Who needs a girlfriend/boyfriend?!?

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Nuke em' till they glow and shoot em’ in the dark and let the computer sort em' out.
Then wait for a mutation…

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Originally posted by kixzor2:
Could you describe your perfect woman/man?
What are their attributes? What would they have to put up with?
What would they idealy do for you without question?
Is intelligence a factor?

Who needs a girlfriend/boyfriend?!?

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ch1ckie!

(great looking w/ MAD computer skillz)

ahhhhhhh...... yeeeeeeeaaaahhh..

i dont like threads like this, but since i have nothing else to do, why not...

um, there really is no perfect girl. i mean, everyone's got differenet opinions and every one bitches. bla bla. but if there was one, she'd just like you for who you are and wouldnt be.... ah, what the hel am i talking about? chicks dont seem to like me, so why bother?

/me goes back to Photoshop

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UT 0wnz j00 all!

sorry just listening to TMBG and this song came on just as was reading the thread!

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aventari
"this web page best viewed using a monitor.."

As far as looks:
dark hair
medium short (5'4")
not SKINNY (like "oooo, I see your bones!") but with nice smooth light/tan skin
a nice smile with VERY nice teeth
a nice rack (not nessisarilly BIG, just NICE)
well maintained feet and hands, with short nails
green eyes
cute butt

As far a traits:
smart
can hold a LONG conversation (1-2 hours) but doesn't feel upset if one only lasts 30 seconds
isn't afraid to have her own oppinion, and debate it with me if we have opposing views
laid back, but ready for anything
night life lover
food lover
movie lover

As far as sex:
A nice good appitite (5 a week)
Willing to have sex sometimes when she's not TOTALLY into it
Willing to experiment and try lots of different things
Does a little giving and a little taking
Openly discusses it, and TELLS ME WHAT SHE WANTS (what pleases HER)
Energetic and wild

Other stuff:
Needs to understand word usage... in other words not through a fit if I call her a bitch when she's being one

That do it?

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<P:\>erson\Guy.exe -PersonGuy *pERSONgUY.cfg
< http://www.go.to/personguy >

well basically, shes really really good looking, shes jewish (of course a plus) and she actually likes me (also helps) id say the only thing i dont like about her is our difference in some moralistic things, i.e. shes pronapster/im against, shes against handguns/i see the uses. but at least she realizes when to drop it. i just sorta wish i had the balls to tell her how i really feel. damn my balllessness(is that a word?)

Communication is the basis of a relationship, and the less you do it (back down) the more it's HER relationship, and the less it's YOURs.

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<P:\>erson\Guy.exe -PersonGuy *pERSONgUY.cfg
< http://www.go.to/personguy >

we were comiong back from our voyage and getting ready to put the boat back on the trailer hitch. i hopped out onto the small dock to keep the boat from hitting the edge, but then a small wave came and knocked the boat sideways. my hands were on the boat's deck and my feet were on the dock. i fell. i also lost my wallet. but as i was swimming back to the dosc to get out, this chick came into view and asked me if i was ok. i said yeah and pulled myself out of the water and she went back to her beach chair and radio. i could of sworne it was a Radiohead cd (they 0wnz j00) that was playing. then we left. all i could think about was her.

fastforward to the next day. i live in san diego so me and the 'fam went down to the baseball game. just before the start of the game, i made my usual trip to get some munchies. i was going back when i had to stop to wait fora lot of old people to pass. then this voice says 'hey, werent you the guy that fell off the dock yesterday?' i started to laugh a little bit and i said 'yeah...uh, what's your name?' i couldnt hear what she said, but i defently heard her name was Lindsay and she said she was sorry but had to go. as she turned and walked away, i could see on the back of her shirt was the Voodoo Extreme logo.
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
does that mean she likes graphic exeleration? no wait, this means she likes computers! right? hell, thats what im looking for in life (but ill take what i can get). a cute, intellegent girl that likes computers (3d graphics=games, right?) and mot of all, me.

damn, i must be on a roll! i hope i see her again. thats why i bought tickets to all of the next Padre's (the baseball team) home games for the rest of the seaon.
heheh, ok, not really. but i would like to see her again.

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UT 0wnz j00 all!

isnt that how it always is..

"girls pick the guy that makes you wanna kick and scream" -blink 182

MUST KNOW COMPUTERS!!!!!!!!!!
Gots to have smooth as skin. Dunno why I care aout that!

I don't really care what he looks like. As long as he makes an effort to look presentable and shaves @ least 2x a week.

He's got to let me practice back rubs on him.

I hate yelling and cussing, so none of that. Except the times you really need to yell "FUCK YOU!" @ something really pissing ya off!

Intelligent, individual, conversationalist, slightly horny, clean system (no drugs or smoke), enjoys a drink, and loves to watch manga in japanese to get the full effect of it's awesomeness!

My perfect guy must favour Nintendo (esp the new GameCube) over all other gaming platforms, aswell as being a pro @ gaming but not being a arsehole about knowing everything about gaming.

The "Perfect" person is one that makes you happy.

