I love my computer. I love burritos. I love my cat. I love the Matrix. I love my girlfriend.

I feel very differently about all of those things... I don't have to take care of burritos, or the Matrix, for example. Love of things like that is simple and easily understood : "love" meaning "receive pleasure from." Passive love is easy to define.

"Love" can also be an active thing : providing certain things to the, uh, thing you love. Yeah, yeah, it's a circular definition, but here are some examples :

My cat requires food and affection and being wrapped in a towel and hauled off to the vet now and then, and if I kick her (gently, and only when she gets in my way and won't move) I feel kind of bad.

My computer requires a monthly dusting and a defrag and an occasionally upgrade. I only feel bad if I kick it and break something, and quite frankly I feel bad for myself, not for it.

My girlfriend requires affection, sex, emotional support, intelligent conversation, entertainment, and other things. When I kick her she kicks me back twice as hard so I don't do it. (Disclaimer : Just 'cause I kick my girlfriend from time to time doesn't make me an ABUSIVE MAN like you see on TV all the time. Play fighting is fun!!!)

Someone else toss in their Ũ.02, I'm better at being Devil's Advocate...

In some, it's the pleasure of being next to someone. For others, they need the other person in their mind constantly to even breathe in and out.

Love's unique, which is why it hasn't got old after a couple million years of being in use.

Mike

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As I chase the leaves like the words I never find ...

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brodie

Now every face, it looks familiar...
then every face would melt away until now...
everyone, do you know, I know your deception?
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""spoken
>fat lady singer
*back up singers
Done with a Trombone, Baratone, and Jazzy Drum Set and sounds something like a mix of Zoot Suit Riot, Never Had A Friend Like ME (Aladin), and Cry If I Want To
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>I HATE LOVE!
*Woohoo
>I HATE LOVE!
*Yes it's true.
*>I HATE LOVE, yes I do...

>Flower stink, and the sight of hearts will make me green.
I hate pink. It makes me PUKE, and kissing makes me scream.

*ooooohhhhhhHHHHH!
>I HATE LOVE!
*Yah-hoo.
>I HATE LOVE!
*Yes it's true.

>I hate it in the morning and I hate it in the night.
I hate it when it's dark and even when it's light.
I hate it when it's warm, and I hate it when it's cold.
I hated it when I was young, I'll hate it when I'm old.

>oh I HATE LOVE!
*Biggidy-boo...
*She hates love.
>"You know it's true!

>I hate it while I'm eating. I hate it while I sleep.
I hate it cause it makes me cra, and meakes me wanna weep.
If I could destry any emotion that I wish.
I'd smake down love, and blow it up, cause it just smells like fish.

>I HATE LOVE and I HATE LOVE!
*She hates love, and she hates love.
*>Oh, I HATE LOVE, how 'bout YOU?

-music stops-

(Nerdy kid): "You know... I hate love to... wanna go out tonight...
>"Uhhh... ok..."
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Hehe, actually I'm in love with being in love. And at the moment I feel like I'm in love with someone. I actually defined love one time in a paragraph, but I'll have to dig that up for yas...

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Ice age coming Ice age coming
Throw it into the fire Throw it into the fire
Idioteque, by Radiohead - Kid A

This message has been edited by Rhydant on October 09, 2000 at 08:08 AM

but that doesnt stop me from thinking about fucking them

if the thought of not being able to see respective partner makes you wanna die, it's love. if you're happy to spend time together without caring if you have sex or not, it's love. if you'd do anything within your power for the person, it's love.

thank you, and that was MY £0.0136480

--directhex

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The master has no need for money. And yet he sits and counts it. As a meditation.
-The Book of Cataclysm

Love is when you are willing to give up control of a part of your life, when you are willing to let your own thought and desires be subordinated to the feelings of another. In a real love situation, both people are willing to trust the other and to give up doing what they want to do in favor of what the person they love wants to do. However, in doing this you are actually doing what you want to do most, because what you most want to do is to please the other person.

Language is rather inadequate for this sort of thing. All of the most important parts of life turn out almost impossible to define; they are things that you can feel, but not articulate. Perhaps what I am trying to say could best be summed up as follows:

Love is losing yourself in something or someone else. And love is finding yourself and your purpose in life in that person or that cause or that belief.

Madness, I tell you, madness.

