Sorry, not yelling at you... but women can't even begin to comprehend how men are driven by their biology! There was an interesting LoveLine call a few months back where a chick became a transexual guy and started getting testosterone shots and everything. Anyway, she talked about how TOTALLY DIFFERENT it is to be a guy with all that sexual energy.

My point is... it's the fault of men, not women... but it's not each individual guy's mistake. We can't help it! Therefore women just need to work with it.

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Originally posted by spicegoddess:
ok i know this is a lil risky considering there aren't many girls here but...
Why do guys get so comfortable with a situation that they stop putting effort into their relationships?? and...
i hate the fact that boys totally misinterpret things. i can't be cool with a guy for very long before he starts to think that "o she wants me..." and totally starts abusing what was a decent friendship. it is so annoying!!!

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Well, as Chrissy said in another thread, (i think it was her) most female friends of guys are 'possible fuck.' This means that a lot of your guy-friends are going to find you attractive, and their ultimate goal (whether they work at it or not) is going to be getting a little. So he's going to look for 'signs' that you want him. The solution? There may not be one, except maybe find a guy who already has a woman and won't be so damn horny like the rest of us. ;-P

All I can tell you is that it gets a little better for guys over time. I'm rounding the corner on my 23rd birthday, and I can tell it's getting easier to deal with women being nearby without having to hold a book in front of my crotch... as often. A 19 year old is going to look at any word that comes out of your mouth and smacks into them as a sign that you want them. They need that self-affirming hope, because they're getting off of a 7 year streak of puberty in which they've been rejected daily. You'd think we'd learn, but it takes a while.

I'm not trying to pull rank by age here, but I can tell you that it will get easier as the guys you hang around with start running on a balanced hormone brain-diet.

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Originally posted by spicegoddess:
ok i know this is a lil risky considering there aren't many girls here but...
Why do guys get so comfortable with a situation that they stop putting effort into their relationships?? and...
i hate the fact that boys totally misinterpret things. i can't be cool with a guy for very long before he starts to think that "o she wants me..." and totally starts abusing what was a decent friendship. it is so annoying!!!

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Sounds like they cannot really communicate well and pick up on the mixed messages very heavy. Some guys take flirting very literally!!!

I agree with everyone in that dont go out with a guy thats too old! You might end up sitting at home with the kids while hes out playing golf with his buddies. And please dont pull a Celine Dion and marry someone who is older than your grandfather, sorry thats just sick.

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Every woman friend I've ever had, I've thought about banging them at least once, and about 90\% of them have had the pleasure of me spanking it to them more than once. This includes my cousin's wife, lot's of my friends girlfriends/wives. I still pleasure myself to some of my ex-girlfriends even though I'm very close to being engaged.

It's just the nature of the beast. But just because I have these thoughts, and act on them alone by myself, doesn't make me a bad person. I still love my girlfriend, and I have never, and will never cheat on ANYONE ever. Nor, will I ruin a friendship with a girl, just because I'd love to stick my crank in her.

So all I'm saying is I think about it all the time, but I've never gone after a friend, a taken women, or gone after greener pastures while involved with a woman.

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Originally posted by Frosty:
find a guy who already has a woman and won't be so damn horny like the rest of us. ;-P

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I think this is jim's post in a nutshell. I COULD be restrain from my biology... but if nothings tying me down... why SHOULD I?

And, ask-man... all this time I thought you were over 30! Weird... I don't know how that got in my head...

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And, ask-man... all this time I thought you were over 30! Weird... I don't know how that got in my head...

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Really? I guess that explains a lot too. Hell no, I'm less than a year out of school... 4 years... since I was 18... No, Man, No. That's why it's extra funny that I'm balding. (PS. Kuru is older than me)

And, I will concede with Jim and PG on all this. I've done the same thing... er, this morning. Doesn't mean things will happen, doesn't mean things will get weird. Guys are capable of being friends with a girl, and leaving all that stuff at home. And it certainly becomes easier around guys who have had experience with rejections, and successes. They tend not to be nearly as desperate, and can put flirting or talking into context. Plus, our self esteem is shot enough to never believe you're coming on to us anyways.

Don't date somebody significantly older than you... hell, even barely older than you. They're supposed to be into people near their own age. If they're not, then they're probably playing on the same maturity field as you are, and there's nothing sadder than a 40 year old with the maturity of a 17 year old.

Even when playing around high school and college years, it's not good to span too much. Somebody who is about to enter college and somebody who has left college is dangerous. They're at different stages in their lives, and they're going to have problems. Not that it's an automatic nix, but it's certainly going to make each party work harder.