I used to think the "Perfect" guy would be into computers, Long dark hair, green eyes, artisic, musician, not too tall (I'm 5'1", listened to my kind of music, into independent films, vegetarian...blah blah blah

The perfect guy is now:
Into computers (at least that part didn't change), a cannibal (steak, steak, steak), short gray hair, brown eyes, not musically inclined in any way, 6', and likes korn (sorry, not my type of music), and doesn't like my "artsy" films.

I can pass on everything else, its all surface anyways.

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"The problem with reality is the lack of background music."

http://home.earthlink.net/~boneshsd/nita/

Someone I could talk to about anything, and would atleast hear out my ideas and listen to me and just understand where I'm coming from.

It would be best if she was between 5'4" and 5'7" so that we would be about the same size, and skinny for the same reason. Nice skin, a good smile, deep eyes that you can't really get annoyed by. And a nice butt always helps.

You see, I'm 5'8", 120 lbs, 17 years old, brown hair like keanu reeves in "Chain Reaction" but ends at the top of the ear. Brown eyes, sensitive, intellectually stimulated, technology-happy. And of course, I'm insane. No joke.

Everyone ridicules me, and never listens to my ideas. I tried telling my creative writing class about Echelon today and they all just started treating me like shit and singing so they wouldn't have to hear me. I'm just so sad all the time. I really need someone that would understand me.

Maybe I should try guys. I might have better luck.

However, I do believe that there is a perfect match for everyone in the world. Well almost everyone that is. The question is whether or not you are too busy looking for "Mr(s). Perfect" to see your match when s/he is right in front of you.

My idea of the perfect match is someone who meets all of these qualities:

You love them, and they love you (of course)

You are interested in what they have to say, and they are interested in what you have to say.

You like them and they like you. This is a must. If you don't have a deep liking for someone, it doesn't matter how much passion you have, it's not gonna last.

You want to take care of their needs, and they want to take care of your needs.

You can tell them anything, and they feel comfortable telling you anything. This does not mean that you share everything with each other, but that you are comfortable sharing anything with each other. Big difference.

You know that even the worst thing that you have ever done would not cause you to be apart, and nothing they could ever do would make you resent them.

There are some other little things that many people tend to put above some of the items I've listed, things that are only skin deep and have no meaning, and I'll list them below:

they are pretty on the outside.
they wear hip clothes.
they make you look cool when you're around them, and all your friends envy you.
they don't require much attention.

All of those are petty and meaningless criteria on which to base a relationship.

Most of all, the perfect match is someone who you just know is your match in every way. It's been my experience that couples who have stayed together will say many of these things about each other.

It's much more important what is on the inside than what is on the outside. The outside is much more prone to change than the inside; the most beautiful diamond ever found was buried in tons of dirt and rock, while the shiny rocks you find on the surface are usually worthless.

I hope that made sense, I am a bit bleary eyed now from lack of sleep, and am starting to see double. My perfect match would be someone who wasn't afraid to drag me away from my computer when I needed the rest :P

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Originally posted by Sithiee:
cannibals eat their own kind. i dont know the word for eating meat, but i know cannibal refers only to those who eat their own....

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Meat eaters are Carnivores. Plant eaters are Herbivores. Animals that eat both (ie:humans)are called Omnivores.

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When my flying days are over, and my death has come to pass
I hope they bury me upside down, so the whole damn world can kiss my ass

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"The causes we know everything about depend on the causes we know nothing about, which depend on the causes we know absolutely nothing about."- Tom Stoppard

Other than looks, I just want someone to talk to and someone that will listen when I want to vent once in a while and will at least try and show an intrest in what I'm talking about.

That is all....

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They have cats in the future?

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Hooker loves Ya

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Kelledin Tane, the Dreaming Minstrel

no matter which ex it is, and no matter which woman he's dating, she's always perfect. or so they always like to tell me.

i guess if you want to find the perfect woman, the way is, go out with me for a while, then break it off. your next girlfriend will be perfect.

(please take this with some grain of humor and don't consider me a petty bitch... i'm happy for most of them... except the one with the 3 inch dick who cheated on me. he sucks.)