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Ice age coming Ice age coming
Throw it into the fire Throw it into the fire
Idioteque, by Radiohead - Kid A

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Originally posted by DuSTman:
Love was recently classed as a mental disorder, due to the way it can affect your reasoning, etc.

Madness, I tell you, madness.

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If it's the same study I heard about, researchers determined that being in love is pretty much the same head chemistry as people with severe obsessive-compulsive disorder.

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Originally posted by askheaves:
If it's the same study I heard about, researchers determined that being in love is pretty much the same head chemistry as people with severe obsessive-compulsive disorder.

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God damn pyschiatrists... when are they going to figure out that there is more to a happy life than brain chemistry and "wellness?"

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From Directhex:
thank you, and that was MY £0.0136480

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All I really know about love is that I'm lacking it. When I think about it, I get this feeling in my chest like I'm out of air, and I feel like the tears are just going to start streaming down, which they do sometimes. I just get so lonely sometimes, that I can feel what I can't. Do you understand that? Like, I can sense when something is missing, without experiencing it.

Throughout my life I've had the ability to look upon myself from a different point of view. I've been able to look at other people from a different point of view. And it's truly enlightening. And when I see people in love with each other, I can almost feel what they're feeling. It's like, I can think of what would compell me to do something that they're doing, and what they would be thinking about at the same time.

I just don't want to be lonely anymore. I just don't understand. I'm cute, smart, have a good future in an evergrowing workplace, and I just want love. Why am I so lonely?

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Originally posted by Evil_Monkey:
I only wish I knew. I'm somewhat of a classical romantic. I was the kid that would pass poems in 6th grade. And not cheesy ones, real shakespearan shit. But I just don't know what it is. Girls say I'm cute, but I refuse to believe it when I'm getting dogged so damn much.

All I really know about love is that I'm lacking it. When I think about it, I get this feeling in my chest like I'm out of air, and I feel like the tears are just going to start streaming down, which they do sometimes. I just get so lonely sometimes, that I can feel what I can't. Do you understand that? Like, I can sense when something is missing, without experiencing it.

Throughout my life I've had the ability to look upon myself from a different point of view. I've been able to look at other people from a different point of view. And it's truly enlightening. And when I see people in love with each other, I can almost feel what they're feeling. It's like, I can think of what would compell me to do something that they're doing, and what they would be thinking about at the same time.

I just don't want to be lonely anymore. I just don't understand. I'm cute, smart, have a good future in an evergrowing workplace, and I just want love. Why am I so lonely?

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ü§îñg |³³t§þËåk Ðö˧ ñöt måkË ¥öü å Hå×0®!
I love Kari p00h! :)

This one time, when I was a little kid, we were coming back home from a trip or something, and it was getting late, and we decided to eat out. I really wanted to have a hot dog, cause like I said early, I could just recall how I felt when it was sooooo nicely cooked and tasted so awesome, so I was psyched and hungry for a hot dog.

Being the pampered little shit that I was, we went looking for a restaurant that served hot dogs (I don't like being pampered, or spoiled, so to avoid this, I rarely speak to my parents). We went to two with no luck. My dad got angry and decided we were just going out for pizza. I coped with it, thought about how good pizza would be, and got pretty psyched about that.

We got to the restaurant, looked in the menus, and guess what was there? You guessed it, hot dogs! My dad informed me, and what did I do? I passed. I decided to eat the pizza, because I had cleared the desire to eat the hot dog from my mind and focused on the pizza.

Why do I remember this? I have no clue. Your guess is as good as mine. I remember lots of obscure stuff to the finest detail. Maybe it has some profound affect on me, but it seems apropriate for this situation atleast, and I believe it has affected my logic since then. So do you get what I'm saying?

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Kari p00h
*GF of Caseman984*

The thing is, the more lonely you feel the less hope you have... and while that sounds really upseting, what I'm trying to say is cheer up! Just keep your eyes open, and it'll hit you when you least expect it!

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<P:\>erson\Guy.exe -PersonGuy *pERSONgUY.cfg
< http://www.personguy.com >

You're sad because you discovered that something you've belived your entire life is not true... the longer it takes to realize, the bigger is the pain... like, you find out there's no Santa Claus soon, and your parents will keep giving you gifts, but when a girl gets laid her first time and it's different from the movies it can make them depressed for a LONG time... but they usually get over it. Get over it as well, man, accept there is no love and find other things to pass the time... I can suggest music, sports, sex, drugs, study, computer games, chocolate, dogs, pizzas, palmtops, trees, carnivals and so on... life isn't important, but it CAN be very fun! Just don't do stuff you will regret later, cuz memory is the only reason we do anything. If we couldn't remember something, what'd be the point on doing it?

