So, ladies, what few are on this BBS, what's up? Are you really as horny as guys, or is it just an act?

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a vagina can get you a penis, but the converse is not true.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

i'm not a nympho, i just play one on the internet.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

unless she's got beer goggles. then you can tease her for the rest of her life about the time she brought home "the troll."

and that depends.. where do you live, and how old are you? j/k

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

Thing is tho - in my experience it's pretty damn scary just how easily a chick can turn a guy on. Very little effort.

Sooo..... when a chick is feeling REALY randy but doesn't feel like going the whole hog, she can get any guy wrapped around her little finger by doing zip all, and then being able to turn the hornyness off when the time comes.

I rekon it's a bit of a power trip thing.

Maybe chicks don't let out all they're hornyness because it would overcome any guy involved or get her deeper into it than she really wants to go????

Show up

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[This message has been edited by CyBeR 0pTiK (edited September 07, 2000).]

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Originally posted by demonk:

And then, a guy can stay horny for a long time, but with a girl, it's like a light switch. One second they are ready to rip all your clothes off, the next she "has a headache".

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this is another one where i completely disagree. at least in my own experience, when i get turned on, get horny, it doesn't just go off like a 'light switch.' as far as the headache excuse, it's pretty well known that orgasms help to get RID of a headache.

i don't know where you got your info about girls, but if it's from movies/television, you're probably not gettin the facts. i think the reason that chicks don't appear as horny as dudes is that there's so much of an expectation in society that chicks not want sex, not be aggressive, and not enjoy sex.

chicks are supposed to be all pure and innocent.. that would be blown out of the water if people had to admit that we're just as horny as dudes.

besides... how could a guy keep going around saying he 'scored on' a chick if she wanted the action just as much as him?

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

some of each get horny a lot and some of each don't.

it's all a dice roll dude.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

The term HORNY is cluttering the question. If the question is, "Do chicks want to have sex as much as guy?" No, in general (we're talking about MOST people) all guys want sex with everyone (attractive) NOW! While some girls want the same, and some girls just aren't into sex (ie: not putting out after marriage/babies). It's just plain biological. If they were as interested, they'd be slipping stuff in OUR drinks.

If you're talking about desire, I think it's an equal plain. They both can get as hot for sex, and I might even say chick CAN get hotter (mabey).

And when you're talking about being arroused (totally different topic, unfortunately), a breeze can give a guy a hard-on (or even just a THOUGHT), while it takes a lot more for a girl to get wet (we're not talking MOIST, we're talking ready-to-go). Sometimes that "lot more" is forplay, sometimes it's a fat wallet, flowers, or a dimond ring. ----I mean, think about it.... when a chick is raped, it usually dry. But guys can get raped (by a chick) too... and do you think that tie a twig to IT!?!?!? NO, an erection is MUCH easier to achive and requires little to no emotion.

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as for why we don't slip anything into guys' drinks... we don't have to. we know that the biggest drug of all is an offering of pussy.

rohypnol or cunt, it's no different, if it gets you what you want.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

And I'm not ashamed to admit, that the way I think is VERY much like a chick. I'm just BARELY across the border in man-land.

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It's awfully hot and sticky down south right now.

i definately consider a little harder whether sleeping with some guy is worth it because the possibility of getting pregnant is there.. so i probably have sex less than i would if i didn't have that on my mind.

oh well. there's other ways to get off than sex.
foreplay is a wonderful thing.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

And that reminds me... all you chicks against abortion... WHY? Wasn't it against your religion to get knocked-up in the first place!! And if you actually CARED about the children, you'd put it out of it's misery (this sentence is only directed at those under 18 and pregnant)!!!

But back to my point... if the guy could instantly kill the fetus, there'd be alot less "cut and run" going on! Unfortunately the decision is COMPLETELY up the the lady.

Please don't hate me or something, cause I definetely think it's totally wrong to run out, and I wouldn't do it myself... I just don't see how women have much more to worry about than men (remember, men have to PAY for the baby even if they run-out, but a chick doesn't if she has an abortion).

And you're a little too paranoid... can you imagine a guy poking holes in the condums to get a girl pregnant!?!?! I've only hear news stories of women doing that... You don't have much to worry about, and get that morning after pill on your night-stand!!!

whew...

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please bear in mind that i said 'attempt.'

