Forum: Sex
Topic: Does breast size matter to you?
started by: kixzor2

Posted by kixzor2 on Sep. 09 2000,11:40
Does breast size matter to you?
Do you prefer chicks with bigger tits?
Or just a mouthfull?

Don't care?

For chicks - Do you ever wish to change breast size, and do you think it affects how you date?


Posted by caseman984 on Sep. 09 2000,13:11
Personally, I really don't mind how big they are..I think most guys are just happy if they have a chance to get to some. Only ones I've ever seen (IRL) were A's so.. I dunno I guess the rule is

anything you can fondle=good

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Posted by nautilus on Sep. 09 2000,14:42
Yeah, I do sometimes wish that I could change my breast size. I've got more than enough on my chest for two people, so if I could (and it's still something I'm considering) I'd definitely make mine smaller, and bring them closer to "normal" sized boobies.

And yes, it definitely affects my dating life. B/c of my overabundance, a lot of guys treat me like I'm just a walking talking set of boobs. But guess what? There's actually an intelligent female behind this rack! So it's definitely made me be more selective in my choice of guys. I'm just glad I was finally able to find someone who can both appreciate me for the woman I am, but still take advantage of the fact that he's got 2 big toys to play with.

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Posted by kuru on Sep. 09 2000,15:34
i have big boobs. generally, i try to make them look smaller, because i don't like it when people talk to them instead of to me. hey guys, they can't hear you.

i would kinda like to have smaller ones, but then not so small that i was flat chested either.

my biggest pet peeve is when guys act like i had some kind of choice in how big they got. they'll say stuff like 'nice rack, how big are those?' as if they think i went out to the store and picked them out one day. it's those guys, and the ones who think that having big boobs means no brain. these guys are the ones who treat a chick like me as if she's stupid, a slut, or both, simply because of how big my chest its.

i actually met a guy who said he'd never date a chick with big boobs because 'girls with big boobs are usually stupid and mess around with other guys a lot.' naturally, he didn't get much of my time.

then there's the other extreme. guys who will only date girls with big boobs. i've run into a few of those guys, and it seeems to me they'd rather date a set of boobs than a human being.

nautilus: you're lucky to have found one of the guys who can deal with a girl that has a set of boobs and a high level of intelligence. those guys are rare. when i meet one, i'm going to tie him up and stash him in my walk in closet so he can't get away.

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Posted by Greasemonk on Sep. 09 2000,15:42
Size doesnt really matter to me that much. I like them big and small, just as long as they have nipples.I like to twist them a little. I have gone out with a chic with inverted nipples, there is something you dont see everyday.
Posted by kuru on Sep. 09 2000,18:16
quote:

PersonGuy said:

For example, if they're big, but the nipples don't match, it's a turn off (one lower than the other, one bigger than the other).


it's actually pretty rare for any girl to be perfectly symmetrical. it just doesn't happen, so unless you're looking for a girl with big implants, you better get used to the fact that most of us are a little different on each side. the human body is just made that way.


quote:

PersonGuy said:

But it's VERY important that they're well maintained, whatever the size (whatever that means (LIKE IIIII KNOW!)).


yeah, i'd like to know what that means too. there's not much 'maintenence' to having breasts. they're just another body part, so they get clean in the shower, and the only possible way to counteract gravity is to wear a bra, which pretty much every chick with anything bigger than a B cup would do most of the time anyway.

of course my boobs aren't perfectly even and perfectly round. that's how you can tell that they're not implants!

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Posted by PersonGuy on Sep. 09 2000,23:28
It's like were so much alike... but SO SO different! hehe

Anywaze, I wasn't talking about PERFECTLY "even". I'm talking about 2-second-glance-from-5-feet-away "even". Like it's-not-odviously-uneven "even".

And I guess "maintaining" is the same same thing... it's the LACK of being maintained that's a problem. I don't know how easy or difficult it is, but every once in a while you'll find some that are a little on the rough side... and it's a big turn off. How does that happen? I don't know... but I guess matenace problem...

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Posted by PersonGuy on Sep. 10 2000,05:53
I don't make it a stereo type, but in effect, big=more guys hitting on you=better chance of having more guys.