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

Height: 5'11" (someone I can literally meet eye to eye)
Hair: red, the sort of shimmering red of burnished gold, or maybe a crimson red (exotic color). Shoulder-length or longer, maybe a slight wave to it, but no deep curls.
Eyes: Green, maybe a brilliant emerald shade, with long, untangled lashes. Large and fairly innocent-looking. Mescara is...optional, don't know if I'd like it or not. NOT bloodshot. Once again, fairly exotic.
Lips: Deep, dusky red, full and drawn into a delicate pout.
Nose: just about the right size, slightly upturned, not sharply pointed. Nice plus if it lacks the "hump" on the bridge.
Teeth: straight as possible, white as possible. Not much overbite.
Ears: Not too large, not sticking out too far from the head. Piercings don't mean much to me. Prefer the earlobe to be attached rather than loose.
Eyebrows: not too thick, not too thin. NOT shaven. Lightly arched, perhaps, and not meeting over the nose.
Skin: Either fair or bronze-tanned. Preferably flawless about the face, except for maybe some smile lines around the corners of the mouth.
Facial bone structure: Cheekbones slightly higher than average. General triangular structure to the face. Chin not sticking out more than normal, not receded more than normal. Little or no overbite. Normal slope to the forehead.
Neck: About average length. No double chin (duh), no turkey neck (duh). Just a muscle structure that seems to flow towards the concave between the two sides of the collarbone. Not craning too far forward.
Shoulders: Gently sloping, not hunched forward, not held back beyond their normal position.
Arms: About average length. Not too flabby, but don't like outrageous muscle tone either.
Breasts: Not too large, but not below average size. Firm and able to stand on their own. Rounded, not much more than slightly pointed. No extremely large nipples. Should rise and fall noticeably with normal breathing.
Midriff: Preferably no rise. Should just be a slight concave area beginning at the end of the ribcage and ending at the hipbones, just enough to pour a slight puddle of beer/wine/melting ice in while she's laying down (and yes, i rather like to do that). Prefer an "innie" navel. Should NOT be ultra-skinny. NO protruding ribs, except at the bottom of the ribcage.
Hands: firm, flawless skin. Preferably no calluses. Long, tapering fingers. Nails don't matter much as long as they are not jagged or dirty.
Hips: NO protruding bones. Should not be enormously flared out, but should not be narrow either.
Butt: Firm, preferably looking like two bulldogs thrown into a bag. When clad in latex or tight blue jeans, should flex with each step.
"Downstairs": Preferably an "innie." If you can't figure out what that means, I won't bother to explain it. Preferably shaven and not terribly loose.
Thighs: Average thickness, firm, NO cellulite on the inside. Long, but not skinny. NO hair.
Knees: ummm...just no large dimple under the kneecap. Should be hard to the touch.
Shins: Firm, but no terribly pronounced calf muscles. Long, but not skinny. NO hair.
Feet: hah, they're going to be callused. I don't worry about the soles of the feet. Average arch, average size, NO hair, NO ingrown toenails. No sharp, dirty, or long toenails; toenails have a way of curling up and looking ugly when they get long. Painted toenails...I rather like toenails painted in some shade of red.
Voice: Doesn't matter much, unless the voice just grates on my nerves (some do). Singing voice not necessary.
Personality: Cheerful, confident, adventuresome. MUST have backbone. I don't want someone who's afraid to get mad. Should be fit for hearing a fair amount of swearing (and be able to swear back? maybe...). NOT one of these wild personalities that goes insane without warning.
Education: Doesn't have to be a rocket scientist. Just reasonably intelligent and able to follow what people say. The last thing I want to hear is "I don't get it."

I guess that about sums it up. If you've taken the time to read through all that, you've got a lot of patience. And yes, I regularly fall in love with women who don't fit the specs.

As for me? I'm 21, 5'11", about the shape of a brick, and a little worse for wear. Pic is at < http://kelledin.tripod.com/scovsms.jpg. > People tell me I look like a biker thug or ZZ Top.

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Kelledin Tane, the Dreaming Minstrel

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Originally posted by Kelledin:
hmmm...ok then...

Height: 5'11" (someone I can literally meet eye to eye)
Hair: red, the sort of shimmering red of burnished gold, or maybe a crimson red (exotic color). Shoulder-length or longer, maybe a slight wave to it, but no deep curls.
Eyes: Green, maybe a brilliant emerald shade, with long, untangled lashes. Large and fairly innocent-looking. Mescara is...optional, don't know if I'd like it or not. NOT bloodshot. Once again, fairly exotic.
Lips: Deep, dusky red, full and drawn into a delicate pout.
Nose: just about the right size, slightly upturned, not sharply pointed. Nice plus if it lacks the "hump" on the bridge.
Teeth: straight as possible, white as possible. Not much overbite.
Ears: Not too large, not sticking out too far from the head. Piercings don't mean much to me. Prefer the earlobe to be attached rather than loose.
Eyebrows: not too thick, not too thin. NOT shaven. Lightly arched, perhaps, and not meeting over the nose.
Skin: Either fair or bronze-tanned. Preferably flawless about the face, except for maybe some smile lines around the corners of the mouth.
Facial bone structure: Cheekbones slightly higher than average. General triangular structure to the face. Chin not sticking out more than normal, not receded more than normal. Little or no overbite. Normal slope to the forehead.
Neck: About average length. No double chin (duh), no turkey neck (duh). Just a muscle structure that seems to flow towards the concave between the two sides of the collarbone. Not craning too far forward.
Shoulders: Gently sloping, not hunched forward, not held back beyond their normal position.
Arms: About average length. Not too flabby, but don't like outrageous muscle tone either.
Breasts: Not too large, but not below average size. Firm and able to stand on their own. Rounded, not much more than slightly pointed. No extremely large nipples. Should rise and fall noticeably with normal breathing.
Midriff: Preferably no rise. Should just be a slight concave area beginning at the end of the ribcage and ending at the hipbones, just enough to pour a slight puddle of beer/wine/melting ice in while she's laying down (and yes, i rather like to do that). Prefer an "innie" navel. Should NOT be ultra-skinny. NO protruding ribs, except at the bottom of the ribcage.
Hands: firm, flawless skin. Preferably no calluses. Long, tapering fingers. Nails don't matter much as long as they are not jagged or dirty.
Hips: NO protruding bones. Should not be enormously flared out, but should not be narrow either.
Butt: Firm, preferably looking like two bulldogs thrown into a bag. When clad in latex or tight blue jeans, should flex with each step.
"Downstairs": Preferably an "innie." If you can't figure out what that means, I won't bother to explain it. Preferably shaven and not terribly loose.
Thighs: Average thickness, firm, NO cellulite on the inside. Long, but not skinny. NO hair.
Knees: ummm...just no large dimple under the kneecap. Should be hard to the touch.
Shins: Firm, but no terribly pronounced calf muscles. Long, but not skinny. NO hair.
Feet: hah, they're going to be callused. I don't worry about the soles of the feet. Average arch, average size, NO hair, NO ingrown toenails. No sharp, dirty, or long toenails; toenails have a way of curling up and looking ugly when they get long. Painted toenails...I rather like toenails painted in some shade of red.
Voice: Doesn't matter much, unless the voice just grates on my nerves (some do). Singing voice not necessary.
Personality: Cheerful, confident, adventuresome. MUST have backbone. I don't want someone who's afraid to get mad. Should be fit for hearing a fair amount of swearing (and be able to swear back? maybe...). NOT one of these wild personalities that goes insane without warning.
Education: Doesn't have to be a rocket scientist. Just reasonably intelligent and able to follow what people say. The last thing I want to hear is "I don't get it."