PersonGuy:

you know what you said, so i will not quote you. as feminist and bitchy as i risk sounding here, society does not view men and women the same. such are the inequalities nature has placed upon us. deal with them.

a guy who gets a girl pregnant is viewed often as some sort of a hero, and rarely does it negatively impact his standing in the community. a girl who gets pregnant is from that moment on, generally known as 'the slut who got knocked up.'

for the reason that not everyone who gets pregnant actually wants to have a kid, there's a nasty little option. the woman can have an abortion. it's a hellish, agonizing thing to most women, even thinking about it. though i have long said that it's what i would do if i were to accidentally get pregnant, i hope beyond anything in this world that i will NEVER in my life be in the position of having to find out whether i will actually carry out that decision.

you're right when you say that this decision is completely up to the lady. it's unfair, it's not equal, but it's the way nature made things. accidental pregnancy has never and does not now affect a man the way it does a woman. your statement that the guy 'has to pay' is absolutely ludicrous. who the hell do you think raises the kid?

it sure doesn't happen by magic. while the guy is off working and making his monthly check, who do you think sleeps less than 3 hours a night doing midnight and 2 am feedings and diaper changes? which one of them has a career that is negatively impacted by the fact that (s)he has to spend less time devoted to work and more to home? a few hundred dollars a month? give me a break. what about the promotions not gotten because of maternity leave?

condoms. they're 97\% effective if used EXACTLY as according to the package directions. so 3 out of 100 will fail even if the instructions are follwed to the letter. as far as 'that morning after pill' goes, not even it is 100\% effective. i ought to know. due to a very unfortuante circumstance that i'd like to forget ever happend and that you will never hear me mention again (so don't ask what it was), i had to take 'the morning after pill.'

it was explained to me in very acute detail that if i was already pregnant, i couldn't take that pill. see, it can take up to 72 hours to get pregnant, but it doesn't always. so there's a chance that the morning after when you go to get that pill, it's already too late. even if you do get it, the only thing it does is decrease the chances that a fertilized egg will attach in the uterus. it's not a guarantee. at best, it improves your odds of not being pregnant by 95\%. which means five out of every hundred will get pregnant anyway.

PersonGuy, everything in this world comes with consequences and repercussions. one fuck is not worth the consequence of becoming pregnant accidentally, or of either having an unplanned baby, or an abortion.

let me go back to your statement that the decision to abort lies straight on the female shoulders. it sure does, and so does all the guilt and regret that can come with it. a guy can always sit back and think to himself 'well she's the one who decided to abort.' the girl has to live the rest of her life knowing that she is the one who gave the final 'ok.'

that's not an argument against abortion, but it is the reality of what the choice to abort entails. i know myself that i can't even begin to imagine how i would feel if i actually had an abortion. to say i'd feel guilty probably wouldn't even begin to cover it, and this comes from someone who never wants to have children.

to keep the morning-after pill on the night stand. a lot of women already do. that pill is nothing more than a regular birth control pill. to be used as 'emergency contraception,' it's generally an extremely high dose. when i had to take it, it was two doses of four pills, 12 hours apart. the pills are estrogen. a hormone the body naturally produces. introducing synthetic estrogen causes a shitload of side effects. taking it every day incraeses the risk of cancer. it's not a magic pill, and it's not without consequences of its own.

as for caring about children, PersonGuy, i hope with everything i've got that i never get pregnant, because i know i will hate being the kind of woman who could just coldly go into an abortion clinic and end what barely started.

i love children too much to ever give them a mother like me.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

[This message has been edited by kuru (edited September 10, 2000).]

First of all, I've run the numbers, and with correct use of condoms AND the morning after pill, in the worst case scenario is (3/100 * 5/10 = ) 3 out of 2000! I have a better chance of winning a Snapple Baseball Cap (TM) from the "Snapple Twisted Cap Tricks Game (TM)" (or more accurately 4 free Snapples)! And under NO circumstance do I EVER (EVER) recommend that any one have sex without a birth contol (other than a condom). That makes accidental pregnacy somewhere around 3 out of 2,000,000 (3 Snapple Baseball Caps (TM)) AND for all you women who complained all these years... there IS a male birth control pill.

Your right, men and women ARE different, and nothing's fair for either one all the time. I never said being pregnant or raising a child was easy. But as a man, I can DEFINATELY say the being chained to a desk my whole life and dying early from stress related high blood pressure is easy either. You win some and you lose some. However, every time I get in my car, I know that there is a small (but ever present) chance that something bad could happen. But I do it ANYWAY. If I had the power to instantly have free sex with any one I wanted any where at any time on my own terms, I WOULD play the odds. Bad consequences? YES, but highly unlikely, if you do it responsibly.