But I know that some chicks use them resposibly. I mean, take a slut with small ones VS a slut with big ones. It's like the big boobs cause the sluts to come out of the wood work... know what I mean? Point being, that there are an equal number of sluts, big or small, but it's always much more odvious with the big, and that's why they get a bad reputation. Unfortunately it becomes a stereo type, and I'm sorry for all the busty chicks who have to put up with that.

Anyway, I like a NICE rack. Size doesn't matter. There are NICE big ones, and NICE small one. For example, if they're big, but the nipples don't match, it's a turn off (one lower than the other, one bigger than the other). And droopy is bad for me, so sometimes if they're smaller, it keeps them perky, and I like that. But it's VERY important that they're well maintained, whatever the size (whatever that means (LIKE IIIII KNOW!)).

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Posted by Hooker With A Penis on Sep. 10 2000,06:56
how in the hell do you maintain a boob?!?! this is causing me to think strange things like " do chicks use underarm deodrate under there boobs like people do with thier arm pits??? or is the moon really made of cheese , or will pot ever be legal ... see , now my head is all messed up over this boob "health care kick , like nutsack maintenence, how many dude twizze thier sacs??? Huh... albeit , i did date this one girl who had harry nipples , kinda turned me off, very ... eerie

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Posted by nautilus on Sep. 11 2000,00:09
Are you talking about maintaining the perkiness of boobs??? Cuz I'm here to tell ya that by the time boobs have reached the size of mine (which didn't take so much time, considering that I'm only 20), maintaining perkiness isn't an issue. Guys can either take them or leave them, so I'm glad I found someone who has taken them.

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you're lucky to have found one of the guys who can deal with a girl that has a set of boobs and a high level of intelligence. those guys are rare. when i meet one, i'm going to tie him up and stash him in my walk in closet so he can't get away.

I do consider myself very lucky. I haven't felt the need to stash him in my closet, but I make sure I keep him satisfied so he doesn't feel the need to stray.

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Posted by reman on Sep. 11 2000,00:18
To be honest, breasts are something I can admire and drool over, but when it comes down to it, it doesn't affect who I would choose to ask out.

As for fake boobies check Stevie "KillCreek" Case for an example of who not to do it. obviously she didn't read Breast Implants for Dummies, or Oreilly's Breasts in a Bra (The one with the beaver on the front).

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Posted by kuru on Sep. 11 2000,16:05
ugh, gravity SUCKS.

guys, please don't make fun of my industrial strength bra. i like having boobs that are on my chest instead of around my ankles just as much as you do.


i'm always glad to hear a guy say it doesn't affect who he chooses to date... tho it is nice when they play with what ya got!

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Posted by directhex on Sep. 11 2000,19:30
a wise man said to me "any more than a mouthful is a waste"

i'm inclined to agree with him.

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Posted by iso9k on Sep. 11 2000,21:39
A wise friend of mine once said: "A woman without tits is like a gun without bullets".

Personally I dont like guns so I guess thats why I dont like big breasts...or something like that..


Posted by Sithiee on Sep. 11 2000,22:09
heh...Gary in the Wierd Science TV Show...

"Anything more than a handful is just too much."


Posted by Observer on Sep. 11 2000,22:41
Those of you spouting your "more than a hand/mouthful" propaganda have never experience handling large breasts. It's not the only thing I look for in a woman, but it sure is a nice fringe benefit. Call me shallow if you will, I just know what I like from experience.
Posted by kuru on Sep. 12 2000,00:53
it's usually the guys who spout the 'more than a mouthful' stuff who tend to act like women have some kinda choice about how big their breasts get. if i'd had to pick, i'd have gone for a perky set of C cups.... but i didn't get that choice....

so any dude who loves me will love all of me. and that includes my breasts.

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Posted by brodie on Sep. 13 2000,03:41
i actually prefer smaller breasts. like C cup is about as big as i'd ever go, and the girl would have to *really* special.... my current gf is a B and that's perfect! i actually get really turned off by big breasts, but not if they're not flaunted like some sideshow thing...

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Posted by kuru on Sep. 14 2000,21:34
so you wouldn't ever date a chick whose bra size was bigger than C?


seems kind of shallow.