WTF, is everyone in here at once!

Burner sux! I'm sure he's fun an happy, but he shouldn't dash the dreams of others.

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< http://www.personguy.com >

This message has been edited by PersonGuy on October 09, 2000 at 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by Burner:
our feelings ARE PURELY SUBSTANCES AND ELECTRICITY GOING THROUGH OUR BRAIN.

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Feelings may be formed from neurological pathways etc. etc. etc. but it's an extraordinarily complex and wondrous reaction. Feelings are much easier to deal with on the level of FEELINGS, not neurology.

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Those who don't believe it are too coward to accept the stupidity of our existence.

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Or, possibly, we are more intelligent than you? Nah. Couldn't be that.

Evil_Monkey, I know how you feel, man... that's a bummer. Just remember that the "love" you're thinking about is an ideal. It's something you'll never actually have, just like you could never draw a "perfect" circle. The real circle is always gonna be a little lopsided, and real love is always complicated and strange. But it's still cool, and there's no point in crying over spilled milk, as they say... Best of luck, bro.

I really don't know what my point is, but I'm NOT sad that I'm controlled by electrical impulses, cause I've known that a long time. However, I do get sad when I get gifts on christmas. Cause then I end up owing them something.

"Burner Sux. He shouldn't be dashing the dreams of others"

FUCK!!! How cool was that? AM I DASHING PEOPLE'S DREAMS??? AM I DISTURBING YOUR LITTLE PERFECT WORLDS??? AM I MAKING YOU THINK???
I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I am sad. My life is "wasted". But at least I KNOW THAT. Someday you'll all realize I was right, and you won't be ready for that... this day I will be already used to my sad condition and will understand the world. Maybe I even find a true meaning for all this shit. Knowledge is power. Read "V for Vendetta". The only life that is worth living is the one where you're not afraid of death. Instead of sticking to stupid objectives, I watch you, I analize human behaviour... and I laugh... I laugh a lot

I bet you're all pissed now. Thank me. I gave you something to direct your anger to.

Kept me from losing sanity...

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Originally posted by Burner:
There is no such thing and that's it. We feel sexual attractiveness and necessity to settle down, because we are lazy. That's what cause marriages, for example.
And yes: our feelings ARE PURELY SUBSTANCES AND ELECTRICITY GOING THROUGH OUR BRAIN. Those who don't believe it are too coward to accept the stupidity of our existence.
There is no purpose nor meaning in life, so stop making up stuff like "love" because someday it falls down and you will get depressed. Wether you run away with religion, "love", become a drug-addict, or sex-addict; or you ACCEPT our destiny and ACCEPT that our lifes are not worthy.
It's not easy, but it takes away all fears.
Keep on moving. At least you can move the air in your path.

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Originally posted by Burner:
"Evil_Monkey: Then why am I so sad, Burner?"

You're sad because you discovered that something you've belived your entire life is not true... the longer it takes to realize, the bigger is the pain... like, you find out there's no Santa Claus soon, and your parents will keep giving you gifts, but when a girl gets laid her first time and it's different from the movies it can make them depressed for a LONG time... but they usually get over it. Get over it as well, man, accept there is no love and find other things to pass the time... I can suggest music, sports, sex, drugs, study, computer games, chocolate, dogs, pizzas, palmtops, trees, carnivals and so on... life isn't important, but it CAN be very fun! Just don't do stuff you will regret later, cuz memory is the only reason we do anything. If we couldn't remember something, what'd be the point on doing it?

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< http://boomgames.com >

Founder < http://tucb.com/ >

Do I detect a sense of cockiness within your demeanor?

Careful with those thoughts... they almost drove me insane. Then I realized that I really don't give a shit how life works on the inside, unless I'm depressed, when I try to just say "it's a chemical; control it".

Lose the ego my friend.

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Originally posted by Burner:
I really don't get it... I didn't say we weren't "real", but that our existence is useless. I believe the Half-Life game IS real, and maybe that's why I like games so much. I only see life as a more complex game than others, and the worst: without a goal. So, we wander around trying to make up our own goals... it IS very stupid if you analize.
I don't believe people who deceive themselves are smart, but if you want to believe in that ( and if that keeps you safe and warm in your blanket of love ) I reaaally don't care.
Cya

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You are the Tyler Durden I once was.