If you don't want to get pregnet, then you have a MUCH better chance of making sure you don't (as apposed to a mans chance of NOT getting a woman pregnat). Women have all the control over how they have sex. They can say, "No, condom, no nook," and THAT is the bottom line (and I RECOMEND that phrase with all my heart!). Just imagine a guy saying, "No, pill, no pepe." (...think about it...)

Finally... this is one point I'm going to have VERY difficult time making, because I TRUELY have little to no experience or perspective. But you have to understand that may word were slightly twisted (or mabey it's my point that got twisted)... I was responding to the chicks who said that they have many more consequences to worry about. I TOTALLY agree! My point is that at least you have an option. I never said that abortion was an easy decision or a safe decision or a wonderfully happy and fun decision. But (and again, I have NO perspective) if I had an accidental pregnancy (equivalent of winning all 7 of the Snapple prizes in order of most to least valuable on my first 7 caps (I'm a MAN) ) I would get an abortion. There are consequences, but I think they are worth it. Yes, I'm killing something by my own actions, but I also CREATED that life by my own actions.

I also never mentioned... If you ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT CONSIDER AN ABORTION, then PROVE that you love the child, and actually care about it's well being by giving it up for adoption (that is directed ONLY at the financial/care giving impaired).

And it's very upsetting how you can deny that men have feelings, and also feel many consiquences from pregnacy. Oh course we have to hide them, but they ARE there. And in the grand sceme of give an take, a chick NEVER has to worry about an X unexpectedly comming back nine months later expecting a pay check. And yes it's A FEW HUNDRED dollars a month, but right now I earn exactly A FEW HUNDRED dollars a month. And I have no way to garantee that the money is actually paying "child support" and not "new pair of shoes and sunglasses to match support" or "new boyfriends beer support."

Oh yah, and statistics say that at LEAST 1 out of 20 childeren are secretly fathered by someone other than the husband (I can't even win a cupon for 2 free Snapples at those odds!)

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Don't get me wrong tho, being male my opinions on this subject don't count as much, and I do belive the choice is entirly up to the women... well to a point anyway.

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When my flying days are over, and my death has come to pass
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since you didn't learn to keep your mouth shut, and because you compared something as life altering as pregnancy to the Snapple baseball under the caps game, you no longer deserve a respectful response.

first of all, you did your math wrong. but i'll take your number of 3/2000. why you changed it to 2,000,000 later, i don't know.
let's say 80,000 people go to the superbowl this year, and that 3/2000 will be picked from the audience, put at the 50 yard line, and shot in the head as the half time show.
that means that either you'll watch 120 people die in front of you, or you'll be one of them.

so here we've reached the concept of 'acceptable risk.' is it worth the chance?
while i'm on the topic of acceptable risk, you obviously are extremely dense, considering you aimed most of this shit at girls who are under 18. in MOST states, a girl under 18 can't legally get an abortion without her parents' consent, or a court order. some of them will just have the kid, and others will have an illegal abortion, and maybe die from it.

you haven't even begun to reach the depth of how much accidental pregnancy can affect someone. it's really fucking easy for you to say 'i'd just have an abortion and not worry about it' you are a MAN after all. that's complete and total bullshit. i'm sure it's easy as fuck for you to say that, knowing you would NEVER have to live with it. it's like me saying 'yeah, i woulda decided to launch the challenger and let seven people die.' it's cake to say you'll do something in a situation you WILL NEVER EVER be in.

you will never be a girl who gets pregnant by accident, as much as you can sit and think about what you'd do in that situation. it'll never happen to you. quit looking down your nose and telling women what you think they should do, or what the right thing is. you're too fucking removed from it to understand it.

i never denied that men had feelings. i'm totally sure they do. what i said was that an accidental pregnancy is not something that hits them as hard. it doesn't. you bitch about a few hundred bucks a month because that's all you earn, well what about the chick? the one who might not even have a job AT ALL, because she has to stay home with her kid since she can't afford to pay for day care as a single mother. what about her?

you are no MAN. you are selfish, immature, and ignorant. these are the nicest things i can say about you. you still think a kid is like a damn under-the-cap game. you need to grow up, a lot, and stop opening your mouth when you know yourself that you lack experience and perspective to give anybody a worthwhile opinion.