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Posted by Alarion on Sep. 14 2000,22:15
quote:
so any dude who loves me will love all of me. and that includes my breasts.

Exactly!

I have been with girls that've had anywhere from A to Double D cups ... and I don't really mind either/or. I like a girl for her, and only her and ALL of her.. Attitutde and maturity plays a BIG role, and being cute is a definate plus

I totally dig the intellectual thing though

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Posted by brodie on Sep. 15 2000,03:39
as i go back and read it, i do sound really shallow. sorry about that... i would date anyone that i liked enough. regardless of breast size. i've dated plenty of flat chicks. and i've even dateda few *very* large chicks, too... looking back, i don't really know why i said it that way...

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Posted by kuru on Sep. 15 2000,03:48
brodie: i kinda figured you weren't saying that you had a specific list of measurements a girl had to meet... but it is true that people have to be attracted to those they date, or dating doesn't work too well.

i just find that to me, it's more the attitude, the maturity, the brains, the sense of humor that get me than how big his muscles are or how he fills up a pair of jeans.

no harm, no foul.

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Posted by Evil_Monkey on Sep. 17 2000,01:04
I prefer smaller women with shape, not so much as large breasts, but just nice curves. Like that Linuxgirlie picture, of the girl holding the redhat box in front of her chest. She didn't have huge tits, and I like that.

But this string is really depressing for me, and here's why:

"You're lucky to have found one of the guys who can deal with a girl that has a set of boobs and a high level of intelligence. those guys are rare. when i meet one, i'm going to tie him up and stash him in my walk in closet so he can't get away."

I have been searching all the time for intelligence in girls, but all I find is ignorance and complete apathetcness. It really disturbs me that I just can't find one. And what REALLY REALLY bothers me is that all girls around here are infatuated with guys that have SUPER HUMAN dicks. I mean, when a girl my size, and I'm small, like 5'9" 120 pounds (age 17 too) demands that she can have nothing less then an 8 inch dick inside of her, it really makes me just want to give up.

It seems like the roles have reversed. I'M the one looking for intelligence and love, and they're looking for physical mutations. It's so very sad...


Posted by RenegadeSnark on Sep. 18 2000,03:33
As far as attractiveness, only to a certain extent. They should be present... i.e. normal guy tits are small... but I've seen some chicks whose tits look WAYY out of proportion (and not on StileProject, in RL, imagine that) and that looks like aah!!

But that's attractiveness, outside that, a mouthful is enough.


Posted by LazyGit on Sep. 18 2000,05:44
I don't think breast size really matters, looks are only what attracts you towards a person, they're not going to keep you with them.

But size isn't really that important, its just general shape and 'good aesthetic qualities' that define how nice breasts look. That phrase (I don't know where it comes from), 'Small yet perfectly formed' springs to mind but its not as if big ones can't look good or else porn stars wouldn't be so pneumatic.

Besides, who are men to complain about size? Most of us are stuck in the 6 to 7 inches bracket. It would be a bit hypocritical of us to complain about the flat-chested of a girlfriend when it feels as if we're waving a stick in the Albert Hall when we have sex with them (as in dicks too small not vagina too big).

And how can anybody cite breast size as the most important factor in woman's appearence? For me, it's everything in proportion. It's no good having slinky hips and big tits or a flat chest and big hips. Although big hips are 'a good thing'.

And will people stop saying they're 5'9" or taller and say that means they're small.
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Posted by Lordbrandon on Sep. 20 2000,17:25
i dont know about you guys but ive never met anyone with boobs that fit in my mouth, maby you all have freakish snake-jaws.

anyway i enjoy a woman with brests in proportion to her body. really big boobs are ok but there not my prefrence. and brest implants make me absolutly gag. Whatever whould drive someone to do something so shallow, you'd have to be pretty fucking charming to convince me otherwise.


Posted by SLATE on Sep. 23 2000,06:36
just out of curiousity, but dont bigger boobs hurt the back a lot?
and how do you sleep with big ones


16 year old's minds work that way

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Posted by kuru on Sep. 23 2000,23:29
yes, they cause the back to hurt. most of the time, i don't stand at my full height (i'm 5'9" tall) because i'm keepin them in the most comfortable position i can.... and as for sleeping, i don't sleep flat on my stomach... they're not that much of a problem if i use a couple pillows under my head and sleep somewhat on my side, but forget laying on the belly on the floor.

