'd like to belive is your girlfriend. You don't realize that the only reason SHE is with you is to steal your money. You don't even notice the odvious fact that she left you AFTER she finished school! Therefore: YOU are a pussy.

Can I be any clearer? I'm not saying you suck... I'm just labeling you. The nice thing about being a pussy is that unlike being stupid... you can change. And the first step to recovery is recognizing the problem.

EDIT: Kinda cool how this all fits under seduction.

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Originally posted by cr0bar:
I'm glad we could all be here to take part in PersonGuy's revelation.

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on June 16, 2001 at 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by kuru:
basically, it takes a guy who can appreciate me for being me.

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Right. Damn right. You name it.

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
She's a whore and you're a pussy! SHEEESH!

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Hows that? I had my own place and she just lived there. As a matter of fact I bought an extra bed for my friends who wanted to get away from home. There was always someone at the house, they just had to fight over the spare bed if they wanted to spend the night. And how is it being a pussy if you help your girlfriend get her degree?

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Originally posted by LiNeY:
Then they are not really nice girls, l33t. Just pretending to be nice and behaving that way usually doesn't make a girl a really nice girl! If she is really nice (and clever!) she is not gonna shaft a guy like you.

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:

She's going to college and living for free in YOUR house. She is living off YOUR paycheck. She is taking all this stuff from YOU royalty free. If this IS a MUTUAL relationship, she is also GIVING you something in return. Assuming that you had sex, she is GIVING you sex in return for your financial support. Therefore: SHE is a whore.

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She lived with her mother for the first year we were dating, so her living with me was not a big jump. She didnt have the money to pay rent with and her mother was in debt big time. So her moving out of the house was getting her closer to school and helping her mother out. Plus we were really close. And it was kinda nice to come home and have someone cooking dinner sometimes.

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:

You are getting USED by a chick who you'd like to belive is your girlfriend. You don't realize that the only reason SHE is with you is to steal your money. You don't even notice the odvious fact that she left you AFTER she finished school! Therefore: YOU are a pussy.

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When we started dating she didnt even know that I was rather well off. She dated me for me. Our first couple of dates were picnics and going to dc for the paddle boats. She said to me "Why dont I pay and we can go see a movie since you dont have much cash?" It wasnt that I didnt have any, I just didnt flash it all around. So she didnt know about that. Second, SHE DIDNT FINISH SCHOOL. We only dated for 2 years, and she only lived with me for 1. Shes still in school.

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:

Can I be any clearer? I'm not saying you suck... I'm just labeling you. The nice thing about being a pussy is that unlike being stupid... you can change. And the first step to recovery is recognizing the problem.

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So trying to help someone you care for is being a pussy? Sorry but I see being a pussy as letting someone else run your life. That is far from what happened to me.

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You're just as much a mooch target as her mom... what's your point? It doesn't matter HOW MUCH money you have... you gave her SOME finantial support! What did she ever (will she ever) give you?? ZIP! WHORE!

I have a TON of friends (males and females) but I have NEVER given ONE of them any money that I didn't expect back. I loaned 赨 to my brother and 赨 to my old room mate. I EXCPECT to see it returned... PERIOD. PUSSY!

Jury?

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
Not good enough...

You're just as much a mooch target as her mom... what's your point? It doesn't matter HOW MUCH money you have... you gave her SOME finantial support! What did she ever (will she ever) give you?? ZIP! WHORE!

I have a TON of friends (males and females) but I have NEVER given ONE of them any money that I didn't expect back. I loaned 赨 to my brother and 赨 to my old room mate. I EXCPECT to see it returned... PERIOD. PUSSY!

Jury?

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So you are telling me that if your wife were to ask you for ŭ you would ask her for it back a week later? We werent married but like I said we were very close. We probably would have gotten married in the next year or so if this hadnt of happened. Im glad I found out now that she did this kind of stuff. Just because I let her stay with me doesnt make me a pussy. Anyways she cleaned alot and the money that saved me on a maid was enough for her part of the rent.