you don't know this, but i'm telling you now. at least one other person from this board approached me to tell me that i went too easy on you the first time. well, here it is bucko. i'll spell it out in white and brown.

you have made insensitive, asshole comments in your last two posts. you are probably going to get flamed even more because of them. the safest thing for you to do right now is admit that due to your lack of experience and perspective, you should shut up now. you are completely unaware of the emotional damage you might be causing here, or how personally this issue affects anyone on this board. the fact that you can compare major life decisions to a god damn under-the-cap game proves that you NEVER should've clicked that submit button. if you think i was mean to you in this post, keep in mind that i had to delete most of it because it wasn't suitable for viewing by anyone.

how about you stop now, before you swallow your entire leg?

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

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a guy who gets a girl pregnant is viewed often as some sort of a hero, and rarely does it negatively impact his standing in the community. a girl who gets pregnant is from that moment on, generally known as 'the slut who got knocked up.'

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Where do you come up with this guy is the hero stuff? What country do you live in kuru??? Around my area when the "hero" looks like a pretty stupid idiot and ends up either going into the military or works somewhere for minimum wage, getting married to the girl or both, while the girl who got pregnant ends up living with grandma and grandpa until the kid is at least 18. Its like a disease in my area and from what Ive heard its in other parts of the country as well. Then you have these people blaming it on music, tv, and movies when the real problem is how they raised their children and the environment in which they raised them. You then have these parents getting called on it and all they can say is "my kids will have me put in jail for child abuse" or "Im afraid of my kids". Ive even seen people try to be the "cool" parents and let their kids do whatever they want. People need to start doing something with their children or the police authorities in this country will end up doing the parenting. Im so sick of people trying to blame stuff on other things when they let it all happen right in front of them and refuse to raise their children. Im a little afraid to see what the future of just this country is going to be like when these teen mothers and fathers are in their 30s.I think this country should reevaluate these child abuse laws because dicipline is one of the most important things a parent can do to the child. It helps the child learn right from wrong and could possibly prevent tragedys later on in their life because it helps them build a better understanding of right from wrong.

[This message has been edited by Greasemonk (edited September 10, 2000).]

course, she was then known as the child molseting town slut for having slept with a 17 year old. though she never shoulda touched him anyway, it's a case in point of the double standard people can have.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

where directly the fuck do you get off.

I have never seen a more unreasonable and unempathic response on this board ever. Not only you do you accuse PersonGuy of being lowlife scum, but you strip him of any rights as a human being just because he is male.

Well I am not chauvanistic at all but when some female gets so fucking high and mighty about stuff like this it curdles my guts.

1st, the use of the snapple baseball cap thing I belive was a form of humour to try and defuse the situation, obviously personguy didn't make this obvious enough. then when you used the superbowl example...let me say getting pregnant isnt the same as getting your fuckin head blown off for other people's entertainment. pregnancy is not russian roulette you know.

2nd, it sickens me that you would say that no male cares that there is a "life" (even that terms debatable) growing inside you. Fuck the hell off! If thats all you think men are like, then fuck you and the horse you rode in on. As personguy _tried_ to point out, yes, it does affect men, emotionally and physically, but normally we are the ones who have to be brave and solid becasue if we weren't all you chicks would be up shit-fucking creek without a paddle. In fact a well known feminist Germaine Greer wrote a fuckin book about how men have been so conditioned to not show emotions, and to not confide in anyone that we as a sex have descended into a point where we can't talk about stuff, we can't have opinions, and we when go against the current stream of feminist thought we are nazi pig dogs who should be shot and killed on sight.

If I ever had sex with a woman and I got her pregnant, the way you spout your shit, my reaction would be, *shrug* whatever, your problem, i don't care, and I wouldnt feel a thing. Well ain't you so fuckin wrong, and I'm sure if the same thing happened to personguy he would feel the same way. But as I said in the Abortion, Yo thread some time ago, what a guy wants when it comes to pregnancy has shit to do with the outcome. If a woman gets pregnant and she wants to have it...what the fuck can I say? and vice versa. We don't abrigate our responsibility because we have a fuckin choice.

why am i raving about this. I hate people who ascribe motives and meanings to people that aren't there. I hate people who feel the need to spout intolerence and invictive towards those who disagree with their viewpoint.