I guess that about sums it up. If you've taken the time to read through all that, you've got a lot of patience. And yes, I regularly fall in love with women who don't fit the specs.

As for me? I'm 21, 5'11", about the shape of a brick, and a little worse for wear. Pic is at < http://kelledin.tripod.com/scovsms.jpg. > People tell me I look like a biker thug or ZZ Top.

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Nooge

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Hooker loves Ya

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Originally posted by Kelledin:
LoL I don't know if I'll ever find the mythical redheaded lover, Hooker =) I just learn not to expect every woman to look like that...makes dating a lot easier.

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I have dated my Redhead but the true REDS are hard to keep. mine cheated on me twice , why? i don't know , we talked about it and she said she has a problem being commited , but at least i know she still thinks me the best undercover

Nooge

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The Hooker loves Ya

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Originally posted by kuru:
the perfect woman is always the one who's dating my ex-boyfriend.

no matter which ex it is, and no matter which woman he's dating, she's always perfect. or so they always like to tell me.

i guess if you want to find the perfect woman, the way is, go out with me for a while, then break it off. your next girlfriend will be perfect.

(please take this with some grain of humor and don't consider me a petty bitch... i'm happy for most of them... except the one with the 3 inch dick who cheated on me. he sucks.)

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I feel your pain kuru , if its any consolation i would date you just from what i've read of your posts , you seem a lot like me , don't let that comment scare you i may be the friendly neighborhood Hooker but i'm still a 'desent' guy The perfect womam is more than a looks question it also must include attributes that relate to a more personality based creteria , ex . "DAMN , look at that hot Redhead!!!" as she then runs head first into a parking meter... sexy and attractive? ... i think not
just a Hookers POV

Nooge

though if you see him, feel free to yell loudly 'hey, squirrel nuts, how's the mosquito bite?'

not that i hate him because he had a small dick, but i'm no saint. he screwed me over, so i had to pick his most painful sore, and rub in some turpentine.

ouch. sorry nick.
(j/k. karma sucks, don't it?)

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kuru
'if your children ever found out how lame you are, they'd kill you in your sleep.' -frank zappa

A great guy is someone that will always be there for you no matter what.. he is sensitive.. and know just how to make you happy.. He knows how to make you laugh.. and he always knows how to make the best of things no matter how shitty he feels.. and no matter how far away or anything.. he still loves you.

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*GF of Caseman984*

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ü§îñg |³³t§þËåk Ðö˧ ñöt måkË ¥öü å Hå×0®!

I saw her again, she was drunk as hell (hey, she just came back from her friend's bachelorette party) and she gave me her number ... it was a pager number and she has yet to call me back

She wasn't drop dead gorgeous and she didn't have a kick ass body, but when I was around her, it just made me feel more "alive" I guess.

I hope I can find someone else like that and actually get with them and *keep* them =/

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Trying to figure out what to do with my new domain : < www.rabid-wolf.com >
Lead (only) developer of Data-Admin: < http://dadmin.sourceforge.net >

a good sense of humor, a great sense of style,a talented artist, a talented gymnast,sassy,classy, emotionaly stable but able to do crazy things, spontanious, organized, IQ of 140+, rich, influential,a skilled martial artist, able to hold intresting conversations about stuff I like, intrested in the things i do,strong willed,but able to admit when shes,wrong, dimples on her lower back, delacate but strong hands,lush hair,no family history of sickness or disese,her mother still looks good,wants to have kids,lots of them,fast motabalism, good taste in music,not afraid to try something new,plays sevral music intsrtaments, and also madly in love with me.

Where are you super girl!!

