Topic: drag vs. drift racing
started by: veilside
but it requires lots of skill to pull off a good drift... the cars suspension must be tweaked in some cases and the driver has to know what he's doing. but it looks cool as hell... the car appears to move sideways when it's done well.
the only time i have ever seen it done is on an a very icy road, which makes it possible no matter how shitty your car is, as long as it's got rear wheel drive. the videos they got on the site are awesome and it would infact be a cool thing to have competitions in. perhaps some day somebody will start a drifter's club in canada
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Originally posted by JLb_8:
anyone who's played Gran Turismo knows that drifting is cool, but that its not good for a real race.
For the most part, this is true. But in japan a popular type of racing is "touge" (pronounced tow-gay i think) in which drifting is used since it is sometimes the most efficient way of traversing the corners on the narrow downhill mountain passes.
As for the tire wear though, drifters probably just use some shitty tires in the rear (since the whole idea of drifting is to intentionally lose grip on the rear wheels).
but of course, it's not suited for all courses.. i usually use grip driving unless i feel like screwing around..
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We have drift competitions over here in Australia, except its more of an underground thing. As for tyre wear, if done properly , there would be pretty much the same amount of wear on all tyres, not just rear biased, as the cars are 4wd. The way they get the car sideways in the first place is actually a stab of brakes and a correct suspension set up. There was a twin turbo commodore ute over here a while ago, called "The Judge" After a little while, he took the heavily worked engine and put it in an obscure car that i forget the name of. He ended up hitting the wall at the end of a drag strip at 300Km/hr and killing himself. There was a huge commemorative cruise with 100's of cars in several states because of it. I was recently lucky enough to drive a properly set up drift car, imported from japan, it had all the drift pads on the interior, a modified dash, adjustable suspension.. all really sweet stuff. the car drove a little strange at first, but it was heaven once you were in a corner at 140km/hr. Really smooth, snug feel with the drift pads and the harness. Anyways, enough blabbering.
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Originally posted by shifter:
4wd drive cars can't drift...not very well anyways.
sure they can!!! i even have a video of a skyline gt-r (4wd) doing some amazing drifts (it's a popular car for drifting in fact). i've also seen it done by a subaru impreza wrx, mitsubishi lancer evo, and others, all 4wd. according to the driftclub.com site, the video of the lancer drifting supposedly won the drift competition. so it's just that a 4wd car needs to be used with different techniques to get the car sideways and maintain the drift. but it is entirely possible for them to do it, and do it very well, too.
This message has been edited by chmod on September 09, 2001 at 02:34 PM
btw, you've seen a prelude drift? they're FF.. that's interesting.. shifter, check out the driftclub.com site, they have plenty of videos of 4wd drifting..
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FF drifting is not that hard if you have mastered other drifts. the difference is i set up for the corner with my handbrake, stopping the back wheels, then using the front ones to pull you out of the corner. I guess its not actually drifting per se, in my opinion.
I once won a carton of Hahn Premium by drifting my friends Turbo Scoupe in a carpark =) Fond memories!
The way i learnt to drift, was on wet greasy roads in a ute. Thats the first place you'll learn how to hold a car sideways =)
"Anyone can go into a corner sideways, but only some people can get it out."
quote:hmm... i see.. i just tend to call both just "drifting," maybe it's Initial D's japanese vocab that did it to me
Originally posted by YouGunnaStopMe?:
To my (possibly limited) knowledge, Drifting is being in a corner with all 4 wheels sliding. In a rear wheel drive, you dont really "drift" for as long, its more what we just call "getting sideways". The front wheels point where you wanna go, and the back slides round. With "drifting", all of the wheels are sliding. It's more a matter of adjusting your momentum using the small amount of difference in tyre grip at different rev's. Drifting requires set up before the corner, a correct line. You actually enter the corner just about facing the way you want to enter it. With getting sideways, its more entering the corner with speed and waiting till the apex to kick the back out and slide it round.
the "drifting" you talk about, where you start sliding before the entrance of the corner, those are awesome. quote:hah, that's great.