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Posted by kixzor2 on Sep. 26 2000,09:59
I dunno about you Kuru, but I'm a 16D, and I have no probs lying on my front, infact that's how I sleep most of the time.

In case your wondering, no that dosen't affect me, I'm pretty pert for my size.


Posted by Greasemonk on Sep. 26 2000,10:11
Breast size doesnt really matter to me. I have pretty big hands so i can do stuff with big or small ones. I went out with this one woman one time and her breasts fit perfectly into my hands. Ive also gone out with a woman who was almost flatchested. It doesnt really matter to me just as long as she is soft and tastes sweet.
Posted by reman on Sep. 27 2000,04:25
evil monkey - im sure someone round here said they had an 8"er perhaps you should introduce them to each other.

hmmm perhaps its time to start the shower/grower thread :O

regards, reman


Posted by kuru on Sep. 27 2000,14:52
girls who look like models and have brains are rare. some of us are good lookin, but not gonna be the poster chick for anything.... then again, does that linux poster chick understand anything techie? if you want to find a girl with brains, you can't limit yourself to ones that can be found in a super-model package.

as far as what affects me laying on my front, i don't like feeling like i have two grapefruits squashed under my ribcage when i lay down, so i just don't lay out flat on hard surfaces. perkiness is a direct contradiction of gravity, the bigger they get the less perky they are. thankfully there's victoria's secret.

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Posted by Observer on Sep. 27 2000,15:59
quote:
Originally posted by kixzor2:
I dunno about you Kuru, but I'm a 16D,...

16D? You must be a pretty small girl to have a 16" ribcage.

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Posted by kuru on Sep. 27 2000,16:16
don't forget that when you measure the ribcage size (that's the number) you add either 4 or 5 to it to get the actual band size of the bra. so a 16D bra would fit a girl with an 11 or 12 inch ribcage.

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Posted by Mahdimael on Oct. 05 2000,02:42
I like women who aren't completely flat-chested,myself. And I think I'd just be intimidated by a woman with anything larger than a D cup. Man can only live on so much breast!

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Posted by Dark Knight Bob on Oct. 26 2000,05:36
Hey if you can see em or they dont poke you eye out when you bend down to tie your shoelaces who can complain!

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Posted by directhex on Oct. 31 2000,18:00
don't get me wrong, kuru. i couldn't care less about breast size. however, IMHO the size that looks best depends on the size of a person. small people look better with smaller breasts. within reason. and anything goes as long as they're real.

assuming i care. which i don't. i'm just being honest.

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Posted by jim on Oct. 31 2000,18:19
quote:
Originally posted by kuru:
girls who look like models and have brains are rare.

Why do you think "super model" women with brains are rare?

That hasn't been my experience at all.

Most of them are superficial, but I have not noticed a looks to IQ pattern in anyone.

And just out of curiosity, are most good looking men stupid in your opinion?

This is very interesting to me.

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Posted by Michael on Oct. 31 2000,18:55
quote:
Originally posted by jim:
Why do you think "super model" women with brains are rare?

People with real brains and with good personalities are rare. People who look like supermodels are also quite rare. Therefore people who fit both categories are exponentially harder to find. Better to decide which one means more to you and choose on that basis, rather than insisting on finding someone who is perfect in every way.


Posted by jim on Oct. 31 2000,19:02
I agree it would be difficult to find someone that is drop dead gorgeous, smart, with a great personality.............That would give me the time of day.

Like I said, most of the smart, funny, gorgeous chicks I know are very superficial.

But I do know lots of smart extremely attractive women. Just goes with my job, I guess. But I have the sense to know that none of them are going to go out with me. Life is a jip!

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Posted by kuru on Oct. 31 2000,22:36
if they're that superficial, then i'd say they aren't really very smart.

being stuck up and shallow is really immature, it doesn't speak well for their appreciation of anyone's mind, and that's flat out unintelligent and dull, in both men and women.

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Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 01 2000,03:27
Hmmm... just had a funny thought hit me... (and please don't get offended. I'm not trying to be mean!)