This message has been edited by Lordbrandon on September 25, 2000 at 07:41 PM

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I never let my schooling get in the way of my education - Mark Twain

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Originally posted by askheaves:
I did meet the perfect girl, became friends with her, and then left the state. It was during school (which I just graduated) and I've known her for the last 3 years. I've never known anybody like her: looks, body, mind, attitude, and fun fun fun!
By the time I realized I really liked her, and I had the nerve built up to admit it, she had a man (and, seemingly, a good one... damn, can't work that angle). Well, I've graduated now (she's still there) and I've moved to the other side of the country. I miss her. Gotta wonder what the second perfect girl will be like.

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The exact same thing happened (Is still happening?) to me. I've just started college, and I'm tryin to keep up email correspondence with a girl who was a friend of mine for six years or so, who is a Senior in high school now, and who I wish had been more than just a friend...

Anyways, in my opinion all of this talk about what the perfect physical features would be is pointless. My perfect girlfriend would be, above else, someone who I could tell anything to, and who would be able to really know who I am and still like me. And, of course, she would have to trust me in return... that's the problem that I'm having with this long-distance email relationship. I finally sent and email telling her how much I cared about her, and I never really got an answer to it... That's what I get for waiting this long, I guess. I console myself with the fact that natural selection has to somehow favor introverted computer geeks, or our kind would have died out long ago...

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Perfect Girl = nonexistant. If you're looking for perfection, you might have to wait for the afterlife, and even then you might be disappointed.

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hey, you're right. i admit it. my girlfriend likes marmite and i don't. we must be totally incompatible. i'd better dump her.[/sarcasm]

--directhex

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The master has no need for money. And yet he sits and counts it. As a meditation.
-The Book of Cataclysm

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Originally posted by Sithiee:
well id have to say that i know someone who could possibly fill that role....

well basically, shes really really good looking, shes jewish (of course a plus) and she actually likes me (also helps) id say the only thing i dont like about her is our difference in some moralistic things, i.e. shes pronapster/im against, shes against handguns/i see the uses. but at least she realizes when to drop it. i just sorta wish i had the balls to tell her how i really feel. damn my balllessness(is that a word?)

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against napster, pro handguns
lol

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Originally posted by Pete the Pirate:
tits

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Hooray for Boobies!!!!

I like boobies... thank you, Captain Obvious.. say hi to the General Observations

It seems that a lot of people here have similar goals, even if they still say that they are mainly just interested in how attractive someone is. Take this whole matter with kuru for example: every male member of this board seems to have a crush on her. Why? Because she's someone that you can actually hold an intelligent discussion with, even on matters that are quite personal. There are several girls who are friends of mine that I wish I could have met in a context such as this board, if only so that I could have conversations with them deeper than just "how did your classes go today?"

ass and titties? is that IT for you people?

--directhex

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The master has no need for money. And yet he sits and counts it. As a meditation.
-The Book of Cataclysm

You can't define your "perfect girl" only in terms of sex. That might be the basis for a very enjoyable one-night-stand, but it isn't going to last for very long.

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Originally posted by floyd:
Meeting mates online is stupid. I haven't gotten to know and be friends with one chick online that isn't fucked up. Oh well.

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If you're referring to my post, you should know that I went to college with this girl and she's graduating in 6 months. I still communicate every so often with her.

On the other hand, electronic communication is a great way to stay in touch with friends, and in that case it still allows you in some cases to be more honest than you could ever be in person. So online communication is great for relationships, as long as they're already based in real life.

You'd be surprised how many people lack of common sense these days

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Originally posted by blue~:

You'd be surprised how many people lack of common sense these days

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No I wouldn't.

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When my flying days are over, and my death has come to pass
I hope they bury me upside down, so the whole damn world can kiss my ass

Anyway, I used to think that communication was all that mattered, but I was wrong. Here's my experience, please don't make the same mistake I did:

I became BEST BEST SUPER CLOSE friends with a chick. We talked about EVERYTHING and had the craziest most interesting conversations I've ever had. We shared our most personal dreams and thoughts. We told each other everything, and weren't afraid to be oposite in oppinions. She was so smart, and could always hold her own.

Eventually it became more than just a friendship. Although it was never declaired that we were boy/girl friend we "dated". We talked even talked of living together and marriage! We exchanged words of love. We talked about kids, the future, EVERYTHING! HOWEVER, we had no sort of physical relationship. I huged her 3 times. I tuched her hand once... and that's about the extent of it.

It really belived that I meant something to her. But then one day out of no where *PersonGuy conceals identity MORE* "a male" kissed her. Just because she didn't want to shoot him down they started dating. For 2 whole years she still talked with me like nothing had changed, and he was just there for comfort while I was living in another state. We planned to move in (after Christmas).

And now... she says she can't move in with me because she has a COMMITMENT to HIM. She says III betrayed HER by being jeoulious and upset and afraid when she refused to break up with him (that was about a year ago). And that's that...

My point... talk is cheap. VERY cheap. And a kiss... well unfortunately that seals the deal. (as pointed out in a different thread) Us ugly, genious, well hung guys unfortunately have it the worse off. Man I hate that!

Whew, so whadda ya think? This bit of PersonGuy news was going to be in it's OWN thread, but I thought it fit here.

