Topic: Christian girls.
started by: melk0r
well this year i have come to know a very hot, smart girl, who also happens to be very religious. she is a born again christian (pretty uncanny for a 16 year old, eh?) so she is like a bible toting grapefruit. i get the grapefruit part from her lack of personality. anyway, me and her have become to be pretty good friends i guess, and i found that she did have a personality. but the thing is, i dont really like her anymore, and now she likes me to death, its totally pathetic. i NEVER get chicks, but this one is a total hottie/smartie. so now im in a total dilemna. whenever we talk its always uncomfortable because we are struggling to find something we have in common to talk about. has this ever happened to any guys out there?
Although, this is a really good topic. I've found the opposite situation in most cases. The things that tend to go along with bible thumpers seem to turn me off quite a bit, and tends to somehow dull their personality. It's not their belief in God, or their worship of him/her/it that does it. It's the bombardment of morals that seem to instill a fear that keeps them within very tight rails of behavior and conversation. Along with that is a stricter set of priorities that aren't necessarily compatible with me.
The situation you happen to be in is a bit different, as she is of the 'born-again' variety. She's found a new appreciation for God, which can't be faulted. She hasn't had the constant moral treatment.
What I don't understand is how you two came so close if you have nothing in common. I guess the best recommendation is to find something active to do, like a date. That will give you something to talk about at the time. If that don't work, then try current events. Lots of neat things seem to happen in the world each day.
but anyway, i agree. there is a really specific type of personality i love in a girl and i've only met 3 in my life. one is dating her best friend and is totally smoochy with him, one is dating a guy who could be my clone ( 
) and the other...well you know. anyways point being, if she likes you then your best bet would be to try to like her back. get interested in what she likes (maybe not religion, but stuff associated with religion). or get her interested in stuff you like. anyways im just throwing out suggestions.
It's all about trust.
I'm in pain now.
I think it'll be standard to see if you actually have things in common, or can stand each other. Just having one partner be hot/smart isn't a good basis for a relationship.
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SAVE HER FROM A LIFE OF BEING UPTIGHT.
Since she's crazy for you, and you're not born again Christian, I bet if you just kissed her and ignored the Christian b.s. for a while her morals would slide... she'd start having fun, and you'd probably have a cool, good-looking chick.
Or she turns out to suck even more, in which case you dump her, and she becomes a nun and stays the hell out everbody's way.
Either way, going for her is the right thing to do.
DO YOUR DUTY, SON!!!
-Coach Lucifer
christian chicks wanna wait.
god damn i hate that
that reminds me of girls that i have heard have anal sex because they don't want to loose their virginity. thats fucked up.
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Posted by remen:
ask to have buttsex0r with her, and if she seems hesitant allow her to do you first with a strap-on.
It's all about trust.
what is it with australians and buttsex0r
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The problem seems to be in the I-D-10-T operater...
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Originally posted by melk0r:
she is reallllly dependant upon waiting til marriage til she does it.
that's easy to change. I converted my second girlfriend from being Christian to being secular... just kiss her passionately, love every inch of her body, and point out that over 60\% of all marriages end in divorce because people get all confused... for some reason they think "we have sex a lot, so we should get married so we're not sinners" or something dumb like that. A few years down the road they hate each other and get divorced... what's worse? Divorce or premarital sex?
don't let this poor thing stay a Christian, man... she's heading for a life of being annoying and boring, and when the revolution comes she'll be up against the wall.
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god has a HARD ON for marines - Full Metal Jacket
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Originally posted by CatKnight:
girls that i have heard have anal sex because they don't want to loose their virginity.
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ira vehementi
What Would Jesus Do? He'd get a group of his dozen or so closest buds, drink a bunch of wine (hand made, of course), and start a revolution. Go around and party and piss people off. Then, get caught by the law and sentanced by the judge.
cause he was partyin it up and pickin up chicks. i mean think about it, 'i'm the son of god' is a hell of a career to use on a chick.
she's all like 'i sell camel dung. what do you do?' 'oh me? i'm the son of god.'
i bet jesus got laid a lot.