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It doesn't sound like your judgment is all that great. If something as random as a flat tire hadn't krep up you would have married that bitch! She'd probably bite your penis off if you accidently spilled milk on the rug!

So who was your maid before SHE came? What did you tell your old maid? "I'm firing you because my new... <whisper>m a i d</whisper> is moving in with me..."

And mabey it's more whore than pussy... mabey more pussy than whore... but there's at least a little pussy and whore in this situation. I guess the ratio would look like this:

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pussy    sex
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 sex    whore

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The more sex you got the less a pussy you are and the more a whore she is. If you got NO sex then she's a GENIOUS (not a whore) your pussydom is SO GREAT that it's undefinable!

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Radio Dj: so now that your not on saturday night live what are you gonna do?

Jim Bruer: I dont know.. fight mexicans or something.

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:

code:

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pussy    sex
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 sex    whore

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now do the cross multiplication
pussy * whore = sex * sex
so whore with a pussy = (sex)^2
(just remembering that girls are evil picture)

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- Ralph Whigham

PG, WTF would you know about a real relationship? Ever been in one?

Sometimes you do things for people for the same reasons you do things to people. It just feels right at the time.

L337, you did the right thing and got screwed. it happens to all of us and it will happen to this kid. It may even cause him to pull his head out of his ass.

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l33t, I think you did the right thing. Don't let PG get to you.

PG... caring for people doesn't have to do with being a pussy. You'll learn that lesson someday, too (hopefully).

/me hides behind his morals and principles once again

I'd rather get screwed over and be a nice guy than be a wanker. Any day of the week!

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Originally posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d:
Where im from we call people like you "DICK"s.

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Oh, my... you've got me ALL wrong!

I have this theory when it comes to helping people. "If it takes me 5 minutes to you 30, then why the hell not?"

Example 1: I'm opening a door and someones right behind me. I'll hold it for them to save them the trouble of opening it again. But, if they're 7 seconds behind me, there's NO FUCKING WAY I'm going to hold it for 7 seconds when it only takes them 1 second to open it themselves!

Example 2: If I give a bum one dollar, that means more to him than me. What was I going to buy... 3 candy bars??? FUCK ME! Let the man get some hot soup!

Example 3: One of the guys who used to work with me didn't have a car. It was a 30 minute walk to his house. But I gave him a ride EVERY day cause it was just a 2 minute detour from where I usually go anyway.

Example 4: MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY times I let people crash at my place! I don't see any reason not to let them.

Example 5: One time I piced up some hitch hikers. They're going the SAME WAY as me. So if I drop them 30 miles further where I get off the Interstate, they've gained 30 miles... and I've lost NOTHING. In fact... I get to drive in the car pool lane.

Example 6: I FUCKING SAID I LOAN MY FRIENDS HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS AT A TIME! Is there something WONG with me for wanting it back later on????

Example 7: I payed thousands of dollars and posed as a door mat to get some chick part-way through her own schooling ambitions. OH WAIT! ... Sorry... that was YOU, PUSSY! My bad...

You want to help her? Let her crash at your place? FINE! Let her have a few breakfasts? FINE! But I don't see how buying her dresses and dinners or even giving her more than 10 days to get on her feet is HELPING. That's just being exploited!!! DO you WANT to be exploited? FINE! But when you won't ADMIT that you were... that makes you a pussy!!

And BTW... NO I haven't gotten laid. That's because I haven't shelled out THOUNDS OF DOLLAR AND MAN HOURS for it! Not that it's ALWAYS that way...

This Alaskan chick I dated: she was such a slut, and she broke up with me BECAUSE I didn't want to DO her after only one week dating!! I had the option andI didn't take it, cause I didn't have protection on hand. At least I'm using my brain before I make desitions and not letting poon cloud my judgment!!

As far as relationships, I've been it quite a few. Some very healthy... others... not so healthy. I've had an EXTREAMLY diverse experience with life, and I feel that this is one topic is one that I can comment on whether I've gotten laid or not!