I feel bad because I still like her, but at the same time I want revenge... but revenge for what? *sigh* I hax0red "a male's" computer and uploaded all his porn to my site. One is a collection of 200 rape photos! YIKES! I might send her links (and tell her where I got it), but I can't decide if it's the right thing to do...

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P:\erson\Guy.exe -PersonGuy *pERSONgUY.cfg
< http://www.personguy.com >

This message has been edited by PersonGuy on October 30, 2000 at 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
I feel bad because I still like her, but at the same time I want revenge... but revenge for what? *sigh* I hax0red "a male's" computer and uploaded all his porn to my site. One is a collection of 200 rape photos! YIKES! I might send her links (and tell her where I got it), but I can't decide if it's the right thing to do...

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That doesn't seem like much of a moral dilemma. If someone likes looking at rape porn, he can't be trusted. Anyone who enjoys looking at that sort of thing will think nothing of doing something similar. Even if you didn't care about her, you can't let someone be stuck with a guy like that. By all means, tell her.

Damn... God girls still make bad decisions. It's unfortunate, but it's true. If you really are her friend still, and you really do think that this guy isn't right and could ruin her life, then please, tell her that. If she was willing to trust you for so long, she should be able to trust you now.

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try to do it in a way that shows that you're just concerned for her, and be prepared for the fact that she might already know. i'd say it's only symptomatic of a problem if it's a secret, but that's just me. if a guy i was dating TOLD me that he liked to look at rape scenes, and showed me what he was looking at, i might not take issue with it.

granted, my sexual tastes aren't the most mainstream in the world, but there ARE people out there who like to do the "rape fantasy." basically, play acting a rape, the girl actually fighting back, and this is part of the thrill for them. the thing here is that it has to involve a HELL of a lot of trust, and an absolute safeword that when said, ends the game. it's ONLY ok if it's a game to both parties. whether or not its unhealthy, i'm not going to debate. what goes on between two fully informed consenting adults out of the public eye is not for me to judge.

anyway, talk to her about it. it sounds like you really do care about her, and the only way that this will get resolved is if you talk to her.

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'sex is one of the most beautiful and natural things that money can buy' - steve martin

I'm waffling. Where was I?

Ah, the gender issue.

When I make friends, I make friends more easily with girls. There is usually flirting involved, but no-one oversteps the mark. I'm single, but I'm hung up over my ex. A lot of the time the girl I'm friends with is not single.

The last two close female friends I have had were either hung up on someone or not available. But that wasn't the issue, we joked, flirted, had great conversations, drank each other into oblivion, etc.

Then the thing that annoys me rears it's head. When I am with a female friend I am chivalrous, that is to say, I will treat them with the respect and courtesy I would of a partner, and I don't ogle other women normally when I'm with them, I am sweet ad infinitum. But in both cases I have been fucked off for a man, ie, it's not happening both ways.

Now while I may not have the "say" to demand equal of what I give myself, it constantly pisses me off when this happens, like the girl will go get a man while i'm with them, leaving me with fuck all to do. Pisses me off.

Girl recently, in fact well today -- I refused to speak with her until just now. We were REALLY close friends until she came to a party with me and pulled someone else & disappeared off in his car, leaving me alone. Then twice after that she pissed me off -- so I thought, "well, in that case, she can go get bent!" and I decided to remove all niceness from my relationship with her, I wasn't making any effort for her any more, etc. I'd not had more than nonchalant contact with her except her saying she missed me for a couple of weeks and everything was dandy, until a couple of days ago she rings crying her eyes out saying how me not being in her life was something she couldn't bear; how I was more important to her than her partner (!), and basically I went round her house (innocently - but no mean feat as she lives in another city), didnt tell her partner (who is a friend of mine), demanded I sleep in her bed with her, and then she spent a couple days with me going out for my b'day etc. But tonight she buggered off again, and I'm pretty sure I'm through with her.

PersonGuy, the point I'm making, although it's convoluted, is this. You may have had a very intense friendship, with flirting / even serious commitments, but yes, physical things nearly always override "friendship stuff". It's frustrating because if this girl was a man, then this wouldn't be an issue. But I also know I couldn't have this quality of friendship / or maybe more fair to say this type of friendship with a man.

Women love to be adored. If you're a constant source of that without any comitment from her end, then all the better for her. That's why nice guys finish last -- if women don't have to work for it then they won't, and the ones that are more of a challenge are more fun to go after.

What maybe is required for you is a break from her. If she realises she can't live without you, then she will come back, and who knows where it will go?

There's a saying that applies here : "If you like someone, open your heart to them, but if you love them, close it" - if she comes back to you, it is worth any amount of hassle, but if she doesn't need you, then perhaps it's time to start a new chapter.

My 308123 cents.

I'm sobering up now, time to go to bed, methinks.

** standard disclaimer : this is from personal experience, if you're a woman and strongly object to my views and generalisations; please reformat your drive or at least take it on the chin, I realise you're not ALL the same, ok? **

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"My name is John Johnson but everyone knows me as Vickie."

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Originally posted by askheaves:
The not-so-nice guy has the ability to not care about the friendship, and will take a stab at getting some ass. When this works, the girl seems to get hooked. When it doesn't, the dude moves on, nothing lost. This is why us nice guys will continue to lose.