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I bet he'd kick an ass or two, that's what Brian Boitano'd do!
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Originally posted by darksol:
fuck this shit, whats wrong with waiting? why is being a christian and a girl wrong? wtf? and i suppose having morals are bad too?
The only part of being a christian that i see is wrong is you (as a group) try to ram your morals down our necks.
Premarital sex is wrong cause god said so.
abortion is wrong because god said so.
being gay is wrong becaus god said so.
Does god talk to any one of you?
no?
Then sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. Im sick and tired of "good christians" trying to tell me what to do. If god wants me to do different he/she will tell me him/her self.
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This message has been edited by Wolfguard on February 19, 2001 at 05:39 AM
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This message has been edited by darksol on February 19, 2001 at 05:52 AM
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This message has been edited by darksol on February 19, 2001 at 05:48 AM
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"dont question this"
"its better"
"it never depends, you must always"
and he/she/it doesnt even explain why. well, VERY rarely.
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Originally posted by Wolfguard:
[BIf god wants me to do different he/she will tell me him/her self.[/B]
again, if god wants me to change he/she will tell me. Till then i figure the maker is fine with what im doing.
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not bad for a 7 year old.
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kuru
'dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal desire.'
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damage@detonate.net
"On a long enough timeline the survival rate for anyone drops to zero."
-Narrator 'Fight Club.'
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Originally posted by damage:
My favorite was always, "Is there anything God can't do?" Typical response in "no" to which I reply, "Can he create a rock big enough that he can't lift it?"
That question keeps turning up as some sort of proof of the non-existence of God.
It proves nothing!!!
Simplified, the question asks "can God do something He can't do?" - to which the answer HAS to be no, because the question is framed that way.
Concluding that the answer to the rock question says ANYTHING about God's omnipotence is retarded. Omnipotence means you can do everything that can be done, not things that can't be done because they don't make any sense whatsoever.
This message has been edited by damien_s_lucifer on February 20, 2001 at 03:01 PM
"If god was to create a 10 dollar bill, would it be legal tender?"
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Second, like any paradox, it is not meant to prove OR disprove anything. By definition, a paradox cannot do either.
I simply chose to use it to frustrate anyone who is so rigid in their beliefs that they can neither entertain a conversation that challenges those beliefs nor take a good natured joke regarding them.
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"On a long enough timeline the survival rate for anyone drops to zero."
-Narrator 'Fight Club.'
HES/SHES/ITS NOT A PHYSICAL BEING!
If you want to believe in god LOGICALLY I suggest you make a theory, even though you probably wouldn't be able to test it anyways.
Can you tell me how and why we can distinguish right from wrong? What the hell is god and how does it work?
The concept of god was made for probably 2 reasons:
1. Push humans to do stuff to try to find out what god is and how it works (not saying its a device either).
2. Answer questions that those stupid monks couldn't.
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Originally posted by damage:
First off, damien, it was meant as a joke.
Really? I have no sense of humor so I wouldn't know.
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I simply chose to use it to frustrate anyone who is so rigid in their beliefs that they can neither entertain a conversation that challenges those beliefs nor take a good natured joke regarding them.[/B]
Sometimes, when I'm in a bad mood, I laugh at them and make them feel stupid for believing in God. It's a cool game, since they like being martyrs. But mostly I just smile and nod and keep walking.