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on June 20, 2001 at 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by LiNeY:
l33t, you were right. It was not your fault things went wrong. That girl must have been even stupider than stupid.

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Actually... like I said... she's a GENIOUS! She can pull the same free ride stunt as many times as there are pussys in America! I'D SAY SHE'S SET FOR LIFE!

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Originally posted by LiNeY:
PG... caring for people doesn't have to do with being a pussy. You'll learn that lesson someday, too (hopefully).

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I already know that. But you don't have to PAY for someones living expences to CARE for someone!

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"Thank you, God, for giving us leotards." -Koichi
-< PersonGuy >

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Originally posted by incubus:
I was a gentleman, I was nice, and at least I can say that I was! I'd rather get screwed over and be a nice guy than be a wanker.

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I think there's some middle ground between screwed-over and wanker! For example: me. I'm a gentleman and extreamly nice to all my friends/girl friends! But will I put them through college? NO WAY! FUCK THAT! WHY SHOULD I!? I have my money to spend and goals to reack! If I won the 88 million dollar lottery whould I put them through college? OF COURSE I WOULD!!

Anyway... Like I've said, L33T. If you got a buttload of sex, you're off the hook on the grounds of buying a non-skank hooker. That is the ONLY way this is OK in my mind.

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
But will I put them through college? NO WAY! FUCK THAT! WHY SHOULD I!? I have my money to spend and goals to reack! If I won the 88 million dollar lottery whould I put them through college? OF COURSE I WOULD!!

Anyway... Like I've said, L33T. If you got a buttload of sex, you're off the hook on the grounds of buying a non-skank hooker. That is the ONLY way this is OK in my mind.

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That is completly ass backwards. Her living with me did not cost me an extra dime. What little bit more food she ate was no different that going out to dinner a couple times a month. Like I said, we dated for a year befor she moved in with me. It was a serious relationship. If I can do something nice for somebody I care about with out it costing me a damn thing, its not even a question. I did not pay for her school and I did not pay for her expenses. If you cant understand the difference you have alot to learn.

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Jim Bruer: I dont know.. fight mexicans or something.

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Originally posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d:
Her living with me did not cost me an extra dime.

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SHE SHOULD HAVE PAYED HALF!!
But... a NEARLY FREE live-in hooker... hrm... I'll admit missjudged you. However, that STILL makes her a CHEAP whore.

Anywaze... If she COULDN'T pay then... she she pay you back when she has the money! Sure, my friends have given me favors and helped me out, but I make it a POINT to repay them the SECOND that I can!

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on June 20, 2001 at 09:20 PM

anyway PG the point is that they were in a relationship she wasn't just some slut he found in a bar. :-\

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
[BIf she COULDN'T pay then... she she pay you back when she has the money! Sure, my friends have given me favors and helped me out, but I make it a POINT to repay them the SECOND that I can![/B]

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Fuck that. Thats being a dick. If its no skin off my nose then I dont give a shit. Hence the expenses I had while dating her befor she moved in and after she moved in were the same. If she needed help and it didnt cost me anything theres not even a hesitation in my mind. BTW did you repay your parents for the 18 years you lived with them?

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Jim Bruer: I dont know.. fight mexicans or something.

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Originally posted by L33T_h4x0r_d00d:
BTW did you repay your parents for the 18 years you lived with them?

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As far as I'm conserned, they aren't my friend. I didn't chose them. To me they represnt a lottery jackpot (a very LOW jackpot), not a helping hand. Besides... it'll eventually even-out in therapy bills. All they need to do is buy stock in a therapy company to get their damn money back!

Anyway... no this doesn't have to do with getting screwed over by a chick or two and I take back the pussy thing. YOU HEAR ME!? I take it back! But I still think she's a whore. Even if YOU weren't spending anything, she WAS saving TONS of money and that means she's using sex for personal gain.

Back to the topic... why did she NEED your help? What was wrong with her parent's house?

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Originally posted by kornalldaway:
he has lots of cash form what i've read so far. so why not help someone out, especially if it doesn't cost u much.