The other day me and my bro, LumpyDuck!, were talking and he pointed out that retards seem to usually be ugly. Kinda like it goes hand in hand. My thought was... well, mabey bad genes just come in pairs.

But the's strange, cause you don't see gorgeous geniouses, and the really attractive people never seem to be that smart. Could it be that attractive people are freaks of nature? Hmmm.. ok, mabey I'm reading too much into this, but wadda ya think?

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Posted by kuru on Nov. 01 2000,14:02
there is actually a genetic reason for it in some cases. down's syndrome for one, is a genetic condition caused by a reptition of the 23rd (i think) chromosome. that is, the down's patients have an extra chromosome in there. it affects the physical structure of their face... setting their eyes wider apart and defining the shape of the upper lip.

so i guess you could say in some ways, it does correlate.. but then again remember that down's itself is a genetic condition.

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Posted by jim on Nov. 01 2000,15:25
quote:
Originally posted by kuru:
if they're that superficial, then i'd say they aren't really very smart.

Ok then... On your right you have smart, funny, fun, nice, BUTT ASS UGLY POOR BOY... And on your left you have Smart, Funny, Fun, Nice, GORGEOUS RICH MAN.

Which do you choose?

Being superficial doesn't make you stupid. If anything it makes you smart. I have to admit, I want the absolute best, and rarely settle for less. I want the total package. I want a gorgeous, smart, woman, with a great job, great body, great mind, and gives great head.

There is nothing wrong with that.

I think that's what everyone wants. You just have to look at yourself in the mirror, examine who you are, and match up with someone similar to you. Just so happens that the super-model type women will always get the super-model type rich guys (who treat them like shit)...

Such as life.

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Posted by PersonGuy on Nov. 01 2000,22:20
Oh ok. I wasn't quite sure how that went. Thanks.


Right on Jim! And, kuru, you still haven't answered my question in the "hot bowl" thread... Then again, mabey that IS the answer to my question.

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Posted by Casper on Dec. 05 2000,01:28
This current topic swing is reminding me all too vividly of my current situation.

Everyone knows that looks are just based on personal opinion; what could be attractive to one person could be not-so-attractive to another. Anyhow, the most beautiful girl I've seen outside of TV and Victoria's Secret is also in my 2nd period Sculpture class. The only problem is, jeezus christ her boyfriend is a fucking DICK! I'm not exactly saying that because he's got the most gorgeous girl I've ever seen, but because I actually know him from last year. And he's a dick.

It's a shame, because when you live where I do, there's a significant portion of the population (at least here in High School) that are ignorant, racist, alcohol saturated, bigot hicks. Unfortunatley, he's one of the aforementioned, and I'd bet money that he treats her 100 times worse than I'd ever think to do. I'd treat this woman like a goddess. Okay, fine, I'll stop ranting.

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Posted by demonk on Dec. 05 2000,04:54
Actually, it isn't very uncommon for the "beautiful" people to be dated "no-so-beautiful" people. The reason is that the "nice" people are too intimidated by the "beautiful" people to ask them out. So, the people who actually ask them out(the only ones to ask them out), are the "no-so-beautiful" people. So, we she dumps the dick, ask her out. If she just laughs at you, well, tell her good luck with all the other dicks in her life, because she just left one of the "nice" guys go. Anyway, just my Ũ.02.
Posted by Greasemonk on Dec. 05 2000,12:41
About the guy being a dick and the gurl putting up with it. I dont feel sorry for them at all, I know plenty of women who keep going out with the same type of guy. Then they come crying to me when the guy is being a dick, and Im just like ummmm...Its amazing what people will put up with just to keep dragging a collapsing relationship that much longer.
Posted by askheaves on Dec. 05 2000,13:08
quote:
Originally posted by Greasemonk:
Its amazing what people will put up with just to keep dragging a collapsing relationship that much longer.

That was frighteningly insightful.


Posted by FlexDexter on Dec. 06 2000,02:47
I'll lay money that their parents are the same way...