Then again, I have a very pessimistic view on relationships.

they range in age from 20 to 30, so i think age has less to do with it than attitude. these guys may have at one point seen me as a chick, but over time, since i never flirted with them or in any way made an indication that i'm female, they just started to ignore it. they consider me more 'male' than one of the guys in the group, who's our resident girl.

so it seems like the guys see me as one of the guys cause that's what i've shown them. it takes time and effort, but even the most die hard guys seem to not go after fucking a chick they've been in a farting contest with.

i grew up totally around guys. the only other chick in my neighborhood was 10 years older than me. so, i've been playing in the mud, getting dirty, seeing who has the best 'beer burp' and generally acting like most of them for a long time.

if you want your guy friends to stop thinkin about ways to fuck you, get 'em to think of you as male. their heterosexual little brains can't possibly think about fucking someone they treat like a brother.

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'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
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Originally posted by kuru:

if you want your guy friends to stop thinkin about ways to fuck you, get 'em to think of you as male. their heterosexual little brains can't possibly think about fucking someone they treat like a brother.

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yeah that's the way that helps. or, something else that might work... tell everyone around that you are perfectly happy single, no thanks, don't even get the idea, not with me, etc. that system worked rather well for me. I have a lot of male friends and I swear none of them would ever sleep with me or even think about that.

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Originally posted by LiNeY:
I have a lot of male friends and I swear none of them would ever sleep with me or even think about that.

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Please take no offence, cause I'm only being curious, not synical... try an experiment for me. Pick 3 or 4 of these people and say to them, "Hi, Name. Just as a hypothetical question... would you have sex with me? It doesn't matter what you answer... it won't change anything between us, but if I wanted to do it RIGHT NOW, would you be down with that?"

Anyway, my bets are on 'yes' (unless you're ooooogly ), but let me know...

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When 1337 hax0rs start impaling each other with swords and typing code with a hook on one hand, then they can modify the term "pirate."

But that reminds me of a friend of mine. He was a junior in college and his gf was a senior in high school (bascially he was 21 and she was 17) anyway its only 4 years difference but between college and high school is a lot of years (maturity wise) anyway he was always asking for advice about how to deal with her- finally I said to him- things will be different when shes in school and you are out- its gonna get worse before it gets better so decide now what you want to do with it. 4 months after she started college and he had graduated- they broke up and havent spoken since (Did I call that or what?) He said that he thought it was more because she was a spoilt brat- and I told him flat out- its because shes still a teenager and you are an adult- it definately had less to do with her brattiness and more to do with her maturity (though I reckon brattiness goes away with maturity too- though not all the time)Anyway I'm just proving a.h's point about age gaps.

Ive been with guys older than me (almost 10 years older) and guys younger than me (though not by much) and I think staying within a five year age range in a good idea only because chances are you are looking for the same things in a relationship- if you venture to someone much older the idea of "long term commitment" changes and thats a BAD thing (unless you want to be married and have kids at 21 then maybe not)

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The best way to get your guy friends NOT to want to fuck you... is to be butt ugly. Otherwise they are thinking about it.

And making them think of you more like a male doesn't work. Only in chicks minds it works. Ever see There's Something About Mary? Guys love chicks that are into sports, beer, and belching. It eliminates that nasty chick barrier of women who think emotionally. Although thinking that your guy friends don't spank off to you simply proves that you are a chick. Clueless... Harsh, but true...

I can site a zillion examples, some from my experience, others from my friends...

One quick one is from my ex-girlfriend talking about her "friend" from work. I was pretty sure he was hitting on her, but she insisted they were just friends. Well, I went to a big company party with my ex, and that guy was there. We got in a big fight about that dick, and I left. Well, once I was gone, and since he just witnessed us fighting.... He tried to kiss my girlfriend.

Just some guy that Tina thought was her friend, and that they were like brothers...

[edit] Since I'm already on this rant, let me also mention, that even after that big ass fight, and that piece of shit tried to kiss my girlfriend... She never told me that I was right all along untill months later after she got fired from that job. [/edit]

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This message has been edited by jim on May 03, 2001 at 08:08 AM

like, i took one of them out on his 21st to buy him a couple drinks since the roommates who were supposed to go, bagged. the whole time we were at the bar, chicks were eyeballing him all night. he says this doesn't happen when i'm not there.

so to those guys, i'm like .... this person who gets them female attention from other females. it works out wonderful. especially since they never hit on me. there are some of my guy friends who have probably thought about me naked, but that's ok cause i've probably thought about them naked at some point too. anyways, as long as that's all it is, it's totally possible to have a great friendship.