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to me the 迀 a month for her half wouldnt have added up to much. Its better off in her hands where she can buy school books, and food. We did alot of fun things that she wouldnt have had the money for. We took a couple of trips and used to eat out once a week.(MMMMM Matsutaki in herndon worldgate is some goddamn good eatin) The reason I paid is because I wanted to do the things and I wanted company. I could give a fuck about the money, all I care about is that now we broke up. And that sucks.

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l33t- you are a good guy and she is very foolish for letting go of you. Some girls are just like that, they dont know what they want and even if they do- they manage to mess it up anyway. You deserve someone better. I am glad there are guys around like you- it gives women hope that not all the decent ones are married or gay.

Its a good thing you found this out about her now rather than after you were married or something. Things tend to become more difficult when legally binded.

You shouldnt have to defend your actions to PG or anyone else here. You are obviously a good friend and loyal and those qualities are extremely respectable. Dont let anyone tell you different.

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L'absence est à l'amour ce qu'est au feu le vent; Il éteint le petit, il allume le grand.
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Originally posted by Chrissy:
You also represent whats wrong with men today

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HOW SO? Are you saying that I have to toss around cash and provide free housing for chicks to be a decent guy!? Screw you!

How about MY finantial pits? Is my girlfriend a bitch for not housing ME? NO! At least she has some sense of responsibility and can pay her own bills. You women scream about equal rights and then expect me to pay the bills! Again... SCREW YOU!

College is a PERSONAL ambition. If my girlfriend needs a job for a house, she can quit school. Why should I be forced into moving ahead and LIVING with her JUST BECAUSE she chooses to go to college!? That's total bullshit!

And if this is all about kindness, why isn't she STILL living with him?? Doesn't he want to HELP her!? Why should it matter that they're dating if he JUST wants to HELP!?

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Originally posted by Chrissy:
You shouldnt have to defend your actions to PG or anyone else here.

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I'm glad he did! Pathetic as they are, at least I now UNDERSTAND and can accept his reasoning. Also I missunderstood about her still being in college and that made a HUGE difference in my perspective on this.

EDIT: And BTW... it's ME defending MY comments here! All I said was 'pussy' and 'whore'.

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on June 21, 2001 at 07:10 PM

::feels really emotional right now::

I'll pay if I take her to dinner. But if SHE picks the restraunt, SHE pays. In effect, she would be taking ME out to dinner sometimes. And it's not as much about that acutal monitary value as the principal of splitting favors. Does it have to be equal? No. But I don't see ANY reason why I should have to pay for every single date. In fact, there SHOULD be a random possiblity that I might even end up spending less total.

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Hmm... I hate when you start to rant but then you get so caught up in what you are currently typing, you forgot which direction it was headed...

Anyway, I hope you see my point. And PG, I kind of see where you're coming from, that you do things for the girl, they should do things for you... but I just don't see it like that.

If I am in a mutual relationship, why should I pay?

I'm willing to bet that you've never dated me. Therefore you have NO IDEA of how much a gentalman I am. Therefore you have NO IDEA of how romantic a person I am. I treat my girlfriends with honor, respect, and loyalty. However I will not PAY for them! Does that make me a cheap-skate?? And if so... What does that make the bitch who's syph0ning YOUR wallet??

I stand for equality!

Will I hold open a door? Damn strait! If I get there first. But if she gets there 3 seconds before me and WAITS for ME to open the door, that's BULL SHIT! Will I take her out? Yes! Will I take her out EVERY TIME? NO! And frankly, I don't see why I should.

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on July 22, 2001 at 09:36 PM

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Originally posted by miNus:
This may be an old concept and might be considered too conservative for some of you here, but I believe in being a gentleman. You know, opening the door for her, take her out to dinner, buy her stuff. Just plain treat her like royalty. It doesn't always have to be something of monetary value, but it usually makes girls feel special.

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/me melts away

Are there no other guys like that, do I simply not know them, or am I living in the wrong country?

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
I'm willing to bet that you've never dated me.