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Posted by PersonGuy on Dec. 06 2000,21:15
GOOD POST FLEX! YOU GO!
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Posted by kuru on Dec. 07 2000,11:40
superficial meaning that looks are all that matter. sure, looks are somewhat important. you've gotta be physically attracted to whoever it is you're going to have a relationship with.

but if that's all you want in someone? that's superficial... and not very smart.

i'll be the first to admit that i want an intelligent, fun loving, geek who looks good and is pleasant to be around. money however, is irrelevant. unless he expects me to support him out of pocket, pay his rent, etc. that's a no-no. other than that, i don't care.

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Posted by PersonGuy on Dec. 07 2000,20:11
Then money ISN'T irrelevent, is it? Isn't it all about the love? Men pay for women to live at home ALL THE TIME and nobody thinks twice about it!
Posted by kuru on Dec. 07 2000,21:51
men pay for their WIVES to live at home. i'm talkin about like, if i'm dating some guy for a week and he's like 'baby can you pay my rent?'

fuck NO. what, you think i wanna be one of those idiots judge judy makes fun of cause they took in some guy (or girl) after knowing them a week, spent half their life savings and then the dude (or chick) split and never paid it back?

money doesn't matter. as in, it doesn't matter if the never spends any on me. but i'm picky enough to say he better damn well be able to take care of himself. once we're married though, different story. the rules change a bit.

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Posted by askheaves on Dec. 07 2000,22:19
I make barely enough money to pay for the toys that my mind decides I need to have. I don't think I could support another person all by myself. Even if I could, I probably wouldn't be interested in a girl that couldn't pay her own way. It would imply (though not in all cases) that she's not the upstanding, skilled, intelligent, whatever person that i'm interested in. I don't need a warm body around the apartment, I need someone I can hang out with without these matters getting in the way.

The main assumption that we're all making is that if the person is leeching off of you, then they don't really care about you... which probably is right in most cases. This doesn't matter in cases where the guy doesn't mind, like the 95 year old guy that married Anna Nichole Smith. He was willing to trade fortune and humility for a playmate.

So, any relationship is based off of both party's fullfilling some sort of need, whether for affection, money, attention, sex, painful childhood memories, or whatever, as long as both sides don't mind the reasons, it's a legitimate relationship.

My case? Glad you asked. I'm looking for someone for affection, attention, sex, trust, enjoyment (and a few others I don't remember). If I felt that someone was genuinely returning these to me, then I may decide what I'm willing to give up, though it probably wouldn't be my humility (ie, spending every last dime or not caring about her other boyfriends).


Posted by FlexDexter on Dec. 08 2000,02:47
regardless... I don't think anyone I'd consider dating would be a chick that is really that superficial. Unless, she made the arguement that she got them for herself ONLY.

In which case, I'd diffinetly not date her. Just 'cause she's probibly got more self-esteem issues then I want to deal with. Anyone know what I mean? Or should I be sober when I write these?

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Posted by Willy Pete on Dec. 09 2000,13:56
Don't have a clue what you're on about.

Personally, if I felt the person 'needed' me for reasons other than enjoying being with me, I'd be a little put off. I mean, are they with me because of their need for a boyfriend/money/attention/etc., or are they with me because they merely want to be with me. Personally I prefer the latter but I don't seem to be able to find them anywhere.
Guess I'll just have to blame it on global warming or something.


Posted by Spydir Web on Dec. 09 2000,14:15
naw man, it's all El Nino or something. Trust me. The differences in world climate mess with everyone's heads, and chicks just don't relize their need for us geeks. They think they want those preppy jocks, but they really want us geeky scrubs ... Stupid El Nino...

might be Y2K, too... They're all set back to 1900 or something

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Posted by PersonGuy on Dec. 09 2000,19:08
kuru, so your saying that if you married a guy, and then he one day said, "I've decided I'm going to quit my job. I need some ME time. I'm going to go back to school, and mabey start a buisness from my old hobbies! I need to reach out for my dreams! If money gets tight, I'll get a part time job to help out. It'll be great, I'll get some fresh air and exercise. Mabey I'll get involved with the community! We can hang in for a few years, right? You can just work a few extra hours and it'll be all good." <--THAT would be ok with you? You'd respond, "SURE," to that request?