Watch out. I'm warning you again - it almost drove me insane...

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Originally posted by Burner:
hahahahaah

"Burner Sux. He shouldn't be dashing the dreams of others"

FUCK!!! How cool was that? AM I DASHING PEOPLE'S DREAMS??? AM I DISTURBING YOUR LITTLE PERFECT WORLDS??? AM I MAKING YOU THINK???
I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I am sad. My life is "wasted". But at least I KNOW THAT. Someday you'll all realize I was right, and you won't be ready for that... this day I will be already used to my sad condition and will understand the world. Maybe I even find a true meaning for all this shit. Knowledge is power. Read "V for Vendetta". The only life that is worth living is the one where you're not afraid of death. Instead of sticking to stupid objectives, I watch you, I analize human behaviour... and I laugh... I laugh a lot

I bet you're all pissed now. Thank me. I gave you something to direct your anger to.

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Originally posted by Burner:
You're sad because you discovered that something you've belived your entire life is not true...

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my grandparents were married for something like 50 years before my grandfather died about 12 years ago. i think i can honestly say my grandmother still loves him. shit, i would

you are trying to tell us burner that they were together for 50 years merely out of laziness to get another mate?! you are telling us that the emotion that they felt and she undoubtedly still feels is fake? that its all in her imagination?

one day you will (hopefully) find love, and if you dont, then thats your loss man. theres a lot more to life than electical impulses running through our heads

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Originally posted by Burner:
AM I DASHING PEOPLE'S DREAMS??? AM I DISTURBING YOUR LITTLE PERFECT WORLDS??? AM I MAKING YOU THINK???

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No, sorry Burner. You aren't dashing anyone's dreams, or even making people think. You are succeeding in depressing me slightly, and making me feel a bit sorry for you, but my world is not disturbed by your opinion because I know for a fact that you are wrong.

There is more to life than chemicals and electrical impulses flowing through your brain. There is more to life than surviving until you can reproduce, and then trying to pass on your genes to as many people as possible. There is more to life than money or pleasure or fame or power. If you have not experienced that fact, I feel sorry for you, but as for myself, I know that there is more to life than this.

And if love is indeed a dream that can never become a reality, that doesn't keep me from pursuing that dream. Yes, those around me may find what they call "love" in wild dancing and casual sex and empty relationships based on trying to get something out of people, and some may chase after good looks and trophy wives and the belief that all we can do in life is to pursue pleasure and obey our lust...

But I have dreamed of love.

I think Burner has worn out his welcome. Disengage flamethrowers.

Purpose for life: cycle energy, react to stimulus, and reproduce. Yeah... fun.

I couldn't explain love to save my life. My best guess: a great friendship, physical closeness, and a certain dedication to the significant other.

Anyway, if you take a look at
< Philosophy 101 > you'll see that I agree with MANY of the things you're saying! The problem is that you don't even accept the possibility that you could be wrong, and therefore assume that everone else is a bunch of dilusional idiots. Sometimes you have to accept that EVERYONE is dilusional idiots... some more than others, but everyone has their own sence of reatlity. And whatever they choose for themselves is what makes things real to THEM.

Oh, and by saying that Half-Life is real totally contradicts your first statement. Go ahead and belive whatever, but YOUR world is illogical.

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okay then burner. you know what? YOU're the one who's deluding yourself. _I_ used to think that kind of shit for years, whils feeling eerily like the Evil_Monkey whilst nobody was looking. me&my girlfriend have been together now for three months exactly. i agree totally with michael's first post on the subject. and you know what, burner? i wouldn't give a shit if we never had sex again. i'm not bothered. it's a fringe benefit on the main kickass fact that i'm going out with someone who means everything to me. keep that "spread your seed" bullshit outta my face (eewww.... that came out wrong). there's already too many people on this planet, and now you're saying we should screw everything that moves to prove we ain't lazy...

and caseman984, true. i'd given up on looking for love, hadn't tried suicide for at least three months, then *blam* i meet this girl at a thing a friend organised, and it was like *shit*, total match. took me 3 months to build up the self esteem to ask her out tho

keep at it, kiddies. love is there, ready to strike when you least expect it. stick at it, monkey dood.