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You know, PG, not every relationship is about sex. Sure, if you both feel ready for it, go ahead. But just because you are dating a girl doesn't automatically mean that you are going to get to have sex with her.

DISCLAIMER: The following post contains views that may be considered sexist, but ARE NOT.

Guys have always been the dominant ones, the ones who bring home the money. Even though in today's world, there are many women who make as much money as men, we are still the dominant sex. Maybe the only reason we pay is because it's tradition. We always had to kind of snare women with money, which really isn't the case today (depends on your relationship, I guess). If I've got the money, why shouldn't I pay most of the time? I mean, as long as she doesn't come to depend on me paying and expect me to pay every time, I see nothing wrong with that. But I don't consider buying dinner buying sex.

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Originally posted by miNus:
This may be an old concept and might be considered too conservative for some of you here, but I believe in being a gentleman. You know, opening the door for her, take her out to dinner, buy her stuff. Just plain treat her like royalty. It doesn't always have to be something of monetary value, but it usually makes girls feel special.

Hmm... I hate when you start to rant but then you get so caught up in what you are currently typing, you forgot which direction it was headed...

Anyway, I hope you see my point. And PG, I kind of see where you're coming from, that you do things for the girl, they should do things for you... but I just don't see it like that.

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Im pretty good at being a gentlemen. All of the women Ive dated have received special treatment. Ive even shaved that thang for them when they didnt feel like doing it.

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But just because you are dating a girl doesn't automatically mean that you are going to get to have sex with her.

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Which is EXACTLY why I'd be better off making a B-Line for the brothel.

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Originally posted by muNus:
You know, PG, not every relationship is about sex.

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Ok then... here's ANOTHER analogy:
If I want to throw my money away, I'll go to the Office Depot and buy a shredder. Then I'll close my bank acount, shred all the cash, and finally throw away the shredder.

If the ONLY reason a chick will date you is BECAUSE you'll pay for everying ANANANANANAND there's not sex involed then you have just paid for 100\% pure nothing, except a money grubbing chick pretending to like you. I can get THAT at a strip club.

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Oh, please!

Personally, if I had the choice between a chick who payed all my bills OR a chick I loved that will be my equal... honestly, I might be tempted to go with the money.

ACORDING TO EVERYONE ELSE: my affection == the amount of $$$ I spend on you
THAT IS TOTAL BULL SHIT!

I've said it before... I'll say it again... I treat my girlfriends like they are the pinical of human perfection and the ONLY important thing in the world... as long as that doesn't include paying for EVERYTHING!

I will NOT buy you flowers... I will pick them on the side of the road: which by the way requires a LOT more thought and effort than dropping ฤ at E Flowers . Com and picking a predisigned mini-card.

I will NOT buy you to a 贄 plate of veal... I'll whip-up my infamous award winning (yes, litterally) Crapparoni Omlet: which by the way requires YEARS of practice and perfection.

I will NOT buy you a 踰 pair of shoes... I'll stalk Eddie Murfy (or whoever your favorite celeb is) and get him to sign a ุ (notice: I WILL spend money, just not outragious amounts) pair: which by the way takes alot more planning and personal knowlege.

I will NOT buy you a boob job... I'll complement your perfectly sized natural breasts: which by the way bla bla bla bla bla.

If this is unreasonable... if this is unfair... if this is unlogical, unsensitive, uncaring, unethical, ungentalmenly... then you don't want a REALATIONSHIP... you want MONEY. You want money? SURE! TAKE ALL YOU WANT! BUT NOT FROM ME! Go get it from that whipped pussy of a nutless insecure fool that you call a boyfriend.

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on July 23, 2001 at 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by Spydir about Dysorderia :
oh fuck it, you're to ignorant and self indulged to even consider anything other then "I'm from england and I hate americans and humans are killing the earth and blah-de-fucking-blah-blah".

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On that note, PG, your philosophy is really fucked up. You think relationships fall into one of two categories (this is how I see it at least, please correct me if I am wrong):
A) One person pays for everything, other person mooches off of said first person. All person one wants is sex. All person two wants is money.
B) Person one and person two share expenses equally.