Remember not everyone goes through the experiences you have, and people who have may have dealed with it in a different way. Not everyone care the same amount about things you do, and no matter how much you care about something there is probably someone out there who cares more.

regards, reman

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[This message has been edited by reman (edited September 10, 2000).]

You odviously SCANNED SCANNED SCANNED my post in a fit of rage. Rather than restating the MANY MANY MANY OTHER things you miss-understood, miss-read, miss-interprited, and just-plain-missed, I'll let you go back and READ READ READ them.

But I truely AM embaraced if anyone else got that much of a completely twisted version of what I wrote, and I AM sorry for their (hopefully) temporary brain malfunction.

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
they'd be slipping stuff in OUR drinks.

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is that even possible? could you get an erection while knocked out w/rohypnol?

i sure don't know... that's why i'm asking.

i agree with most of what kuru said, and am glad that she said it instead of me. on a few points though, i want to offer up my own opinions.

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:

And that reminds me... all you chicks against abortion... WHY? Wasn't it against your religion to get knocked-up in the first place!! And if you actually CARED about the children, you'd put it out of it's misery (this sentence is only directed at those under 18 and pregnant)!!!

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Ok, a lot of my feelings on this issue are already posted in the abortion thread. But to give a bit of a summary for those of you too lazy to get off your asses and read it over, I do actually care about children, enough to give them a chance to live. I was an unplanned pregnancy, but I think I've done some good in my life to make it worth it for my parents to have kept me around. I mean, think about the George Bailey effect. Hopefully you can all think of at least something you've done that has made your life worth living. Suppose the child you abort is the doctor who would find a cure for AIDS, or the world leader who would finally bring peace to the mid-east. I know I can't be an adequate mother right now, hell, I could barely afford to be a mediocre mother right now, but there are so many couples out there who could give a child the kind of loving upbringing they deserve, and are just waiting for someone to give them that chance.

For reman, who disagreed w/ kuru's superbowl analogy, I think it is rather fitting, although not in the entertainment sense. Having sex is a bit like russian roulette, b/c a girl has no way of knowing if the guy is shooting blanks or if that will be the shot that gets her pregnant. And one can somewhat equate having an abortion to the actual blowing people's heads off, as both result in the loss of a life.

Also, just as PersonGuy tried to point out that guys are affected by unwanted pregnancies, kuru said as well that she's sure guys do have feelings on the issue (she said this before your post, reman) and I will stand up for you guys on this as well. Like kuru, I as well have taken the morning after pill. (That was enough of an agonizing decision, I can't even fathom even contemplating an abortion.) It was a very trying ordeal for both of us, but we were able to get through it b/c we were doing it TOGETHER. And while the final decision in handling an unwanted pregnancy, I think the guy should definitely get a say in the matter. After all, the baby is half his.

There's a LOT more I could say on these issues but most of it has alreay been said. So now I'll turn the floor over for the next person to come along and put in there 2 cents.

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Originally posted by Bozeman:
Suppose the baby you would abort is the next Hitler, or invents a retrovirus that kills every human being on the planet.

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So you would abort that baby without giving it a chance at a decent meaningful life?

thanks for actually reading my post and realizing that i have said since the beginning that men have feelings too. i'm glad that everything is ok with you and your guy, and that you made it through what i can understand was a very difficult thing.

reman:
this is where the fuck directly i get off.

i never said that all males are lowlife scum who wouldn't take care of their kids. most of what you saw directed at PersonGuy resulted from the fact that he never mentioned anything but how much money it would cost him if he had a kid. i guess it's a bit of a personal issue for me, since i grew up being reminded daily by my parents that i was nothing more than a financial burden.

also, i think there are some subjects so serious that nobody should ever make light of them. unplanned pregnancy and abortion are serious issues that cause a lot of hurt feelings and emotional scars that never heal. it's not appropriate to "lighten things up" by comparing this issue to any kind of game.

i'm sorry if you think that i outright hate all males, but this is not the case. i've never said that all males are cold and heartless, and i wish more of them were comfortable with showing their feelings.

as far as your comment about women needing men to be big strong and solid otherwise we'd be up shit creek without a paddle, i have only one thing to say. after a statement like that, you are on no solid ground to call me any kind of sexist.