Elephant + Castle in london is a place where loads of forms of public transport meet (trains, underground etc). consequently the local denomination (who appear to have something about spurgeons in their name) decided that they had a rich vein of thousands of bewildered, impressionable ppl right outside their front door, so they started doing the whole 'repent or die' ting in groups of about 5 with loud speakers. and that was bloody noisy. and very annoying when you've got to wait for a bus for 20 mins. so first, just trying to cause trouble really, we wrote a letter asking them to stop - we got an invitation to an Alpha course. that pissed us off, so then we asked the police. they told us to just deal with it. then we thought - hang on, if the law is on our side here...what if we hang about making *exactly* the same amount of noise. that'd piss them off wouldn't it. so armed with a decibel meter, a big fuck off portable stereo and some of the most offensive techno i'm ashamed to say i own, 5 of us turned up on afternoon and stood about 15 ft from them. 5 mins of Jel Ford remixes at 78.8dB (and some very silly dancing) and they called the police. we told the police when they arrived that we were trying to convert ppl to techno and that if they wanted to do us for disturbing the peace, they'd have to do them as well (cue much waving of decibel meter). police leave vowing never to return. public starting to find this funny by this point. 2 mins later christians pack up their funky shit and leave. we have it to more techno in celebration. a small victory - they were back the next day. so we did it a couple more times. they still do it, but now all we need is for one of us to turn up with the stereo and they fuck off. praise the lord. ok i know it was childish and that they secretly enjoy all the persecution (i'm going to heaven and you're not, so nerrrrrr) but damn it felt good.
i think my point is that it's not worth fighting them on philosphical/logical grounds - they have faith, which in my opinion is a mild form of insanity and you can't argue with that. no, better to stoop to using their own tactics
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even if his brain wasn't mush - which it is - he chewed out his own tongue a long time ago
I also like asking the jesus freaks, "If Jesus comes again, will you swallow?"
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damage@detonate.net
"On a long enough timeline the survival rate for anyone drops to zero."
-Narrator 'Fight Club.'
Im not saying I stopped having sex or going out on the weekends but now on Sundays I go to church and every month I go to confession and lately I feel like things are just a bit better because I found something IN ME that makes me happy. Its not god or jesus or anything its FAITH to be me and be happy. I dont have a belief I have an IDEA about God and the world that I live in. And though sometimes the world isnt perfect and things go horribly wrong I dont sit there and say "god why?" I think "god thank you for giving me the strength to see myself though another difficult time"
Im not preaching, Im not "born again" Im just rediscovering what makes me- ME! Im happy and thats what matters.
If shes happy and she believes in God because she believes then I dont think you should "currupt" her because she is doing what makes her happy. If you cant deal with that you should find someone else.
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"I ated the purple berries...they tasted like burning"
I've just taken the attitude that I don't really care if there is a God or not. If there's no god, I just got that 1/7 of my life back that would have been spent in church. If there is a god, and he is so great, then the life I've led will get me into heaven even without believing in him. Otherwise, he's just a pompus ass.
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Originally posted by kuru:
and i said 'when god is standing right in front of me, i will stop asking questions.'not bad for a 7 year old.
hehe
Not me! I got lots of questions!
Number one on the list
God, why did you make so many fucknuggets and stupid people?
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Originally posted by Wolfguard:
[BGod, why did you make so many fucknuggets and stupid people?
[/B]
hehe. you can't appreciate smart people unless you have stupid ones bouncing around...
Unforunately alot of religious people are stupid (or is it the other way around...) and they give everyone else a bad rap.
Anyway, I go to a Vietanmese Christian church every once in a while BECAUSE they don't speak English. And then it become about what religion really SHOULD be about... comunity and bring people together for happy times. Reflecting on your life and how it affects others. (BTW: I'm not religious and ESPECIALLY not Christian) Besides... it's fun to sing hymns in another lanuage! 
Anyway, my advice: remeber not to force YOUR non-beliefs on HER! It shouldn't be something that you have to keep brining up around her. You've stated your oppinion, and just let it die. If she won't have sex until marriage, that's HER thing. She's been upfront and if you can't accept that as part of being in a relationship with her, then you need to move on right now.
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Originally posted by solid:
The concept of god was made for probably 2 reasons:1. Push humans to do stuff to try to find out what god is and how it works (not saying its a device either).
2. Answer questions that those stupid monks couldn't.
i always thought it was more like jesus looking around and saying .. 'this place is fucked up.. all these poor being laying around and no one helping them...
i think ill write a book about how people should help them..'