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
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Originally posted by kuru:
hehe dude, *most* of my guy friends wouldn't think of hitting on me.

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Ok, let me just break down the classifications into easy to read bullets, with no corrosponding stories...

First we have 2 types of guys. Guys who will think about it (GuyA), and guys who will act on thinking about it (GuyB).

Then we have 2 types of Girls. Ones that are Hot(GirlA), and ones that are not(GirlB).

• GuyA + GirlA = Thinks about fucking her.
  
• GuyA + GirlB = Doesn't think about fucking her.
  
• GuyB + GirlA = Tries to fuck her.
  
• GuyB + GirlB = Tries to fuck her.

Notice GuyB will fuck either GirlA or B... It doens't matter to them...

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as long as it doesn't create any kinda awkardness in hanging out with them, everything's fine. it's totally natural for people to think about boinkin other people. even when they're friends. so i don't really give a shit if they've thought about it or even if they still do. they're my friends, i love 'em to death, and i'll always sit around and eat pizza and belch and play video games with 'em.

just cause you've pictured a friend naked, that's no reason you can't be their friend. and just cause there may've been some sexual thought, doesn't mean there has to be sexual tension.

it's all good. i know they'll carry my shoes home when i get too drunk and can't put 'em on again, and keep me from pukin all over myself. i'll do the same for them.

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
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Just trying to clear it up.

Also note that over 95\% of the GuyA's would leap at the chance to bone GirlA, if she offered.

This message has been edited by jim on May 03, 2001 at 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by DeadAnztac:
Hrm, I want to interject a question in here, is wanting to fuck a girl and wanting to hold a girl the same impulse? 'Cause I know I couple girls that every once and a while I want to just like take into my arms and never let go...

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When you figure out let me know.. I know some chicks like that .. you care about them and try not to act on anything but being a friend.

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Originally posted by jim:
Also note that many girls will probably deny any truth/fact in my post. 99\% of the guys will agree with me 100\%. The 1\% of guys who don't agree with me... Well... They are flaming gay homesexuals and therefore think like girls anyway.

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hehehe, nice covering of the bases...

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Originally posted by jim:
Also note that many girls will probably deny any truth/fact in my post. 99\% of the guys will agree with me 100\%. The 1\% of guys who don't agree with me... Well... They are flaming gay homesexuals and therefore think like girls anyway.

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Thats like asking a room full of chics if they like to give oral, You ask and none of them open their mouths. But if its a room full of guys and you ask if guys like giving women oral they will all say hell yes!

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Originally posted by Greasemonk:
Thats like asking a room full of chics if they like to give oral, You ask and none of them open their mouths.

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How unexpected, usually when I walk into a room full of girls and say "Who likes to give oral?", they all open their mouths and look me in the eyes.

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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
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Originally posted by DeadAnztac:
is wanting to fuck a girl and wanting to hold a girl the same impulse?

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Considering YOUR age (no offence) I'd say that it probably is...

That was absolutely beautiful, jim! I couldn't have put it better myself. But let me add that that chart applys to GuyX + GirlX who HAVEN'T had sex before. After you've had sex things are a little different, and it's difficult to put so simply (example: does she just lay there or ride you like an animal?).

And it's nice to see you at a 90 degree (female angle) rather than a 180, kuru.

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I don't feel like arguing that myself, so just go read this instead.
< http://chickssuck.shutdown.com/touch.htm >

The remainder fit better in my life as friends. A gf type of girl hasn't come around for a while...

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Originally posted by DeadAnztac:
is wanting to fuck a girl and wanting to hold a girl the same impulse?

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Originally posted by Vigilate:
t's not the same impulse at all.

I don't feel like arguing that myself, so just go read this instead.
[URL]http://chickssuck.shutdown.com/touch.htm

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oh yes, touching... feeling... massaging... skin... long silky hair.... yeah

that feels good, almost no need to fsck

too bad i don't have anyone for this right now

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This message has been edited by blanalex on May 04, 2001 at 10:39 PM

Girl: Do you like that girl?

Guy: Yeah, she's pretty cool...

Girl: what do you like about her?

Guy: She's smart, funny, fun to be with, hot and we get along great.

Girl: So she's like me then?

Guy: Well yeah....

<Pause>

Guy: What are you trying to say?

Girl: Oh I'm not cracking on to you!!

This actually happened between me and my best friend the other day. She has a boyfriend and I was like what the fuck is going on....and yes I've thought about fucking her!!

just wanted to mention how it blinds a lot of people.. sometimes to really long extents.

EDIT: can't even type a proper post..

This message has been edited by solid on May 05, 2001 at 06:12 PM