if you want to see a more unreasonable and unempathetic post on this board, scroll up a few posts to where PersonGuy says 'anybody ever hear of abortion?' yes, my second post to him was mean. after my attempt to be logical and reasonable resulted in nothing more than continued bitching that a child would lighten his wallet and his statements that make light of what is obviously a very personal subject to some members of this forum, i felt he no longer deserved a respectful response. his deliberate attacks on the women who are against abortion, attacks on their morals, the statement 'wasn't it against your religion to get knocked up in the first place?', and his assertion that 'But back to my point... if the guy could instantly kill the fetus, there'd be alot less "cut and run" going on!' demonstrate his insensitivity. why you chose only to attack me than to read the entire post and try to understand where i was coming from is something only you know. i'd like to keep it that way in the interest of peace.

i sincerely hope that none of you are ever in the postion of having to deal with this any further than posts on a message board.

greasemonk: no big deal dude. it saddens me either way it happens: older guy and younger girl, or older woman and younger guy. i feel for all these children who have to grow up dealing with any issues.

i actually have a friend who is both a lawyer and a doctor, and he often testifies in court. the ultimate sign that this world is horribly fucked up is that he's actually had to testify in a "wrongful life" case.

how bad does a world have to be where a kid sues his (or her) parents for even having them? i'm still at a loss for words.

bozeman:

i guess that's the problem with being human. our ability to see is limited only to the present and the past. there's no way of knowing what "would've been if."

most of the time, i'm glad there isn't.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

Ok FIRST, I've gotta make the point that I HAVE several times admitted that I have little to no perspective, so don't use it against me. Respectively I could argue that kuru has a TON a baggage clouding her veiws and makes her equally unenclined to an unbiased oppinion. (not a bad thing, I'm just trying to level the playing field here...)

hair: good point... I actually didn't think of that... but I did mention (on a slightly reltated statement) that men have erections when raped by women, but women are dry when raped by men. The point being that it takes more to arowse a women.

nautilus: caring about a child has alot more to do with giving it a chance to live. we kill horses with broken legs because we don't want them laying on their side for the rest of it's life while we hand feed it... not much of a LIFE. And sometime idiot parents are the broken leg.

Do I consider a big OOPS, broken condom to always = idiot parnets? NO! I never said that every accidental birth should always be terminated. Not every birth to young parents should be terminated either. (and this ties in with your "point" about the analogy with the super bowl = sometimes a guy shooting blanks, so pay attention) Idiot parents are the IDIOTS who think that the pull out method is a form of birth control, or that they only do it on their period, or they just HOPE they won't get pregnant!

Belive it or not, sex is not a recreation, it's procriation. It IS procriation UNLESS you're using birth control. Then, and ONLY then does it become recreation. My point is that shooting blanks thing just doesn't make any sence unless you're one of the future idiot parents who were HOPING not to get pregnant.

Bozeman: and I'd bet on it if the parents are infact idiots...

Oh, and don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that all accidental pregnacy's mean the parent is an idiot, and I DEFINATELY think that the man who runs out (or doesn't) is also an idiot for getting her pregnant.

Hellraiser: you totally miss Bozemans choice and thanks kuru for seeing it

and whew... kuru: reman did take it a little far (but, reman, thanks for backing me up ). And I agree, if there were no men, you'd see a separation of women that would be equivilent of butch or lipstic lesbians and the human race would survive just fine (minus that sperm thing). Just like if there were only men, you see navy and fruity gays and we'd do just fine (minus that egg thing).

BUT you are absolutely totally 100\% right, "anybody ever hear of abortion?" was a very inconsiderate remark in the context that you and many others took it in. I actually meant it like:
1) I'm pregnant.
2) I don't want to be.
3) What do I do?
"anybody ever hear of abortion?" is supposed to be sarcastic. I wasn't trying to say that it should be an instant an unconsequential desition, I was just saying that there IS a solution to the problem.

Yes, I DO continue to attack the morals of women against abortion. I think they are all hypocratic, and are using religion as a sheild to reach their true feeling about life and death. And who are truely against taking human life need to consider that their screwed up kids might be taking the life of succesful ones with a shiv in the near future. They also need to realize that not EVERY person is important or special. And if they cared about saving EVERY life, they'd be saving every sperm too. YES, each and every sperm is potentially a person, an no less important than an egg (fertalized or not).

I DO think it's insisitive to "cut and run" and do not condone it under ANY circumstances. However, I DO condone killing the fetus, and my point was that if men had as much right as women to do this, then men wouldn't be (doing the VERY WRONG) thing of "cut and run". And (and this is totally biological, so don't turn this around on me), if women also had the option of "cut and run" they'd probably be doing it as much. And it does happen rarely (leaving baby in dumpster/hot car - which I also don't agree with). And before you say it... it's DEFINATELY unfair that women get in HUGE trouble for than, and men aren't really punished for the "cut and run".