--directhex

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The master has no need for money. And yet he sits and counts it. As a meditation.
-The Book of Cataclysm

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Originally posted by Burner:
Since you don't want to think about all the problems in the world you think of someone as being everything. If that person leaves you or die, you'll be screwed. Someday you might get annoyed as well, but if your illusion is VERY strong you may have the luck to never do forget her.

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Jeez, man, has it ever occurred to you that it's possible to be madly in love with someone AND think about the world's problems AND do something about them? Those things aren't mutually exclusive, you know. My first love's dad died when she was 10. I learned an awful lot about what happens to kids when dad isn't around to help raise them. Which motivated me to play the role of "daddy" to my friend's six year old daughter, 'cause her biological dad is a complete bum. And my friend is eternally greatful for that, because her little kid isn't going to grow up thinking that ALL men are bums, and the kid isn't going to suffer all the fucked up psychological shit that comes with that. Yeah, sometimes it's a real pain in the ass, but I love my friend and I love her little girl and I wouldn't trade that for anything.

As far as being screwed goes, hell, I can take getting screw over from time to time.

This IS thinking about the world's problems and making a difference. But it won't make any difference to you, since you know for a fact that love is a destructive illusion for cowards that don't want to think.

Get a life and screw a few chicks.

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Originally posted by Burner:
This ain't love... it is addiction... having someone that "means everything" to you is like being addicted to a drug. Since you don't want to think about all the problems in the world you think of someone as being everything. If that person leaves you or die, you'll be screwed. Someday you might get annoyed as well, but if your illusion is VERY strong you may have the luck to never do forget her.

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< http://boomgames.com >

Founder < http://tucb.com/ >

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Originally posted by Burner:
This ain't love... it is addiction... having someone that "means everything" to you is like being addicted to a drug.

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Yes, yes! Exactly! That's exactly my point. Love is an addiction; the only perfect addiction. The entire point of love is that you have given yourself up comletely, that you no longer have control; losing control is always both frightening and exhilarating, and love is no exception. But it is a good addiction, because it isn't just addiction, it's commitment, dedication, loyalty. So if it's an addiction, fine! May such an addiction find me soon! I have always been a control freak, always trying to have the final say in what happens to me, but I will gladly give up all control of my life in the name of love.

I only wish you could see what I've been through, Burner. I wish you could see all the crazy shit I've seen. I don't often explain this, but every once in a while I have visions of the future and different people. And I know it sounds crazy but I met myself and learned alot. I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY! Sorry, no simpler way I can put it, but sometime you gotta step outside yourself to see what's really out there. Just like mine use to, your big fat head blocks alot of your view, and you end up with tunnel vision. Look around in 360-3D and don't stop till you find what you're looking for.

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<P:\>erson\Guy.exe -PersonGuy *pERSONgUY.cfg
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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
Look around in 360-3D and don't stop till you find what you're looking for.

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Burner doesn't know what he's looking for.

But that does not cheapen the way we feel at all. We all know how strong emotions can be, and that everyone has them. This is what gives people value in my eyes. Making someone else _and_ yourself happy is about the best thing you can do in my opinion. It's very very rewarding, even if it "doesn't matter" in the big scheme of things.

I mean, you can go on deluding yourself and thinking that there is a higher purpose and love is some kind of preordained thing, but it's not. The best that we can do is to try and be as happy as possible while making other people feel as happy as they possibly can.

but im rambling..
..love you all! :P

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"Anarchy may not be the best form of government, but it's better than no government at all"

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Originally posted by aventari:
I mean, you can go on deluding yourself and thinking that there is a higher purpose and love is some kind of preordained thing, but it's not.

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I'm not saying that love is preordained or that there's "one special someone" that is chosen out for each person or anything like that. And just because emotions are based on chemicals does not mean that every thought and feeling you have is just automatic and logical like some machine. For me, knowing about all the complicated machinery behind how everything functions makes the world more amazing, not less so. Just because our minds are based in the real, physical world does not mean that our consciousness cannot surpass physics.

Quit wasting your time on him. Either he's a troll or he's one of those nihilist morons who insists on wallowing in self-pity. I had a phase like that (around age 16). What a massive waste of time that was.