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Yes, and people like myself who are also idealists have it even harder, since I am unwilling to change my behavior and treat a girl in that way even if I know that it may be the only working strategy, for the simple reason that if I care about someone I'm not about to start trying to pressure or manipulate them into doing something. Treating people with respect is a big part of my personality, and even if it means that I lose out in a lot of situations, it's something that I want to stay true to.

You see, we talked for a long time when she basically "dumped" me and gave me illogical reason after illogical reason WHY. At the end she asked if we could still be friends and I said that would be fine.

BUT then I decided that I need to shead a little bit of my pussyness. So I got my balls back when I told her very bluntly that we CAN'T be JUST friends. And that she either needs to be in my life or GET OUT! Don't call; don't write! Further more I asked her to confirm that there is absolutely NO future possible at all.

She couldn't respond... or mabey she simply HASN'T.

I sent her another message that says that if I don't have a YES or NO answer in 3 days I'm going to be pissed. I told her that I don't like being toyed with, and I'm going to start "playing" back if she doesn't at least agnolage me as a person over here!

THAT is where the porn snatching comes in. It's really out of meanness, and funness! Sure, mabey a little bit of concern, but I don't want it to come off that way!

*sigh* and that's why I asked, cause it's all so confusing.

Oh, and it's Animé gang rape porn... does that make a difference?

Oh, and does that make me an ass or something? Just wondering...

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Oh, and for the mean time, have fun with it :
< gangrape > - < felitia > - < morgan > - < text >

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This message has been edited by PersonGuy on November 01, 2000 at 04:56 PM

There is only one premise that I will put forward. People are neurotic thats right people, both genders male and female have their neuroses.

But the big difference is how they express them and how they relate to people about them.

First we'll start with guys since most people here are predominantly male. Guys tend to deny their neuroses and in fact tend to over compensate for them in other ways, or pretend to be the exact opposite. They won't talk about them to anyone, even their mates. If someone brings it up in conversation they automatically bring up the "not me" defenses. While at the same time if they see this weakness in another guy they will tease them about it mercilessly, even if it's only perceived. Guys are also lucky in that social conditioning means they have much less to worry about, though the gap is lessening.

A great example of a neuroses for a guy is penis size, one way of overcompensating for this is the rest of their body, they will work out and have huge muscles. Next time you see a huge buff guy start to talk about penis size and see if they flinch or suddenly roar about how they have a huge schlong...dead giveaways of a penis size neuroses. another good one is baldness

Guys also tend to have only one major neuroses that they focus on, the rest don't really matter.

Okay now for the other side, chicks have huge amounts of neuroses, they have lots and they have been programmed in since birth. am i fashionable? am i too fat? do people think im a slut? am i pretty? is my career for me? am i getting breast cancer?...

I threw that last one in because neuroses dont have to be irrational, in fact they can be quite valid. they also dont have to be about their body or unimportant things. believe me chicks have neuroses about everything. think of a possible worry and believe me a chick will have had or does have a neuroses about it.

Now the important bit. chicks socialise their neuroses. thats right guys, they will talk about it, commune about it, workshop it...whatever. if they have someone around who will listen and they feel a modicum of comfort then they will start pouring out.

now the bad thing about all this is that this doesnt help you (in a way) score with a chick (and i dont mean score as in sex). but it will help you in small ways. guys always say that they can't pick the signals that chicks give, perhaps thats because they dont signal in the same way. what do you do if you are interested in a chick? you check em out, you will glance at them, smile, hope to catch their eye? thats all we do to show chicks we are interested. funnily enough they do the same thing, freaky eh?

you know how there is the idea that the arseholes get all the chicks...i'll tell you why. arsehole guys listen when a chick tell him of her neuroses (remember she cant help it) then he goes a derogotises(a word?) her over it, ignores it, highly emphasises it, etc. he makes it seem like she is an idiot for having it, bingo, she feels better, he gets some sex0ring. on the other hand the nice guy will pander to the neuroses, understanding it (yeah right!), and reinforcing it...making her vindicate her belief in the neuroses, makes her feel worse, so no fux0ring for him.

So the point of this post. If you want some sex0ring then if the chix0r mentions a neuroses then shoot it down with a flame and you'll be gettin some nookie later.

any questions?

regards, reman

ps chicks are neurotic about being neurotic, so many chicks will deny being neurotic just cos their neurotic about being neurotic! get it!

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They say "You think your good don't you".
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Originally posted by reman:
arsehole guys listen when a chick tell him of her neuroses (remember she cant help it) then he goes a derogotises(a word?) her over it, ignores it, highly emphasises it, etc. he makes it seem like she is an idiot for having it, bingo, she feels better, he gets some sex0ring. on the other hand the nice guy will pander to the neuroses, understanding it (yeah right!), and reinforcing it...making her vindicate her belief in the neuroses, makes her feel worse, so no fux0ring for him.

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For the most part, you seem to be accurate here. However, I would add that if a girl shares a "neurosis" with you she may be expecting you to deny that it is true. For instance, women will often say that they think they look ugly in order to get you to contradict them - fishing for compliments. So you don't have to make fun of someone or deride them because they reveal anxiety about something, just let them know that they have no reason to be worried.