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i'm not a religious person, and even i can't claim that abortion is a black and white issue. the area is very gray, and very hazy. doing anything that /might/ be murder has got to be hellish.

.... and when you judge these women personguy.... remember. judge not lest ye be judged.

it's time you let this topic go, for the good of everyone on this forum.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

When does one remove oneself from the argument so only one peron's rhetoric can be heard?

kuru, what you don't understand is that people will have opinions that you don't agree with, simply because you interpret them as you will. This is not a personal attack, I am just trying to show another way to handle a topic you feel very personally about.

The argument that the pregnancy that was terminated could have been the person who develops a vaccine for AIDS is a common one that is bandied about. Here's is a story for you, though you probably heard this one...In a medical ethics class they are discussing abortion, and the professor gives them this information. A woman who is pregnant with her seventh child, she is in her late 40's and all her previous children have had problems, diabetes, down syndrome, deformity. What would they recommend? After all those that recommended termination put up their hand, the professor smiles and says "Congratulations, you just killed Beethoven".

Why did I give this example? Because it shows some of the screwed up logic that people use when they are working through ethics and moral questions. The chance that "beethoven" would be born defective is statistically high, but even still all those people who didnt put up their hands somehow feel morally superior that they wouldn't have been the ones would have killed a maestro. Should the ones who did put up their hand feel shamed? From my point of view...no they should not.

Should personguy feel upset or embaressed that he disagrees with what you (and a bunch of others) think is a morally superior position? No he should not. If you answered yes to this question, then welcome to the cesspit of bigotry and intolerance that should be your home. You're as bad as the Nazi's (nice line to piss people off, I know, but what the hey?). Unfounded moral superiority.

If you only get one thing from this post, and this is my point.

Enlightenment does not come through thinking you are morally superior.

regards, reman

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They say "You think your good don't you".
I say "I know I'm good". People always ask stupid questions.

SO WE AGREE! Not to drop it... just to not take it any further! Cool... let's do it.

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i don't care what personguy's opinion is, it's his right to have it. but when he expresses it by his own moral superiority complex of holding himself as better than all the women who don't believe in abortion, and he insists upon his condemnations of these people, yer damn right i'm gonna say somethin about that.

everything that you're saying to me applies at least equally to personguy, yet all your lectures are pointed ONLY at me. personguy has insulted EVERY woman who believes abortion is wrong, and yet that's ok with you. it also appears to be ok with you that personguy has held himself to be morally superior for denouncing the women who are against abortion by saying 'wasn't it against their religion to get knocked up in the first place?'

my opposition toward you is not that i disagree with your opinion, but that your double standard is so damned blatant. get off it, reman. stop trying to chide and lecture me for telling personguy that it's insensitive and flat out rude to say what he has about women who consider abortion to be wrong. that's up to THEM to decide, and if you really believe everyone's entitled to their own opinion, it's not for personguy or anyone else to call them all hypocrites and sit here and curse them over and over again.

i never said my beliefs about abortion were morally superior, hell i never even stated what they WERE. i never said whether or not i was pro or con, all i said is that it's an agonizing decision and not one that anybody should be judging each other about. saying that "it's easy to point fingers" does not in any way imply that i believe that my values about abortion are superior to anybody's. in fact, i know they're not. i'm the LAST person on earth who would claim moral superiority. shit, i know that everything i do is just my own best effort to do the thing i won't hate myself for later.

by the way, you should talk about someone who tries to be morally superior as you sit here and lecture me. just where do you get off thinkin you're so much better a person than i am?

are you done trying to put me in my place yet, or are you just going to continue to bury your head in the sand and insist you must lecture me?

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

kuru: thanks. My point exactly.

[This message has been edited by Bozeman (edited September 11, 2000).]

However you (I hope) and I both know personguy is still a child in many ways, and he is male. While this may make his opinion irrelevant in many ways (in your opinion and others), you still questioned (and continue to) his right to have an opinion. We both know you are not telling the truth when you say you did not.