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Posted by askheaves on Dec. 09 2000,22:31
PG: I think that would be valid. The money isn't what's at issue. The idea is that generally someone who is in need of someone paying their rent after the first month of dating is because that person either has no ambition, or no mad skillz... which doesn't bode well with someone with ambition who seeks someone with ambition. If the person is doing something that can agreeably (or agruably) be worthwhile, then it's coool. If it's a person who's quitting work for the next few years to watch football & pro wrestling, drink beer and eat potato chips on the couch consistantly for a couple of years, then that's not cool.
Posted by kuru on Dec. 09 2000,22:35
there'd probably be some discussion, but yeah. i could deal with the stay at home husband. as long as he cooks, cleans, and takes care of the house.

not like anything wouldn't involve discussion, but as long as the whole relationship is a two way street, it's all good.

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Posted by FlexDexter on Dec. 10 2000,03:42
It's just not that easy to say though... that whole decision would be a massive strain on the relationship. It might be one thing for maybe a couple weeks, maybe a month or two. But, it would take several years possibly just for the schooling... well, depending on just how far ahead he wanted to get... (B.S. or B.A.) etc. Then he'd have to research, fund, and start his own hobbies, business ventures etc. Which, none are guarenteed to be successful. Meanwhile, this has definitely dragged on for several years; the kids have got cholera, you and he are always busy, never being able to connect... etc. etc. etc. So, I guess really my only point on this rant is that it's harder to support someone, needless to say a family, then most of you can imagine; unless of course some of you out there are, in which case I'm sure you'll agree.

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Posted by PersonGuy on Dec. 10 2000,15:21
ask-man: We're talking about a married couple, not a dating couple.

dex-man: The clarify your statements... it's harder than most WOMEN can imagine! Guys HAVE to start imagining it at age 13!

kuru: Either, you're full of BS, or we need to get married RIGHT NOW! Cause if you're being honest with your statement, then you're to the ONLY woman on earth who'll support me like that. SURE! I'd cook, clean, buy the nessesities, take care of bills. Who knows... my creative aspirations might pay off, and we'll be on easy street. Best of all, you'd be at work most of the time, and when you come home I'd be ready for bed. That way I wouldn't have to deal with our missmatched views on life.

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Posted by Willy Pete on Dec. 10 2000,15:27
Kuru, I think he's using shy geek talk for: "Would you go out with me?"
Posted by FlexDexter on Dec. 10 2000,21:53
Nah... he's just stating his peace. Unless you think calling someone fulla crap an offer for a night on the town.

Regardless, I don't know if this is my ego talking or just my sense of chivalry that seems to plague my kind ass; but, I would be really uncomfortable with having my girlfriend support me. Wife is another thing, but if and only if I was fired from my job at that time. Otherwise, I'd feel like less of a man almost. Now, this is only because I think that a guy should be able to provide for himself and other loved ones. WHAT I AM NOT SAYING, is that a woman can't do the same, or that a womans place is at home, or only the guy should provide everything. WHAT I AM SAYING, is that though it would be a struggle, I would feel comfortable supporting someone else; although, I would rather not be supported myself. Is this the case for most of you other guys? What about the women (besides kuru)?

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Posted by Michael on Dec. 11 2000,01:53
quote:
Originally posted by FlexDexter:
I would feel comfortable supporting someone else; although, I would rather not be supported myself. Is this the case for most of you other guys?

It's always a lot easier to support someone else than to be supported. I would rather help someone else than ask for help; I would rather loan money to someone else than have them loan money to me. Why? Because it's not very pleasant to be in debt to someone else.

In a married couple, hopefully you're close enough that no one is keeping track of who owes what to whom. When you get married to someone, you aren't saying "My money is your money, my house is your house, my life is your life." What you are saying is, "My money is our money, my house is our house, my life is our life." That is, it isn't about "you" and "me" anymore, it's about "us."


Posted by FlexDexter on Dec. 11 2000,03:01
quote:
Originally posted by Michael:
That is, it isn't about "you" and "me" anymore, it's about "us."

exactly... *clap clap clap*

But, I guess... that would also void the previous arguements. The decision of support would not be left to one person, it would be made by the couple. I guess, in a way... it could be seen that the couples are mutually supporting each other too. Though one monetarily, the other... well... some other way. Regardless, they act together, and love one another... if that were the case; then, what greater show of love could any couple show.