... but more on the subject, i never really have a lot of christian friends, and it bothers me how much christians want YOU to be a christian also... but i also wouldnt want to see what the world would look like withOUT organized religion...
(no morals for anyone... that would suck... more than likely)
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This message has been edited by ic0n0 on March 04, 2001 at 08:24 AM
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Muslems: 16\%
Athiest: 12\%
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And you know what else? There's a lot of people who're pretty damn anti-christian...liberals and the internet community being two of the more prominant groups. But the bottom line is Christianity really isn't that bad of a deal..., even the fire'n'brimstone types of preachers are still preaching that you punish bad people, and reward the good. Why the hell do so many people object to a religion that basically says be good to people?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Christianity is a particularly good way to describe the world around you, but if we're going to have some kind of ignorance imposed on the masses, I'd rather have the ignorance of Christianity than the ignorance of liberalism. Bottom line is as far as religions go Christianity really 'aint that bad...
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Once you start dealing with other people, whatever your faith, you've lost the power to deal with them on your own terms. Face it.
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Originally posted by diusFrenzy:
you punish [b]bad people, and reward the good. Why the hell do so many people object to a religion that basically says be good to people?[/B]
I don’t have a problem with punishing the bad and rewarding the good, I just disagree with what is bad/good. Bad = drinking, smoking, sex, drugs, swearing, not eating your vegetables, etc. Good = not having any fun? No thanks. (On a side note I will probably enjoy hell, since everyone I know will be there)
Also, I find it quite sad that SOME people (note how I very distinctly didn’t say most or all) need religion to tell them not to be assholes to each other.
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Originally posted by diusFrenzy:
Seriously though, when you take the position "Christians shouldn't be imposing their morality on me, how dare they" aren't you being just as holier-than-thou? You're basically forcing [b]your beliefs on them, namely that they shouldn't be preaching to you.
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But I am not forcing my beliefs on them. Most Christians would be offended if I were to preach atheism to them, so I don’t. Doesn’t the bible say something about “do onto others…” I simply wish that they would extend the same courtesy to me that I am giving them by not trying to convert them to something that they have made a conscious decision to not take part in.
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Come meet your maker boy, some things you can't enjoy
Because of heaven/hell, a fucking wive's tale
They put it in your head, then put you in your bed
He's watching, say your prayers -
'Cos God is everywhere ...Now I'll play a man learning priesthood,
Who's about to take the ultimate test in life
I'd question things because I am human
And I'd call no-one my father who's no closer than a stranger, I won't listen ...
I think that pretty much sums it up 
Edit : there's no [u] tag on the UBB? huh?
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As I chase the leaves like the words I never find ...
This message has been edited by incubus on March 05, 2001 at 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by diusFrenzy:
Why does religion have to be considered a crutch for people too ignorant to see the world as it really is? (seems to be the theme of a lot of these posts...), it's funny how most atheists think of atheism as the objective way of describing the world around you, and religion as a bunch of silly answers to questions that bothered people..., much the same way that most religious folks think of their views as the objective way of describing the world.
except something objective would have almost everyone coming up with the exact same answer given the exact same clues. and it in NO way involves "having faith"
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Originally posted by Sithiee:
in NO way involves "having faith"
I disagree. I think that athiesm (in its dictionary definition with a scientific twist) has its roots in a faith that man will come up with better answers by basing everything off of circular assumptions. In the end, it all comes down to a man-made representation of the universe... numbers, words, math, observations, etc. We have a great practical and scientific understanding of things around us that we can perceive and describe. It's all based on some core faiths though. Forward is forward. Speed is speed. Lighter carries more energy. Whatever part of physics comes with laws based on observations and supporting evidence and proofs. But there is nothing saying that the whole house of cards can't fall over.
I, personally, am egnostic. I'm so egnostic that I don't even know if I'm spelling it right. If there's a god, and he's as good as everybody says, then he'll be happy with how I've spent my life, and reward me accordingly. If he's not so great, then he's gonna damn us all anyways. If he isn't there, then I'm one day of the week ahead of everybody else. Pretty simple if you ask me. God doesn't bug me, I don't go on a shooting spree. I'm capable of using my own recognizance to keep me in line.