If you have read through my posts on this subject, it is not his or your view (or lack thereof) I have disagreed with, but the way in which you attacked him personally. Why should I sit by and watch you steamroll him into submission. Would I be remiss in not trying to help someone overcome a situation where they are in the minority of thinking such that they fear voicing their opinion for fear of ostracism. Because of your disagreement with him, you took it upon yourself not once, but twice, to chastise him for an opinion that does not match your own. I can see that you tried to be calm and rationale, but we both know that is a lie, in fact you were emotional about it and not one paragraph later you had reduced your post to nothing but a rant.

I am only defending personguy because no one else on this board would, in fact most of them just posted warnings about how he was going to get it. You have taken the stance of being the worldly and the mature at all of your 22 years (to many people you are still an infant) too far. I called you out and chided you as I still feel I should have.

<kuru>
"...perhaps you should stop running so loose at the mouth and digging yourself into a hole"

"...it'll never happen to you. quit looking down your nose and telling women what you think they should do, or what the right thing is. you're too fucking removed from it to understand it."

"you are no MAN. you are selfish, immature, and ignorant. these are the nicest things i can say about you"

"you don't know this, but i'm telling you now. at least one other person from this board approached me to tell me that i went too easy on you the first time. well, here it is bucko. i'll spell it out in white and brown. "

". i've never said that all males are cold and heartless"
</kuru>

<reman>
"I have never seen a more unreasonable and unempathic response on this board ever. Not only you do you accuse PersonGuy of being lowlife scum, but you strip him of any rights as a human being just because he is male."

"why am i raving about this. I hate people who ascribe motives and meanings to people that aren't there. I hate people who feel the need to spout intolerence and invictive towards those who disagree with their viewpoint."

don't agree with my quotes, roll your own.

regards, reman

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People ask me to fix their computer. I do in 5 seconds.
They say "You think your good don't you".
I say "I know I'm good". People always ask stupid questions.

personguy set out to deliberately attack certain women... that was very wrong of him to do. he's as entitled to his beliefs as anyone else, and i'm not going to argue that. what i will argue is that he doesn't have the right to attack those whose views are different than his. which he did attack every woman who doesn not share his pro-abortion stance. that is why i went after him.

you haven't seen that yet, and i don't expect that you will now, even though i've spelled it out numerous times.

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

And thanks reman, you did MUCH better, but I DID attack her several times, so be fair.

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I'm proud to be pro-death!

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brodie
"37!? In a row?"

[This message has been edited by brodie (edited September 13, 2000).]

quote:

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
...people who are anti-abortion who are wonderful people...

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Just like to say that It's polite to call people what they call themsleves. Pro-life is the preffered term. 'anti-abortionist' don't call pro-choicers 'pro-death' (or at least they shouldn't). Not that I really care a WHOLE lot...just saying...(I'm just bored at the moment)

i sure as hell am not anti-life.. i favor the system that involves me not forcing anyone else to adhere to my beliefs. i ask the same respect from others. i wouldn't want anyone telling me that i couldn't have an abortion if that is what i wanted, nor would i want anyone telling me that i had to have one if i did not want one.

this is just one of those things where i think that everyone's got to make up their own mind for what they'd do in their lives. hence, i am pro-choice. "pro-life" people think that nobody should ever have an abortion just because they want one.... so i guess this makes them "anti-choice"?

life will be so much simpler when we all stop trying to label every mentality and ideal we have to fit into some neat little group that can hold parades.

* kuru puts on a sign that says 'product inside may not be exactly as labeled.'

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'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

/me dumps bottle of eyedrops into eyes

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They say "You think your good don't you".
I say "I know I'm good". People always ask stupid questions.

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hence this is the reason why rabbits should be controlled.

Currently in australia there are two virii which have been released both disable rabbits to the point where they can't see or can't move hence they starve to death. Pretty eh? These two virii are called clavicivirus and mixamatosis.

When you see a rabbit afflicted by either of these diseases kick them to the side of the road (don't touch the filthy varmints!) and stamp on their necks thus breaking them, and saving them the pain of slowly starving to death or being injured by being hit by a car.

This has been a public service announcement for the benefit of PersonGuy.

Oh, and don't be bringing your inside jokes from other forums into this one!

Do we have any inside jokes here?

That went about as well as PersonGuy walking across America.

How about *FAP FAP FAP* and "go punch a parot"! Of course Wolfguards "fucknugget" is pretty original. "We want a Geek forum!" although, that died when we got one...

EDIT: /me smacks his own head.
How could I forget the Great Gneeesh! Sadamizer of all things!

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on February 16, 2001 at 09:24 AM

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