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Posted by j0eSmith on Dec. 11 2000,03:13
hell yes! I am quoted in a sig!

oh, btw, its j0eSmith .. with a zero, not a capital o.

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Posted by Blain on Dec. 11 2000,03:27
I have to agree with Michael, I would love to not have to do anything all day, but I would never feel comfortable mooching off someone. I would probably not appreciate someone completely sponging off of me, but I would defiantly prefer that to me being the worthless one. Funny how that works.
Posted by askheaves on Dec. 11 2000,04:21
I have no problem with supporting someone who is doing something sort of worthwhile with their life. As I posted earlier, and I didn't mean dating folks, as long as both can agree that life will be a little different, and both folks will be sacrificing
a little, then it's ok. One thing that I'm attracted to is ambition. I love the idea of a 'geek chic' not in terms of a computer geek necessarily, but someone who can become totally immersed in their interests. I respect that and I admire it. If my girl wants to pursue that, then I'm fine with it as long as we can both live with the sacrifices.

As for leeching off of someone, I can't do it. I have been down to my last Ũ.41 before, and have avoiding asking for gas and food money. However, I love giving. Just this weekend, I had a 5 hour conversation long distance with one of my friends on the phone, and I don't mind because the phone bill is a small sacrifice for being able to have a wonderful conversation. I only hope that she doesn't feel the same way I would have in that situation. I hope she knows that it wasn't a charity or anything, and that it was totally worth it to me.

Off-Topic: I think it's funny that there is an Ask Jeeves ad at the top while I'm posting. Must stop drinking...


Posted by PersonGuy on Dec. 11 2000,14:55
Well, most of you proved MY point. Guys have it ingrained in them by the time they 18 that they have to support everone. Women of course are designed to seek out the largest wallet possible. Mikey-man is right about the meaning of marriage, but you have to remember that marriage is a female designed consept to keep men trapped. I mean, what other salesperson could sell a few decent BJs and monthy moodswings for โK!?!?

DAMN YOU BIOLOGY! That's why I WILL most likely end up getting married and liking it...

Anyway, I mean it, kuru!! You say, "Yes," call the court house, send me your address, and I'll be there on a plane TOMORROW with computer in hand. You provide the housing, and I'll keep up the housing. And I'll persue my music career with my bits of free time between house chores. Waddayasay?

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Posted by FlexDexter on Dec. 12 2000,04:00
ฤ bucks says she'll back down... ŭ says she'll admit she was wrong...

oh... okay it's j0eSmith, sorry... I apologize...

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Posted by Michael on Dec. 12 2000,04:12
quote:
Originally posted by PersonGuy:
...but you have to remember that marriage is a female designed consept to keep men trapped. I mean, what other salesperson could sell a few decent BJs and monthy moodswings for โK!?!?

Somehow I think there are a few more benefits than that...

And as for marriage being a way to trap men, historically the opposite has been true.

Also remember that a "trap" is only a trap if you want it to be; if you are happy with a relationship, whether or not you can easily get out of it, you are not "trapped."


Posted by PersonGuy on Dec. 12 2000,22:30
Historically, men were out to bang everyone. The concept of marriage was to keep the manogomous, and WHY would men come up with that? THEN, it became to the mans advantage when women realized that men sucked! Now (again) it's to their advantage, because they can take half of everything (that didn't use to be true).

But, you're right Mikey-man... there is more too it in that freakin biology!!

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Posted by kuru on Dec. 12 2000,22:30
ok you come on out here. we'll date for a couple of years, if it works out maybe get engaged and married. then i guess we look around at how much i make and find out if it's economically possible. then, if so, i guess you can stay home and cook and clean and do my laundry.

oh yeah, and during the dating phase, you have to support yourself. good luck.

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Posted by FlexDexter on Dec. 13 2000,03:10
Well, at least I only lost ŭ bucks on that one...

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Posted by PersonGuy on Dec. 14 2000,05:19
Hmmm... a well thought out evasive responce...

Well, I would but I'm living for free with my grandma. Jumping from supported to supported was the idea here. But heading into unexplored territory AND supporting myself would definately loose to spend all my time on my music in beautiful Seattle.

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