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This message has been edited by ic0n0 on March 05, 2001 at 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by PersonGuy:
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I don't believe that. I think some people describe that because they're not sure, but alot of those people are agnostic. I'm agnostic for sure, all agnostic means is that you're not sure if there's a god or not. So I sorta fit in with askheaves here.
Personally though I've only met 1 christian I can really respect, and that would be my grandpa. My grandpa has been preaching it doesn't what faith you have, but that you have faith since he was young. He's a reverend BTW. You can actually sit down and have really intelligent conversations with my grandpa 'cause he's a very smart guy. On a similar note I've only met one semi-respectable atheist, one that could actually argue his point, and actually really believed there was no way there was a god.
This message has been edited by DeadAnztac on March 05, 2001 at 02:45 PM
If I thought the existence of God was necessary then I would have to believe in him. That's my kind of muddled logic anyway. It makes sense to me and that's all that matters (until someone changes my mind (joke, doesn't happen very often)).
There's nothing wrong wit Christians telling you that you should believe in God.
Say you went on the biggest, phattest rollercoaster there was and you had an amazing experience, you would want everybody you met and/or cared about to go on this ride because you enjoyed it so much. It's the same with Christians. Believing in God is such a fantastic experience for them that they wish everybody did it, they feel love from a superbeing and want to share it with others.
Jehovah's Witnesses have come to my door before and I chatted with them on the doorstep (I'm pretty openminded) and after they'd told me what they believed I disagreed with them and they tried to show that the bible had some fundamental stuff about the universe in it including a (vague, wishy-washy) reference to gravity and I said it doesn't really matter because so does Principia Mathematica and I don't believe in Isaac Newton's everlasting soul.
So, where the hell am I? It's the sort of questions atheists have to ask themselves a lot. I used to be agnostic but then I realised that really despite having some doubts about there not being a god to enteretain the thuoght taht there isn't a god would mean that I don't believe in it and then I came up with my little saying at the start.
Notice how the post comes full circle? Clever, innit?
cheers
This message has been edited by ic0n0 on March 05, 2001 at 07:21 PM
And Blain, to an extent you are forcing your beliefs on them. You're not forcing atheism upon them, but you are telling them that it's wrong to try to convert people..., while there might be a problem with the religious forcing a person to accept their beliefs, they rarely do..., they just propose their beliefs and ask you to think about it.
And if you disagree with the specific's of what constitutes right & wrong, hey at least the message of "be good to good people" still gets through. People will always disagree with specifically what's right & what's wrong, but if a religion is to have an underlying message, the Christian message really isn't all that bad.
A lot of Christian's who are preaching are doing nothing more than saying what their beliefs are. Liberals & Netizens need not interpret this as someone "ramming their beliefs down my throat", but just as an exchange of ideas, someone elses opinion.
Incubus, while I would certainly am not questioning the infinite wisdom to be found in the lyrics of heavy metal songs, I might suggest that there are times when perhaps Pantera is in fact not the best source of analysis on a subject...
Why does religion have to be considered a crutch for people too ignorant to see the world as it really is? (seems to be the theme of a lot of these posts...), it's funny how most atheists think of atheism as the objective way of describing the world around you, and religion as a bunch of silly answers to questions that bothered people..., much the same way that most religious folks think of their views as the objective way of describing the world.
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and she is actually really driven. i found some things that disappointed me, but it gave me a view to why she is such a strong christian, so i cant help but feel bad for pre judging her. i am happy, have been since friday, and probably will be for a while 
edit: you guys kinda took this along the lines of religion debates and whether i was going to get sex or not. i was talking about general terms, no sexual innuendo at all. and im disappointed you guys had to turn this into a religion debate.
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This message has been edited by melk0r on March 13, 2001 at 06:22 PM