--directhex

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The master has no need for money. And yet he sits and counts it. As a meditation.
-The Book of Cataclysm

We don't have a lot of different words for "love" like the eskimos have for snow, but we do have some phrases...

love = caring deeply

falling in love = the sensation that your love for someone is growing

being in love = a feeling of joy about the fact that you love someone, that is shared by another person who loves you

Yes, our feelings are purely substances and electricity going throught the brain, but that is also the essence of what we consider our conciousness. In a sense, the me people know is only the effects my brain has.

I do agree that there is no apparent purpose or meaning in life, basically because if there was something concrete to give us this meaning, then the question of its worth would become the question, (ie, so what if there is a god, without knowing gods purpose and meaning of life it doesn't make our position any more solid).

Love, on the other hand, exists. You seem to be reasoning that people think love is a concept somehow higher than human existence, and that on this level it isn't. Love is a feeling, or group of feelings, that is experienced by people. Yes, just chemical reactions and electrical impulses, but all we experience is that. You can belittle anything by adding the word "just" to the sentence (they just went to the moon, what's the big deal).

Accept that our lifes are not worthy? Worthy of what? If you are judging something to be not worthy then it must be not worthy of something specific. In a sense, the lack of an obvious higher purpose serves to belittle our existence, but the judgement is also of no more absolute substance. Accepting that our lives are not worthy is just depressing yourself unnecessarily. I get the feeling you believe love, and life, are not worthy of you, and this is the judgement you have made.

You're sad because you discovered that something you've belived your entire life is not true... the longer it takes to realize, the bigger is the pain... like, you find out there's no Santa Claus soon, and your parents will keep giving you gifts, but when a girl gets laid her first time and it's different from the movies it can make them depressed for a LONG time... but they usually get over it. Get over it as well, man, accept there is no love and find other things to pass the time... I can suggest music, sports, sex, drugs, study, computer games, chocolate, dogs, pizzas, palmtops, trees, carnivals and so on... life isn't important, but it CAN be very fun! Just don't do stuff you will regret later, cuz memory is the only reason we do anything. If we couldn't remember something, what'd be the point on doing it?

Again, are people really thinking of love as a mystical force, or is this how you percieve it yourself? When a girl gets layed for the first time they may be depressed that the relationship is not the hollywood image that they had imagined, but was there really no feeling? really no attachment there? Yes, I think they may have felt an acffectionate attactment, or love.

Life isn't important? The only judge of that is the person that makes the judgement, what actually matters is is life important to them? Usually the answer is yes.

This ain't love... it is addiction... having someone that "means everything" to you is like being addicted to a drug. Since you don't want to think about all the problems in the world you think of someone as being everything. If that person leaves you or die, you'll be screwed. Someday you might get annoyed as well, but if your illusion is VERY strong you may have the luck to never do forget her.

Our addictions are part of us, part of our personality, does this mean they are less valid than other components of our psyche? Again, valid by what judgement?

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Originally posted by DuSTman:
Again, are people really thinking of love as a mystical force, or is this how you percieve it yourself?

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Ther's nothing mystical about love; it is a basic emotion, purely human and perhaps more human than any other feeling. But just because something isn't mystical doesn't detract any from its importance, any more than knowing that our brains are run by chemicals and electric impulses makes thought and cognition any less fascinating.

But just because love isn't mystical does not prove that it has no power, for love does indeed have power, to transcend and to transform, to challenge us and to change us.

Don't complain about my alliteration, it occurred simply because this is a hard topic to restrain to prose...

What other force on earth has such power?
For I am torn apart by love,
And through love I am made whole.
And the chemicals bridging my synapses,
And the sparks travelling though my nerves,
Know nothing of love,
And could not define it,
But love has no need of them,
Transcending neurons
And neurotransmitters...

Wow. I just used the words "synapses" and "neurotransmitters" in a (semi) serious love poem...

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Originally posted by The_Hiro:
Burner == Troll

Quit wasting your time on him. Either he's a troll or he's one of those nihilist morons who insists on wallowing in self-pity. I had a phase like that (around age 16). What a massive waste of time that was.

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I totally agree...I know ALL these people that are going through this, they're so fucking annoying. I went through it, and it's annoying that they can't snap out of it too. Oh well.

Anyway, I'm with Mikey-Boy on this one. Love isn't magical... it's what you make of it.

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aventari
"Anarchy may not be the best form of government, but it's better than no government at all"

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Originally posted by Michael:
Transcending neurons
And neurotransmitters...

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Bumper sticker I saw while driving thru Berkeley the other day :

Transcendence happens