The penis issue has always baffled me. While I actually have a larger than average penis size (i'm not kidding), I understand that women don't fixate on size. It's merely a pleasant reward after coming upon a guy who stimulates them mentally (leading to orally). I don't know how a man can care about this until the moment the hands move down their pants... not like a woman would stop because of a thumb-dick. It's not something that women can see until that time, so what's the big deal. I don't get chicks much recently, but it's not because of my penis, it's because I'm not a physically rare speciman of muscles. When I have had luck with 'chicks', it's because they have been exposed to my mind, and I have been able to 'give' to them (in the form of attention, affection, conversation, etc).

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Originally posted by reman:
If you want some sex0ring then if the chix0r mentions a neuroses then shoot it down with a flame and you'll be gettin some nookie later.

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I don't think you have to be an asshole to get some sex0ring. It's a matter of switching from Nice Guy mode to Mr. Wonderful... you can understand the neuroses and then help the ch1ck1e get over 'em.

Example : my current love interest has a fear of freeways, traveling, and riding in a car if she's not the driver. Most dudes rag on her about this, and it pisses her off. So one day she's telling me about her phobias, and I'm telling her how I helped my ex-girlfriend get over her fear of going over bridges (basically I'd just drive over them while speaking in a soothing voice to keep her calm). Then I offered to help her - she gave me a total Look of Love and said "yes, please do."

So now I'm helping her with it. Basically it involves going cool places by myself (which I've always done anyway) and coming back and excitedly detailing my experiences in order to highlight the fact that travelling is cool, offering to drive every once in a while, looking wistfully at freeway onramps when we drive by them, talking about how cool it feels to cruise along at 85 miles an hour, and all the while telling her don't bother feeling stupid about this, just take baby steps until you get over it. A couple weeks ago we went somewhere and I actually got to drive... she sat there saying "look, just go straight there, don't try and push me" and I shot back "if I did that, it would blow whatever trust you have in me right now and that would screw up our friendship so there is no way in hell I'd do that to you." Wow. That earned me the warmest hug I've ever had from her. And now when assholes give her shit she comes back and bitches about asshole men and tells me how wonderful I am, etc. etc. etc.

In short, don't be afraid to CARE - which is different from letting her walk all over you. If this chick starts dating an asshole she's going to get an earful from me and she KNOWS that... she has also been known to be a Dumb Girl when it comes to guys, and I have been trusted with the responsibility to keep her from doing that again.

Damn. I'm probably gonna wind up marrying this chick or something...

oh and the real perfect girl is the one who makes you happy..thats all that really matters

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I love Kari p00h! :)

Have any of you come close to finding that perfect person?

I have, and I blew my chances so badly!

How bout you?

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reman

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People ask me to fix their computer. I do in 5 seconds.
They say "You think your good don't you".
I say "I know I'm good". People always ask stupid questions.

Anyway, yah it came out a folder call "la blue girl" in his directory tree, but I don't know enough about anime to know that...

I didn't put it all up, just those 3 folders... there was actually 84MB worth!

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Originally posted by kixzor2:
Damn this is a good topic!

Have any of you come close to finding that perfect person?

I have, and I blew my chances so badly!

How bout you?

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The girl I'm seeing now is pretty damn close to it... intelligent, open-minded, playful, pretty, and to top it all off she has a body to die for. The only problem : she is in that "after a seriously horrible relationship" phase... her and her ex of 7 years finally called it off for good about a year and a half ago, she dated her brains out for about a year, and then gave up on the whole love thing.

But I ain't worried... we hang out every night, we play all the time, we flirt with each other like mad, and otherwise act like we're totally in love with each other. No sex0ring because she's afraid of getting into a Serious Relationship and then having everything go wrong. So I figure the best thing to do is kick back & enjoy what I got... the best way to blow it is to decide it's has to be either Serious or Nothing...

--directhex

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The master has no need for money. And yet he sits and counts it. As a meditation.
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Originally posted by CatKnight:
Not only that, she is one of those girls who has a bunch of guy friends who are probably all waiting in line to date her.

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Just because she has a bunch of guy friends, it doesn't mean you don't have a chance. Just become friends with her & see what happens... if she's perfect for you than a good chance you're perfect for her too, you know? Especially if you make it clear that what you REALLY want isn't sex0ring, but to spend time with her, get to know her... it's very rare for a guy to do that, and women DO appreciate it, believe it or not.

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Originally posted by kixzor2:
Could you describe your perfect woman/man?
What are their attributes? What would they have to put up with?
What would they idealy do for you without question?
Is intelligence a factor?

Who needs a girlfriend/boyfriend?!?

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I have indeed found a somebody who is as far as I can tell perfect for me at this time in my life.
He is sporty (well - cricket, swimming, ice skating, street hockey etc.....)
Shortish - 5"8 (i'm 5"5)
1337, 5w337, and mine :P

We are not really into sex0ring too much - wich is really cool. Low stress. I think I may be becoming too soft! I'm not a superbitch like Kuru, but I think this love thing takes the edge off ya.

Edit: We all mess up once in a while.

This message has been edited by askheaves on December 30, 2000 at 06:58 PM