I once won a carton of Hahn Premium by drifting my friends Turbo Scoupe in a carpark =) Fond memories!
This message has been edited by Der_Teufel on September 10, 2001 at 07:19 AM
and i don't know if there's racing for it, but you think sliding upside down in an over-turned corolla for about 35 yards would qualify?
Initial D - D Selection
Initial D - D Selection 2
The Movie Of Super Eurobeat
The last one is the 3rd stage soundtrack. Yeah, my cousin loves ID too. He was really into his car, Eclipse GSX. It's great living in Okinawa. Almost every other car has at least a bodykit and an exhaust. I mostly see Silvias, AE86s, 300ZXs and Skylines. Skylines are a dime a dozen over there, however not all of them are the GT-R Vspecs. I've actually only seen 2 Vspecs in the month that I was there this summer.
I'm an autocrosser, and I drive a AWD car. While most AWD drifts aren't as pronounced as the ones from the site, it is possible to drift an AWD car, especially at divisional type courses, which are usually faster. My perfered method of driving is to aim at a cone and drift around it. Being stock (only 225 HP), I usually aim about 6 inches to the inside of the cone.
In my friend's car, a modded AWD eclipse, you can aim 3-4 feet inside a cone and drift around it. I guess that's what 350ish HP will do for you.
In my car, two good drifts come to mind. One was a gentle sweeper that I took at the rev-limiter in second (about 60-65 mph). Started on the inside and slowly slid to the outside of the turn while accelerating to the rev-limiter and across the finish.
The other one was like the ones from the driftworks site. I came out of a 90 degree right with a short straight to another 120 degree right. I have the rear tire pressures set about 12 psi below the fronts to get the back to come out in corners if I need it. On this run, I had them a little too low. The back came way out as I passed the apex of the first turn, and stayed out until I turned the front to go around the second turn. It was one of those scary / exilirating driving moments.
Anyone else have any good drift stories?
quote:werd. i bought those too. btw, did you take any pictures of cars while in okinawa? you should make a page or something... if not... take tons of pictures next time, i'm interested to see
Originally posted by Der_Teufel:
Forgot to mention that I also bought some of the Initial D OSTs. I bought:
Initial D - D Selection
Initial D - D Selection 2
@$$h0l3, if i had a car, i'd go out now and MAKE some stories to share but... sadly, i'm a poor bastard right now.. oh well. my time will come soon enough. quote:
Originally posted by Der_Teufel:
Initial D is awesome. I first saw it like 3 years ago. I finally got a copy of the 3rd Stage movie that was out over Christmas in Japan. I see tons of AE86s in Japan, as most of you probably know there is a HUGE cult following for this car. Seeing an electric blue Nissan Skyline GT-R VSpec II and Mitsu Lancer Evo VI is awesome. I guess it pays to have a father stationed in Okinawa. I bought a couple of Option and Best Motoring videos while I was there this summer. There is some crazy shit in those videos. There is a really cool video of a Toyota Altezza (Lexus IS300 in the US) drifting around a course at < www.taner.net/movies > There are also some Best of Motoring clips there too. If anyone wants an Option or Best Motoring video let me know, I'm gonna be going back to Okinawa to see my parents once Christmas break starts here at VT.
dude, hook me up with some videos
that's awesome, i wish i knew someone in japan.. i think i'd just walk around taking pictures of cars. i've seen those Option videos at Kinokuniya (japanese bookstore) in nyc, but they were quite expensive (due to importing and etc) i'm definitely going to visit Japan one day... oh and it's nice to find another Initial D fan out there, heh, the 3rd stage is the greatest movie ever..This message has been edited by veilside on September 10, 2001 at 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by veilside:
oh and it's nice to find another Initial D fan out there, heh, the 3rd stage is the greatest movie ever..
you're damn right it's the best movie ever, the mr2 race is my favorite.
edit: damn ubb
This message has been edited by chmod on September 10, 2001 at 12:49 PM
This message has been edited by Der_Teufel on September 13, 2001 at 08:39 PM