That's not how it is. Take case A) for example. Just because I pay for something doesn't mean that: A) All she is thinking about is the money and B) All I am thinking about is the sex. It doesn't work like that man. If I pay for dinner, it's because I want to pay for dinner. If she has sex, it's because she wants to have sex*. (* I'm sure there are exceptions to this though, and it sure sounds like you've been fucked over once too many times by those exceptions.)

Also PG, a comment about: "Which is EXACTLY why I'd be better off making a B-Line for the brothel."

So you wouldn't go out with a girl if you explicitly knew that you would not be having sex together as long as you dated? Can there not be more, something ABOVE sex?

-miNus

Man, trying to wrap my mind around your philosphy is like trying to solve a rubrix cube 3 miles long a side...

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If I pay for dinner, it's because I want to pay for dinner.

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So you get you kicks paying for dinner, huh? Why do you need a girl friend? Walk into a restraunt... pic a random customer and offer to pick up the check. Hell, I'd be flattered if you started paying for MY dinners. And since you enjoy it so much... why the hell not!?

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If she has sex, it's because she wants to have sex.

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This is a false compairson between paying for dinner and having sex. In theory, BOTH people enjoy and beniefit from sex. Sure, both people enjou and beniefit from dinner... but the part where ONE person pays destroys the balance.

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So you wouldn't go out with a girl if you explicitly knew that you would not be having sex together as long as you dated?

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If I understand the question, you're asking (and I may be miss understanding): If I KNEW that a girl would NEVER have a sexual relationship with me, but she was perfect in every OTHER way... would I consider dating her exclusively?

No. I wouldn't. I think sex is an extreamly important part of a relationship, and I wouldn't want to be in one where it was specifically denied.

And on the flipside: If you knew that the ONLY reason a girl would have a sexual relationship with you is because you pay for everything, would you date her?

And I'll explain this again... a hooker is a PROFESSIONAL. It is her JOB to please me sexually. Therefore I have no reason to PAY an sexual AMATURE if I can simply pay for a hotter PROFESSIONAL without all the time-waisting dating-game-forplay and emotioal attachment issues.

And by the way. If I was born 100 years ago I would have been on your side miNus. At that time it made sense for men to have the money and women to have the pussy. We have made change after change after change. Women can vote... women can get any job they want... women can own proporty... women can represent in court... etc etc. We CHANGED these old fasion values because it was the right thing to do in support of the rights of women, and personally I back THAT 100\%!

The problem I have is that women get rid of all the CRAP values we used to have about them, but FORCE us to keep the ones that benifit them. Paying for dinner is just one example. The Engagement ring is another (but I don't even want to get into that). The point is that women have as much right to get a job and earn a living JUST like men and I don't see ANY reason why I should continue to have to pay for their meals in this "equal" society.

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on July 23, 2001 at 10:26 PM

Would you eat a girl out?

And BTW, now that I know that you see sex to be an important part of a relationship, I think I kind of see where you're coming from. Doesn't mean I agree, but I see where you're coming from.

edit: I'm just going to give you less and less material to quote from until you are quoting empty posts!

This message has been edited by miNus on July 23, 2001 at 11:13 PM

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edit: I'm just going to give you less and less material to quote from until you are quoting empty posts!

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rofl ...

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Would you eat a girl out?

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ABSOLUTELY! I wouldn't even expect reciprication, because I take pleasure in pleasing. HOWEVER, I don't think I could get involed with a girl who was resolved to NEVER give BJs.

And just to clairy for the mad baggers who emailed me... NO! I'VE NEVER GOTTEN ANYTHING FROM A HOOKER! Infact I never PLAN on it! Notice in all my posts I use the phrase, "IF I want..." Notice how I've also talk about shredding all my money. I don't want EITHER.

Anyway, enough of my bitching... I'm actually kind of thankful for all this arguing, cause it's given me a chance to think about and define my own views and values for myself.

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